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Alaska Adds Another LAX-SFO  
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2984 times:

Alaska will be going double daily San Francisco-Los Angeles on the winter schedule. It has been loaded into Sabre, but I don't expect an announcement from the company. The Flight will be LAX-SFO-YVR and vice versa at night.

Northbound Morning:
Flight 583 LAX-700 823-SFO-915 1135-YVR

Southbound Evening:
Flight 688 YVR-550 812-SFO-852 1020-LAX

ASLAX


"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Out of curiosity how many RON's do you guys have at LAX? Is this yet another aircraft or some other flight get swapped around?

T-3 is certainly getting busy at times lately, especially with the bevy of QX activity.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2929 times:

Currently we have only 5 RON A/C on thIS schedule and I don't think we are planning more for the winter schedule. But we have worked with scheduling since we have jetways out of service all summer long. Looks again liek we will have 5 RON on the winter schedule. Not including the 2 red-eye flights that are here at midnight.

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2851 times:

what type of plane will this be, a 400 probably. anyway good for AS tie up that west coast, keep out F9, B6 and Virgin America

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

Yes, a -400

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offline28L28L From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2749 times:

When did AS start the first SFO-LAX flt? Was it this year?

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

28L28L Honestly, I do not know when, but can tell you it was before '98 when I started at SFO. Thats a good question for Hikes, he would probably know!

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

AS had 1 flight a day to/from LAX in the late 80s/early 90s.
The flight continued on to/came from ANC.
When LAX got their own non-stop to ANC, the SFO/LAX service
was discontinued.
When LAX ramped up their morning international bank, then a morning flight
was added (mid-90s?) so SFO pax could connect to more cities in Mexico
than AS served from SFO.
SFO is seeing some growth on the Mexican front now, but LAX continues
to be the primary hub for Mexico.
Hope this helps.



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User currently offlineGipper913 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 176 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 3):
what type of plane will this be, a 400 probably. anyway good for AS tie up that west coast, keep out F9, B6 and Virgin America

Good for AS -= but not so good for the AS pax. I cannot believe the fares for my monthy trip SNA-PDX - they are closing in on $400 in economy! That's just rape by another name. I hope and pray B6, F9, Virgin America or someone else comes out and competes for West Coast routes!



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9617 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

It is interesting to see Alaska increasing in this heavily crowded route. There are so many bay area-LA area flights, with most of them on Southwest from OAK or SJC. But I am guessing that these flights aren't really going after O/D traffic. I still find it weird that AS doesn't really fly from the Bay area to LA and Southwest doesn't from from Seattle to LA.


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Gipper: Unfortunatly for the everyday passenger,people pay that price on those tickets, so why should AS lower the price if they can get it? SNA passengers are a different bunch and they have money to boot. They pay! Can you honestly see Virgin,F9 or B6 flying SNA-PDX?

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

An interesting/odd addition to the AS schedule - in the past, I thought that AS purposely avoided the LAX-SFO route since there is so much competition and so much frequency, that it did not make any sense to have a limited presence in the market. The one flight that has been flown in recent times was either to allow through plane service between LAX and ANC (before nonstops) and/or to allow SFO pax to connect to Mexican services....which makes sense. I am not sure what the idea is behind this new flight, unless its just to keep the airplane busy.....send it to PSP where there is some money to be made?!

Speaking of the LAX-SFO competition, any updates on Frontiers entry into this market? I know that they extended their cheap fares (which doesnt sound very promising)......but is Frontier going to surprise many of us and make a success out of their LAX-SFO experiment??

[Edited 2006-08-19 01:31:28]

User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25198 posts, RR: 48
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 11):
Speaking of the LAX-SFO competition, any updates on Frontiers entry into this market? I know that they extended their cheap fares (which doesnt sound very promising)......but are is Frontier going to surprise many of us and make a success out of their LAX-SFO experiment??

F9 seems to hanging in there. The $59 fare however is available open ended for booking well into 2007. Once the summer crowds end in a few weeks and the suits and tie crowd start dominating the corridors flying will be interesting to see how F9 does.

As far as Alaska, I think the carrier does not have a interest in the LAX-SFO route (even tough they could probably have a pretty good shot at it). The 2nd flight or even a future 3rd flight is unlikely to arouse much interest from United.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Dutchjet: Alaska doesn't have much interest in this market. The evening flight will help feed the red-eye flights to GDL and MEX. But I find it interesting that they did not time the morning flight as to allow the passenger inbound from GDL to connect to San Francisco. MEX pax will still be able to connect to SFO in the evenings.

Laxintl/Dutch: Rumor around T-3 is that loads are not very good for F9. I'd like them to make it, but I am biased, more options to fly home.

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25173 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2250 times:
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Quoting AS739X (Reply 13):
Laxintl/Dutch: Rumor around T-3 is that loads are not very good for F9. I'd like them to make it, but I am biased, more options to fly home.

This was discussed by Frontier at the last conference call, when LAX-SFO had been operating for about a month.

There have been some low loads, but they have also been building to a 90% load factor on some flights, mainly week-ends and evenings.

The lower loads have mostly been in the early morning. There were rumors they might drop one of the morning flights, but I don't think that has happened.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2779 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Is this to compete with F9's $49 one way LAX-SFO SFO-LAX?

-Matt  Smile



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
F9 seems to hanging in there



Quoting AS739X (Reply 13):
Rumor around T-3 is that loads are not very good for F9.



Quoting Mariner (Reply 14):
There have been some low loads, but they have also been building to a 90% load factor on some flights, mainly week-ends and evenings.

The news sounds mixed at this point, which is understandable.....maybe Frontier will find a niche with leisure oriented travellers, but do the $59 fares make sense in the long run? I guess the jury is still out on this one.

Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 15):
Is this to compete with F9's $49 one way LAX-SFO SFO-LAX?

Unlikely, as pointed out by by AS739X.......

Quoting AS739X (Reply 13):
Dutchjet: Alaska doesn't have much interest in this market

AS seems to be running the flights mainly to allow SFO passengers to connect to Mexican services out of LAX to destinations which are not available from SFO. With 2 flights per day, AS is not a player in the LAX-SFO market.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25173 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2229 times:
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Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
The news sounds mixed at this point, which is understandable.....maybe Frontier will find a niche with leisure oriented travellers, but do the $59 fares make sense in the long run? I guess the jury is still out on this one.

This is a thread about Alaska, so I have no wish to hijack it, but you have raised the issue, so I would guess - stress "guess" - that if Frontier is ever to have presence on the west coast, this is a route they have to have.

If the tentative award of LAX-SJD is confirmed, I believe it will be routed SFO-LAX-SJD, and I assume that there may be other additions to other markets from either LAX or SFO.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5504 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting Gipper913 (Reply 8):
Good for AS -= but not so good for the AS pax. I cannot believe the fares for my monthy trip SNA-PDX - they are closing in on $400 in economy! That's just rape by another name. I hope and pray B6, F9, Virgin America or someone else comes out and competes for West Coast routes!

I know what you mean about airfares - I almost paid $300 a pop for our family of four to fly SEA-OAK in November, though a last minute fare sale dropped it about $50 a person. I think WN opening up those dates made the difference.

However, I don't think you can blame AS for being so dominant as to kill any competition. You could easily find airfares for UA, WN, and DL in addition to AS in this corridor. Even HP/US offer SNA-LAS-PDX or SNA-PHX-LAS.

Of course, if it's nonstop that you are needing, then you might have to pay the premium for that.

-Dave



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