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Chicago Air & Water Show - Why No Airliners?  
User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2745 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

As the Blue Angels were buzzing my apartment today, I again thought:

Why doesn't Boeing or United include a commercial jet in the show? What a great PR opportunity with both of them being headquartered downtown (or soon to be). Wouldn't it be cool if United did a low speed, low altitude fly by of a Boeing 777 to celebrate their move downtown?

I am sure someone on A-Net has a contact in the PR department of either Boeing or United. Someone help me out here! We only have a day to get this worked out.

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9690 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

The military has a budget for stuff like this since it is recruitment. While it would be cool, airlines don't really do fly bys of airshows in the United States much.

As far as Boeing goes, they like to show of their planes at SeaFair in Seattle. They have tended to do flybys of new planes dating back to the prop eras and of course there is the famous Dash 80 jet barrel roll. Boeing may be based in Chicago, but many people still consider it a Seattle company. My favourite part of Seafair in Seattle ever was about ten or fifteen years ago a South African 747 did a flyby to celebrate their alliance with American Airlines who was lead sponsor that year.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

Quoting United787 (Thread starter):
Why doesn't Boeing or United include a commercial jet in the show?

Because airlines don't have free spare aircraft just lying around. Everything has an assigenment.....



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4493 times:

They don't need to take it out of service, they could just do a little detour on an afternoon flight, I am sure the pax won't mind. All I am asking for an extra 1/2 hour of flying time, no more delay than your average T-storm.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9690 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
They don't need to take it out of service, they could just do a little detour on an afternoon flight, I am sure the pax won't mind. All I am asking for an extra 1/2 hour of flying time, no more delay than your average T-storm.

Haha, that's funny that you even suggest that.

Overall though I don't think it is because they can't spare a plane. At ORD, UA could build in a short extra flight in the day, but it would be expensive, and that type of advertising probably doesn't have enough of a payout. Airlines do very targeted advertising now. They don't advertise anywhere near as much as they use to, except for certain airlines like Southwest which doesn't rely on the big travel agency websites to get customers, so it needs to show off and attract people to its own website.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4):
At ORD, UA could build in a short extra flight in the day, but it would be expensive

They could charge for it, like a scenic flight over downtown in a 777, just to piss off King Daley!


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3870 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

IIRC, there was a Midway Airlines MD-80 flyby flown by a company executive back in the 80s.


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4120 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

AA had a 772 fly by one year...the next year it was downgraded to an E145...that was the last time I went.

User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
Because airlines don't have free spare aircraft just lying around. Everything has an assigenment.....

true, plus they're not wild about the idea with all the skyscrapers close after the recent events in London, and, also, if you wanna see a 777 fly by...just take the 25 minute drive to ORD, lol.

-Ryan



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1773 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4416 times:
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I think once or twice Delta has done fly-by's in Atlanta for various events.

'course they don't have any planes in the air anymore with recognizable special paint schemes, a-la ship 102 ...

Back in the mid 90s, it was great, with the 2 or 3 Olympics paint schemes flying around - those were nice looking. Unfortunately when the games ended, so did the permission to use the logo, and so they were all repainted.

(why, then, does Union Pacific get away with having it's two Salt Lake 2002 locomotives still in their special paint scheme 5 years later?)

- litz


User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 848 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4406 times:
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CO usually parks a 737 at BKE for the Cleveland National Airshow but I do not recall any flybys in recent history.

I do recall a story where one of the Blue Angels pilots had a father who flew from CO in CLE. The son took his Dad up in a F18 and his Dad reciprocated by bringing his son in to the cockpit of a 737 as they tooled around northeast ohio. It was neat PR for Co & the Navy.



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5293 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Years ago, probably in the late 80s, the original Midway Airlines had one of its MD-80s do a few passes during the show.

User currently offlineMidway7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

Quoting Ckfred (Reply 11):
Years ago, probably in the late 80s, the original Midway Airlines had one of its MD-80s do a few passes during the show.

