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Tel Aviv Layover -how Does Your Airline Handle It?  
User currently offlineAirevents From Germany, joined Jan 2002, 894 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9387 times:

Hello,

I (flight attendant with LH) just got back from a flight to Tel Aviv today, which now does not have a crew layover due to the conflict with Hizbollah. Usually, the crew operating the nightly flight would get a 24 hour stop, which has now been stopped until further notice. I was wondering how your airlines handle it? I heard from Iberia that they fly Madrid-Athens, do a layover there and then continue Athens-Tel Aviv-Madrid. Would be interesting to hear.

Thanks and good night!


www.airevents.com
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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9358 times:

I don't own an airline...

AFAIK most airlines don't do layovers in the ME. They instead fly crew to for example Cyprus and lay over there, or schedule flights to return home before their crews need mandatory rest.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26140 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9328 times:

At least one major North American airline continues its TLV crew layovers uninterrupted. Actually the destination and its accommodations some of the more popular amongst crews which enjoy a 5 star hotel next to the beach.

The last time I am aware of any layover changes occurred were a couple years back when Israel was experiencing near daily suicide bombings. Otherwise all is ok.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineKWI From Kuwait, joined Apr 2000, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9217 times:

Jwentig,
BA, LH, KL, and up until they ended their services here (Kuwait), AF, all have overnight layovers in Kuwait. The days of having the crew overnight in Cyprus for flights to the Middle East was mainly during the 2003 war in Iraq.

KWI


User currently offlineMonkeyboi From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9203 times:

At BA we are continuing to do the normal TLV layover - 24 hours in TLV on both the daylight and night flights.

In the past when problems have flared up in the mid-east we have flown to TLV/saudi etc via LCA. Flt LHR/LCA - layover. LCA-TLV-LCA - layover. LCA - LHR. For whatever reason BA kept us in TLV this time though.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

Quoting KWI (Reply 3):
during the 2003 war in Iraq.

2003 war in Iraq?  rotfl  rotfl 
Too bad it still hasn't ended



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9145 times:

Air Canada crew does layover in Tel Aviv like several days.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9118 times:

All airlines do layovers in DOH-KWI-AUH-DXB-THR/IKA-MCT-AMM if it is warranted...some EU carriers though still dont do layovers in JED and RUH though!

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8971 times:

We have two daily trips to TLV with layovers. One being 24 hours and the other being 31 hours.

Great hotel, located across from the beach. Excellent location for all. Even with the fact of the situation in the north, it is still a desired trip. Very rarely a reserve who has been called out on any of the flights and goes somewhat senior.

Still my favorite destination, by far.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8605 times:

KLM sends it's crew to LCA for the lay-over until further notice.

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6938 posts, RR: 77
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8561 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
AFAIK most airlines don't do layovers in the ME. They instead fly crew to for example Cyprus and lay over there, or schedule flights to return home before their crews need mandatory rest.

What do you mean with "Middle East" and which airlines are you talking about?


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8522 times:

AF crew don't stay anymore overnight in TLV.
The evening flight is routed CDG-PFO-TLV-CDG with a crew change in Paphos.



Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
AFAIK most airlines don't do layovers in the ME

 scratchchin 

AF Crews have layover in DAM, AMM, CAI, RUH, DXB, THR, JED (soon) and of course BEY (to restart soon).


User currently offlineLXLucien From Switzerland, joined Mar 2005, 277 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8325 times:

Hi

LX re-scheduled her rotation to a turnaround in the morning hours instead of a crew Layover for like 24h or so.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 1):
AFAIK most airlines don't do layovers in the ME.

Of course they do...
the most european airlines do it...if you know one, please tell it to me  Smile



Quote "Syriana": "Beirut, it's like Paris in the Mid-East"
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8217 times:

During the current conflict/crisis, I believe as per advice from Corporate Security, there were a few occasions where the crew layed over in a destination other than TelAviv.

For obvious political reasons, I'm surprised that CO remained in TLV throughout. Don't know about DL.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
AF Crews have layover in DAM, AMM, CAI, RUH, DXB, THR, JED (soon) and of course BEY (to restart soon).

But not TLV???????


User currently offlineAAL0616 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 272 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8036 times:

So, Air France aircrew can layover anywhere in the region except TLV, and all these places are considered safe for them and not Israel. Interesting.

Appeasement has its rewards.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8019 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 13):
For obvious political reasons, I'm surprised that CO remained in TLV throughout. Don't know about DL.

CO will always layover in TLV. We have always flown, crisis or not, to TLV (since we started service there) and will continue to do so. Too much revenue not to fly there. $$$ talks.

Even with all the crap going on, crews still love it. Crews still bid it. Crews still go out and enjoy themselves.

I, for one, do.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8001 times:

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 16):
Even with all the crap going on, crews still love it. Crews still bid it. Crews still go out and enjoy themselves

Are the flights still going out full despite the events in Lebanon in the past month?


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7982 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17):
Are the flights still going out full despite the events in Lebanon in the past month?

at least 3/4s full



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1569 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7965 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 17):

Are the flights still going out full despite the events in Lebanon in the past month?

