Airevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 844 posts, RR: 3 Posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8008 times:
I (flight attendant with LH) just got back from a flight to Tel Aviv today, which now does not have a crew layover due to the conflict with Hizbollah. Usually, the crew operating the nightly flight would get a 24 hour stop, which has now been stopped until further notice. I was wondering how your airlines handle it? I heard from Iberia that they fly Madrid-Athens, do a layover there and then continue Athens-Tel Aviv-Madrid. Would be interesting to hear.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 23466 posts, RR: 50 Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7949 times:
At least one major North American airline continues its TLV crew layovers uninterrupted. Actually the destination and its accommodations some of the more popular amongst crews which enjoy a 5 star hotel next to the beach.
The last time I am aware of any layover changes occurred were a couple years back when Israel was experiencing near daily suicide bombings. Otherwise all is ok.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
KWI From Kuwait, joined Apr 2000, 140 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7838 times:
BA, LH, KL, and up until they ended their services here (Kuwait), AF, all have overnight layovers in Kuwait. The days of having the crew overnight in Cyprus for flights to the Middle East was mainly during the 2003 war in Iraq.
Monkeyboi From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7824 times:
At BA we are continuing to do the normal TLV layover - 24 hours in TLV on both the daylight and night flights.
In the past when problems have flared up in the mid-east we have flown to TLV/saudi etc via LCA. Flt LHR/LCA - layover. LCA-TLV-LCA - layover. LCA - LHR. For whatever reason BA kept us in TLV this time though.
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 57 Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7592 times:
We have two daily trips to TLV with layovers. One being 24 hours and the other being 31 hours.
Great hotel, located across from the beach. Excellent location for all. Even with the fact of the situation in the north, it is still a desired trip. Very rarely a reserve who has been called out on any of the flights and goes somewhat senior.
PlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6498 posts, RR: 78 Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7182 times:
Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1): AFAIK most airlines don't do layovers in the ME. They instead fly crew to for example Cyprus and lay over there, or schedule flights to return home before their crews need mandatory rest.
What do you mean with "Middle East" and which airlines are you talking about?
WorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6556 times:
I wouldn't post crew hotel names on forums like this and I'm pretty sure the crews themselves would prefer you not. While it probably isn't too hard to figure out, any unnecessary information can be used in the wrong way.
I would suggest that information as to specific hotels, details as to general location, transfer arrangements and other related info as to any flight crews anywhere (including Israel) should not be posted here as it may put crews at risk of terrorists or criminals.
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 57 Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6543 times:
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 22): I wouldn't post crew hotel names on forums like this and I'm pretty sure the crews themselves would prefer you not. While it probably isn't too hard to figure out, any unnecessary information can be used in the wrong way.
I thought about that, but it is hard to keep it anonymous when you see a bus of crew outside the hotel (in any city, domestic or international). Also, in TLV, it is short of common knowledge where crews overnight.
Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 21): How senior are you? How senior do you have to be to get that trip?
I have 20 years and am just squeeking by at my seniority as an ISM to hold TLV. As a flight attendant, I can definitely fly to TLV, no problem. You are looking at 18-20 years minimum seniority to fly it. It is a three or four day trip worth about 22-23 hours of flight pay.
You can't cure stupid
25 MCOflyer: Cool, I'm glad that your able to hold TLV. How long does DL lay over? MCOflyer
26 EWRCabincrew: Probably the same as our 4 day. 29-31 hours or so.
27 ETStar: Ahhahahahah do you think that, if one were to commit a terrorist act that would possibly end his/her life (a la suicide bombers), he/she would get hi
28 UAFAN17: For the same reason current airline uniforms are destroyed in between the period of distribution of new ones.
29 VHXLR8: Here we go again! Yes, if one REALLY wanted to know where crew stay, they could find out. But it comes down to the simple fact that there is no NEED
30 Icaro: We are back to normal since friday. We fly again MAD-TLV 24hours and TLV-MAD.
31 Luv2fly: And this would matter to terrorist how and why?
32 RJpieces: Glad to know it is still profitable for CO...Hopefully their pre-war levels/profits will return (if they have not already)...
33 ETStar: Ever thought about keeping a certain company image, and not being misidentified? While this is not the only reason, it is high time that we stopped a
34 Flying Belgian: No night stop in TLV for SN's crew. It's a BRU-TLV-BRU, with TLV-BRU departing just before tha Ben Gurion's "curfew". I did a night-stop in TLV during
35 4xRuv: Actually it used to be LHR-LCA, and then LCA-TLV-LHR, no second layover in LCA... I've flown with BA several times with this "arrangement"
36 CRJ900: Why do European crews stay 24 hours in TLV when Europe-TLV is 4-5 hours of flying? I though it would be more cost effective to fly a round-trip Europe
37 ETStar: What are the curfew hours at TLV? I thought it was 24-hrs ops.
38 4xRuv: Actually, that's what LY does on it's european flights. The only exceptions are flight leaving friday late morning and returning Saturday evening due
39 RJpieces: Anybody else think AF's policy here is rather seriously screwed up??????
40 Monkeyboi: Not really. I don't think airlines make their decisions on how to rotate crew thru different cities due to political considerations. Airline security
41 BlueFlyer: Not being entirely familiar on the smaller details of crew rest, I wanted to know, if we assume that the situation in Israel gets to a point where CO
42 Ly001: all flights to tel aviv are back to normal exept klm which ther crew does a layover in larnaca and air france that there crew does a layover in paphos
43 4xRuv: I don't think they ever will. Hitting a foreign group doesn't serve any terrorist target, on the contrary, think what would happen if an Islamic terr
44 RJpieces: If what the user said above is true--that AF overnights crews in every city in the Middle East but TLV while every other European airline does--then
45 PanHAM: I've seen an AF crew in the Hotel I was straying in May this year. I am not saying which Hotel, but I doubt that anything on PFO is as comfortable. I
46 Ly001: AF do normally overnight crews in tlv. this time they began to overnight them in paphos when the conflict between israel and hizbulla started. in the
47 FlySSC: The hotel where the AF Crews are staying in PFO is actually a resort, and probably the best of all hotels on the medium haul network : The Interconti