This was in 1989 and it was for the launch of the MD-87, of which the original ML was the first customer.

Pretty neat sight.

Midway 7


User currently offlineDL787932ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 597 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4318 times:



It's a hypocritical farce that Chicago even has an "Air & Water Show" anymore. Anyone involved with aviation should boycott that show and any other aviation events in Chicago, at least until the current dictator is deposed.



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User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 13):
It's a hypocritical farce that Chicago even has an "Air & Water Show" anymore. Anyone involved with aviation should boycott that show and any other aviation events in Chicago, at least until the current dictator is deposed.

agreed, 100%. what a shame Meigs is closed...



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User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Let me get this straight...C-150s and Piper Archers are a major threat to downtown "Chitcago" so Daley closes CGX. Yet the same hypocrite books a whole airshow filled with supersonic and aerobatic aircraft which fly just blocks from the same skyscrapers filled with thousands of people. Not to mention the near 1 million spectators at risk. Interesting.....

User currently offlineORDPIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4275 times:

Wow I was planning on asking the same question when I got home today looks like you beat me to it!

I would love it if Boeing or UA did a fly by but what about the other big star at this years air shows, the A380? Why is it that Airbus has left the US out of all there visits, I can understand that not many US carriers if any are buying it but it would still be a good bit of advertisement for there other a/c. And quite funny if they did it in Boeings home town.

or alternatively they could just have the south-east approach take a slightly lower altitude before taking the left turn into ORD!  Wink



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User currently offlineUnited767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 356 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

BAck before 9/11, I think in 1999, AA did a fly by with a 777 and made a few high passes, once with gear down and flaps extended.  bigthumbsup 


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User currently onlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 557 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4159 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 3):
They don't need to take it out of service, they could just do a little detour on an afternoon flight, I am sure the pax won't mind. All I am asking for an extra 1/2 hour of flying time, no more delay than your average T-storm.

I am never going to get anything done today, they are at it again.

I do believe there is a no-fly zone around downtown. Although im sure military jets are an exception, it would be difficult IMHO to get a commercial jet to fly so close to the skyscrapers. It could be too risky, may not sit well with people, and could be a bad PR move for any airline after 9/11. Sure, Boeing can show off their jets near Seattle, but in all honesty Seattle is not a Chicago (architecturally).


User currently offlineAirfinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 667 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4156 times:

Please see this thread for more info on a very large Boeing commercial jet & a very small Douglas commercial propliner possibly flying the Chicago Air Show with on Sunday:

AA DC-3 At ORD Today...anyone Know Why? (by AEroc Aug 18 2006 in Civil Aviation)



ORD,MDW,IND,ARB,AMS,AUS,ANQ,DTW,DEN,PHL,PIT,MIA,GPT,SAN,PHX,LAX,SFO,OAK,SEA,LAS,SLC,SMF,ATL,MEM,BOS,MHT,JFK,EWR,LGA,NASâ
User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4140 times:
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Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 18):
I do believe there is a no-fly zone around downtown. Although im sure military jets are an exception, it would be difficult IMHO to get a commercial jet to fly so close to the skyscrapers. It could be too risky, may not sit well with people, and could be a bad PR move for any airline after 9/11. Sure, Boeing can show off their jets near Seattle, but in all honesty Seattle is not a Chicago (architecturally).

The flights out of ORD have to fly around the area and I noticed some heavys on the south side flying east. Usually they do it those four days and I've seen some wonderful aircraft flying over SQ744F, Turkish A340, 747's and 777s from UA and other widebodies.



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4091 times:

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 13):
It's a hypocritical farce that Chicago even has an "Air & Water Show" anymore. Anyone involved with aviation should boycott that show and any other aviation events in Chicago, at least until the current dictator is deposed.



Quoting Ordryan28 (Reply 14):
agreed, 100%. what a shame Meigs is closed...

I agree too. Mayor Daley is on my "hate list" because of the stunt he pulled with Meigs Field.


