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UA Expansion In Asia  
User currently offlineSeaIFR From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9651 times:

First time post here on a.net, so i'll try and make it a good one. Recently read that UA is adding 40 new flights to Asia in 2007. I'm curious as to which destinations they're adding or supplementing service to. I've also read that UA's widebodies are highly utilized as is so how are they achieving this with the fleet as is? All responses are apppreciated thanks.

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User currently offlineUnitedNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9640 times:

United is adding service from SFO to HKG with B777 equipment, also SFO-TPE with B744 frames. United Airlines is also making SFO-ICN year round, as it once was. Sorry to say, no NRT expansion...


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5999 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9579 times:

In addition is the IAD-PEK application. Not that its a lock, but IMHO it has a good chance being capital to capital service. I'd love to see UA continue with more SFO-Asia expansion.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineUnitedNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9564 times:

United needs more frames to continue any such expansion. We, the Asian station mgrs have lots of plans for Asia, but the lack of frames causes the picky-choosy.


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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5999 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9542 times:

UANrt: No doubt! I know you guys don't have enough frames. But its always nice to see SFO additions.

ASLAX



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9507 times:

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 3):
United needs more frames to continue any such expansion. We, the Asian station mgrs have lots of plans for Asia, but the lack of frames causes the picky-choosy.

Care to share?

I can only image the miriad of routes possibilities for UA. Their Asian strategy is better than NW's. I think it is mainly because they have 777s which can be used on thinner routes that a 744 is overkill. Once NW has their 787s, it will be a good battle between these two legacies in Asia.

If anything I would think that UA would at some point consider SFO-SGN non-stop and if it were a perfect world start SFO-MSP to catch the large Hmong, Laotian and Vietnamese population there.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5999 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9488 times:

Centrair: I think UA has been looking at non-stop SGN. Wasn't the SFO-SGN via HKG started till UA could get authority for non-stop?

ASLAX



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User currently offlineUnitedNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9476 times:

SFO-SGN nonstop is too much for the B744 frames to handle with a decent load. Hell, i wish they did it.


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9467 times:

Surely we will see a west coast service (SFO) to India at some stage as well??!!

User currently offlineUnitedNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9457 times:

SFO-India is a push too for the B744. That means any expansion is through, no don't say it, NARITA! or those losers in HKG..

In all seriousness, SFO to India is too much length for a decent payload.



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User currently offlineUA933 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9286 times:

And the shifted flight from JFK - NRT which now ist IAD - NRT.
But I guess that doesn't really count since it is not an expansion.



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User currently offlineUA933 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9286 times:

And the shifted flight from JFK - NRT which now is IAD - NRT.
But I guess that doesn't really count since it is not an expansion.

When is UA allowed to order an take delivery of new A/C since their long haul fleet is near full utilisation?

[Edited 2006-08-18 14:36:25]


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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9260 times:

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 3):
We, the Asian station mgrs have lots of plans for Asia, but the lack of frames causes the picky-choosy.

Any plans to connect India from the NRT hub? As already mentioned, non-stop SFO-India is a stretch, hence it would have to be through either NRT/HKG.



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9208 times:

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 3):
United needs more frames to continue any such expansion. We, the Asian station mgrs have lots of plans for Asia, but the lack of frames causes the picky-choosy.



Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 3):
No doubt! I know you guys don't have enough frames. But its always nice to see SFO additions.

Doesn't UA have some 744's and T7's sitting somewhere in the desert?? I believe I''ve seen some pics in the database but can't find them since I don't know what airport.

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 9):
SFO-India is a push too for the B744. That means any expansion is through, no don't say it, NARITA! or those losers in HKG..

That's where the 772LR comes in handy. I heard IA will try that route non-stop with an LR.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29689 posts, RR: 84
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9167 times:
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Quoting TinkerBelle (Reply 13):
Doesn't UA have some 744's and T7's sitting somewhere in the desert?? I believe I''ve seen some pics in the database but can't find them since I don't know what airport.

All of UA's returned 772s went to other airlines. UA does have a number of 744s in storage, but they all need their heavy maintenance ("D" checks) and that is very expensive in both money and time so UA needs to be sure that they really are needed before they invest in restoring them since even with "wage normalization" with the 777, the 747 still has a higher operating cost and break-even load point.


User currently offlineCX777Fan From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 291 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9099 times:

Any UA expansion is good news for leasure pax in Asia as they are effectively operation as a LCC (in terms of price and service) between major Asian airports such as NRT-HGK, NRT-BKK, NRT -SIN etc. Return Y fares are available for as little as USD200 for these routes in Japan.

User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9053 times:

Would sure love to see UA returning their non-stop LAX-MEL service, sometime!

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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 7951 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9006 times:

CX,

Those Y fares are hard to come by these days. UA simply isn't giving away Y seats to local travel agencies like they used to. I'd say of late it has been JAL with the seat dumping more than anyone else.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29689 posts, RR: 84
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8736 times:
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Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 16):
Would sure love to see UA returning their non-stop LAX-MEL service, sometime!