My friend flew on CO84 two days ago and said it was near 100% full.

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 8):

Great hotel, located across from the beach.

And what hotel does it happen to be?

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):

AF Crews have layover in DAM, AMM, CAI, RUH, DXB, THR, JED (soon) and of course BEY (to restart soon).



Quoting AAL0616 (Reply 15):
So, Air France aircrew can layover anywhere in the region except TLV, and all these places are considered safe for them and not Israel. Interesting.

Historical politics. Lets just say that France and Israel didn't get on well after 1967. And the Cherbourg incident.



The sky is the limit as long as you can stay there
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7954 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 19):
And what hotel does it happen to be?

Edited to read: a well known hotel with a reputation for being the best in TLV. Excellent location. Close to everything.

[Edited 2006-08-19 04:09:55]


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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7943 times:

EWRCabincrew,

How senior are you? How senior do you have to be to get that trip?

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7935 times:

I wouldn't post crew hotel names on forums like this and I'm pretty sure the crews themselves would prefer you not. While it probably isn't too hard to figure out, any unnecessary information can be used in the wrong way.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13197 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 19):
And what hotel does it happen to be?

I would suggest that information as to specific hotels, details as to general location, transfer arrangements and other related info as to any flight crews anywhere (including Israel) should not be posted here as it may put crews at risk of terrorists or criminals.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 22):
I wouldn't post crew hotel names on forums like this and I'm pretty sure the crews themselves would prefer you not. While it probably isn't too hard to figure out, any unnecessary information can be used in the wrong way.

I thought about that, but it is hard to keep it anonymous when you see a bus of crew outside the hotel (in any city, domestic or international). Also, in TLV, it is short of common knowledge where crews overnight.

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 21):
How senior are you? How senior do you have to be to get that trip?

I have 20 years and am just squeeking by at my seniority as an ISM to hold TLV. As a flight attendant, I can definitely fly to TLV, no problem. You are looking at 18-20 years minimum seniority to fly it. It is a three or four day trip worth about 22-23 hours of flight pay.



You can't cure stupid
25 MCOflyer : Cool, I'm glad that your able to hold TLV. How long does DL lay over? MCOflyer
26 EWRCabincrew : Probably the same as our 4 day. 29-31 hours or so.
27 ETStar : Ahhahahahah do you think that, if one were to commit a terrorist act that would possibly end his/her life (a la suicide bombers), he/she would get hi
28 UAFAN17 : For the same reason current airline uniforms are destroyed in between the period of distribution of new ones.
29 VHXLR8 : Here we go again! Yes, if one REALLY wanted to know where crew stay, they could find out. But it comes down to the simple fact that there is no NEED
30 Icaro : We are back to normal since friday. We fly again MAD-TLV 24hours and TLV-MAD.
31 Luv2fly : And this would matter to terrorist how and why?
32 RJpieces : Glad to know it is still profitable for CO...Hopefully their pre-war levels/profits will return (if they have not already)...
33 ETStar : Ever thought about keeping a certain company image, and not being misidentified? While this is not the only reason, it is high time that we stopped a
34 Flying Belgian : No night stop in TLV for SN's crew. It's a BRU-TLV-BRU, with TLV-BRU departing just before tha Ben Gurion's "curfew". I did a night-stop in TLV during
35 4xRuv : Actually it used to be LHR-LCA, and then LCA-TLV-LHR, no second layover in LCA... I've flown with BA several times with this "arrangement"
36 CRJ900 : Why do European crews stay 24 hours in TLV when Europe-TLV is 4-5 hours of flying? I though it would be more cost effective to fly a round-trip Europe
37 ETStar : What are the curfew hours at TLV? I thought it was 24-hrs ops.
38 4xRuv : Actually, that's what LY does on it's european flights. The only exceptions are flight leaving friday late morning and returning Saturday evening due
39 RJpieces : Anybody else think AF's policy here is rather seriously screwed up??????
40 Monkeyboi : Not really. I don't think airlines make their decisions on how to rotate crew thru different cities due to political considerations. Airline security
41 BlueFlyer : Not being entirely familiar on the smaller details of crew rest, I wanted to know, if we assume that the situation in Israel gets to a point where CO
42 Ly001 : all flights to tel aviv are back to normal exept klm which ther crew does a layover in larnaca and air france that there crew does a layover in paphos
43 4xRuv : I don't think they ever will. Hitting a foreign group doesn't serve any terrorist target, on the contrary, think what would happen if an Islamic terr
44 RJpieces : If what the user said above is true--that AF overnights crews in every city in the Middle East but TLV while every other European airline does--then
45 PanHAM : I've seen an AF crew in the Hotel I was straying in May this year. I am not saying which Hotel, but I doubt that anything on PFO is as comfortable. I
46 Ly001 : AF do normally overnight crews in tlv. this time they began to overnight them in paphos when the conflict between israel and hizbulla started. in the
47 FlySSC : The hotel where the AF Crews are staying in PFO is actually a resort, and probably the best of all hotels on the medium haul network : The Interconti
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