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2745 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Quoting DL787932ER (Reply 13):
It's a hypocritical farce that Chicago even has an "Air & Water Show" anymore. Anyone involved with aviation should boycott that show and any other aviation events in Chicago, at least until the current dictator is deposed.

Despite what he did at Meigs, he has had a large part in O'Hare's expansion program and bringing United and Boeing HQ downtown. He has done some stupid things, but he also has done some incredible things.

Quoting ORDPIA (Reply 16):
Wow I was planning on asking the same question when I got home today looks like you beat me to it!

Brilliant minds think alike.

Quoting Airfinair (Reply 19):
Please see this thread for more info on a very large Boeing commercial jet & a very small Douglas commercial propliner possibly flying the Chicago Air Show with on Sunday:

Why not Saturday? I am not going to be watching Sunday.
 cry   banghead 


User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4001 times:

TW used to do flyby's every year during ST. Louis' 4th of July celebrations.. I think with the 717, 757, and an old type, to show the history of TWA, if I remember correctly?

Not to mention TW sponsered just about every event imagineable in St. Louis


User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3935 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 1):
The military has a budget for stuff like this since it is recruitment. While it would be cool, airlines don't really do fly bys of airshows in the United States much.

American Airlines usually does formation flying with a couple of its jets at the Fort Lauderdale Air and Water show. I believe I have seen a 777 flying with a 757 or 737, and I believe back when there still were 727s, they flew one with a T7 at Fort Lauderdale... I also believe they did a three ship formation, but I could be wrong

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 10):
CO usually parks a 737 at BKE for the Cleveland National Airshow but I do not recall any flybys in recent history.

Yeah, I been to four BKL shows since 2000 and never have I seen any airliners fly that show (except for a couple of classics like an old American Fokker Trimotor etc). There usually is a CO 737 parked there along with a Fed Ex or UPS jet, but otherwise no flybys.


25 Airfinair : So did you get to see your wish come true?
26 57AZ : I remember that at one of the CHA airshows, USAir went the extra mile with their display. They pulled a DC-9 from flight ops for a walkthrough static
27 PIA777 : During the Cubs game on WGN, I did see a DC-10 flying around but I think its a Tanker. PIA777
28 Ordryan28 : also saw that. Len : "Is that part of the air and water show or did that just take off from O'Hare?" cmon, Len, we don't see DC-10s at ORD anymore, l
29 NASCARAirforce : Does anybody have a report as to what was at the Chicago Air and Water show besides the Blue Angels? I wanted to go to it but couldn't make it.
30 Hoya : I went on Saturday, and just before 11am, an AA 763 made a couple passes. Right after it, an AA DC-3 made a pass. Regarding the DC-10, the Air Force's
31 Airfinair : In a nutshell: AA 763, DC-3, KC-10, KC-135, B1B, F-4, F-15, F-16, P-51 (flying in formation with the previous three aircraft, pretty cool,) F-18 (Blu
32 United787 : I missed the AA 763! I got out there at about 11:02 thanks to my whining nephew. I did see the KC-10 and the KC-135, the next best thing. The C-130 F
33 Post contains images Mt99 : A little self-gloss here - I was at the Aviation Store in ORD on Saturday afternoon and the pilots for the DC-3 and the 767 were in the store at the
34 Airfinair : You lucky dog! My jaw would have hit the floor! I was listening to them on my scanner on Sunday. Thought it was interesting that the 763 was referred
35 Pictues : Harmony did that at the firworks last year and 911 got quite a few calls thinking it was highjacked (flew low over vancouver bc)
36 Airfinair : Here's the reply from AA I just received about the air show (pretty fast reply - about 6 hours!) Nice PR, AA! Dear Mr. (Airfinair): We are very please
37 Post contains links United787 : I of course already did that with United. They promised they would do a bowling pin formation with the 747 in the front followed by a 777 and 767, fo
38 Airfinair : Was that before or after 9/11 / bankruptcy?
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