I tend to think this will not happen since UA's 744s are inferior in performance to QF's 744ERs and QF has issues with maximum payload on this route using those birds.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8663 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 5):
If anything I would think that UA would at some point consider SFO-SGN non-stop and if it were a perfect world start SFO-MSP to catch the large Hmong, Laotian and Vietnamese population there.

Is there approval for US-Vietnam nonstop? I thought the authority given is only for one stop via HKG. I never knew that the twin cities had a large vietnamese population. I always thought they were mostly northern Europeans.

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 16):
Would sure love to see UA returning their non-stop LAX-MEL service, sometime!

UA could operate the route, but it would be weight restricted. UA does face weight restrictions on LAX-SYD when it has to list MEL as an alternate due to weather.



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User currently offlineHistoric747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8433 times:

Quoting UnitedNRT (Reply 9):
In all seriousness, SFO to India is too much length for a decent payload.

They could use a 777 out of ORD. Not too sure why India is not a part of United's strategy.


User currently offlineForeverUnited From United States of America, joined May 2006, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8264 times:

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 20):
Not too sure why India is not a part of United's strategy.

Too busy devoting resources to Kuwait =P


User currently offlinePNQIAD From India, joined May 2006, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8182 times:

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 20):
Not too sure why India is not a part of United's strategy.

I almost think that a 1-stop to BOM/DEL as an extension of their KWI service might actually be workable (assuming they have 5th freedom out of KWI). There is quite a bit of traffic between India and Middle east.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8100 times:

Quoting Historic747 (Reply 20):
They could use a 777 out of ORD. Not too sure why India is not a part of United's strategy.

Especially since their call centers are there! I agree, tho, it's a booming market.


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User currently offlineHistoric747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8060 times:

Quoting ForeverUnited (Reply 21):
Too busy devoting resources to Kuwait =P

I guess. Strange an American carrier wanting to fly 3X to KWI as against 7X to any of the bigger cities in India. LOL....it would be great if UA is going to get some benefit from oil companies out of this.

Personally I think UA is afraid of competiton with every other American long haul carrier flying into India and several European carriers doubling their flights into the region. Why would anybody choose UA over LH or BA if they decided to operate out of the East cost and over SQ or CX if they operated out of West coast. The only best bet for them is to operate non-stops but again they lost the first mover advantage to AA, CO and DAL.

[Edited 2006-08-18 20:50:37]

25 RoseFlyer : Yes I would have expected Continental to be the one to fly to KWI. There is so much money in Kuwait that the government pays the citizens and gives t
26 UnitedNRT : United's B777 would have a very miserable payload though.
27 CHIFLYGUY : Maybe UA wants to deploy its planes where it thinks it can make the most money. Flying a route such as ORD-DEL in competition with AA might just kill
28 SJUSXM : since UA is now out of bankruptcy they can order planes whenever they want too. Of course the order backlog of both Airbus & Boeing is quite large ri
29 777fan : Not necessarily. The goal of exiting BKK is to avoid piling up debt...again. UA would be best served saving some cash on hand in anticipation of risi
30 Post contains images Historic747 : Not true. They need cash. Either equity capital (which they do not have enough of) or they need debt capital (which they have too much of).
31 Historic747 : Are yields on that route really so high? If they were I am sure LH, BA and all other mainline European carriers would be serving them 7X by now consi
32 Stitch : They could be seeing nice government traffic IAD-KWI (which then connect onto Iraq, DOH and other Middle Eastern destinations). Also, I know UA did a
33 Centrair : This is a side note. After the Vietnam war, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, the Luthern organizations in the Twin Cities sponsored many Vietnamese
34 Halls120 : I think they are going to make a lot of money on this route. There is a considerable amount of USG travel to the middle east and Afghanistan from IAD
35 ForeverUnited : I'd be surprised. It's been my experience that MNL doesn't bring the greatest yields.
36 Ualcsr : How about other cities like KUL, PUS and CGK? Would UA ever consider those routes either from SFO or through HKG? Probably a really wild idea, but how
37 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I like the fact whimpy AA has basically given up on its SJC-international flights.....too bad AA didn't decide to go out of SFO....NoCal is huge, and
38 Post contains links MalpensaSFO : There is no need for UAL to operate a SFO-MSP service as the Calfornia market generates over 70% of United Airlines West Coast - Asia market. In addi
39 FA4UA : OK, I hate to rain on the parade, but 40 new routes to Asia? Where is the source of this info? Additionally, we'd have to buy more aircraft to pull of
40 MalpensaSFO : Hasnt it been discussed before. With the elimination for JFK-NRT/JFK-LHR equipment is now being freed up for a new IAD-KWI/IAD-NRT service in additio
41 Post contains links AS739X : FA4UA: Chicago Tribune is the source. http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=21517 You misread. 40 new flights, not routes!~ ASLAX[Edited 2006-
42 BigGSFO : Interesting concept. We'd probably see AS in VVO (Vladivostok) before UA. Is there much oil business yet to be developed in the Russian Far East? I w
43 Post contains links Christao17 : Not to get too far off topic, but I suspect Centrair was referring specifically to the Hmong and Laotian populations, which are very significant in t
44 Legacyins : "United’s reinstatement of its service between San Francisco and Taipei, which will be on a Boeing 747, begins on April 1, 2007, and includes the f
45 Aaron747 : The only way it would be a 744 is if UAL free's up a NRT or NGO slot. Not sure I understand your reasoning here as there are no 744 turns through NGO.
46 ZK-NBT : It seems HKG is getting more flights again! Before 9/11 they had non stops to LAX and JFK, though JFK didn't last long. I'm surprised they havn't resu
47 Uadc8contrail : ZK-NBT, isnt NZ basically paying off UA to not fly to AKL???or at least shared revenue on the USA-NZ routes???....i could have sworn there was a thre
48 ZK-NBT : I don't think NZ are paying UA anything, UA do have some seats on NZ's flights though and get the revenue off that.
49 Ramprat74 : I mentioned in another thread about the HNL-KIX maybe being on the chopping block. If UA does decide to chop this route, that will free up another 777
50 MalpensaSFO : Ground time that is 19 hours? Isnt that a waste of equipment?
51 JoFMO : UA took over this route some year ago from ANA. The 777 was standing in KIX for over 20h anyway. So they come to this agreement with ANA. Most of the
52 CX777Fan : That sucks for NH pax expecting IFE, service with a smile, Japanese speaking crew etc...
53 MalpensaSFO : It may not be a waste of equipment afterall. Just got off the phone with an UA F/A based in SFO she said that a TPE-MNL service has been talked about
54 JoFMO : Don't they have Japanese speaking crews on all their flights to Japan? It is standard for European carriers to have Japanes, Chinese, Korean speaking
55 Post contains images Stitch : They have a few FAs that are fluent in Japanese on all their Japan flights. The 777's do have a "Japanese Favorites" audio channel (21). And they sho
56 UAL777UK : Well said, you got there before i did!
57 Simes : A general question in relation to new plane vs D check Which is cheaper? Which is quicker? I can understand them wanting to only do the D check if the
58 Stitch : A D-check will be significantly cheaper then a new plane, as well as taking only a few months to complete.
59 Post contains links Ualcsr : I initially thought of AS as well, but looking at Google Earth, VVO is in the extreme south of Russia's east coast and don't know if any AS aircraft
60 Simes : That's what I thought, if they were serious about expanding, would they not bring some 400's or whatever else they have in the desert into active ser
61 Hiflyer : There is some speculation that UAL may be interested in the 4 777 frames that were UAL lease turnbacks during their Chapt 11 and leased to RG and now
62 B6SEA : This is an interesting concept indeed. I think it could definately pay off if done correctly(by UA or AS). I know that AS did make money from their S
63 Chugach : I'd love to see AS back in Russia, but the AS insiders on this board have said repeatedly that AS isn't going to go back. Evidently it was too much o
64 Centrair : There are markets that are very underserved in North East Asia. Vladivostok, Novosibirsk, Ulaanbaatar, and a host of cities in China that will be open
65 Centrair : Kind of interesting to think about: ANC-VVO 2860nm ANC-HRB 2929nm ANC-ULN 3305nm ANC-OVB 3412nm For UA...actually OVB is located almost directly in b
66 NorthstarBoy : i wonder if this might be because the Indian Government left a very bad taste in United's mouth. I seem to recall in the 90s, when United did serve D
67 Nimish : I realize you're speculating here, but hope this is not even remotely true! The Indian aviation market has changed significantly in the lsat couple o
68 Snehnath : Umm..I recall flying UA DEL-HKG-LAX and I distinctly reall it was a 744. And I also recall that the flight was packed to its gills.
69 Mymiles2go : How many slots do they have? Or perhaps more importantly, how many unused slots do the have (if any)?
70 UAL777UK : Your right, prior to the flight being dropped, they were using the 747, I like yourself doing the LHR-DEL-HKG-LAX sectors all on a 747. If memory ser
71 Post contains links Centrair : UnitedNRT said here that United has 224 permanent slots. [Edited 2006-08-21 13:31:19][Edited 2006-08-21 13:32:41]
72 JoFMO : And how many do they currently use? Are all of these 224 slots for long range from the longer runway or does UA also use short range slots for the As
73 Bobnwa : That is a wonderful source. Did she of any other inside info?
74 UnitedNRT : The 224 slots were put into effect before the shorter runway was completed, but yes, United could use the slots for routes say NRT-NGO.
75 Mymiles2go : How many of those 224 are currently used today?
76 Post contains images AirCanada014 : It's nice to see our Star Alliance partner UA expanding in Asia. I hope they do well with the expansion. Would be interesting to see AC leasing some a
77 Vega : It's interesting how UA shows some of their ORD-PHL flights on the PHL airport displays. The 757s that have the same flight #s as the Asia ORD flights
78 AirCanada014 : You know what I like to see if UA and AC combined their North American flights on codeshare basis to ASIA and Pacific routes since now those two are t
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