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Iran Air And The 747-100  
User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8383 times:

Hi there,

I just had a thought about IR and their 741's. I shot one at LHR a few weeks ago and I was curious as to when they would probably stop flying them? They must be getting quite old now!!


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Someone actually commented this photo too, and it kinda led me to this question for people in "the know".

Looking forward to any comments on this one.

Regards,
Justin  Smile

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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12475 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8348 times:

Iran Air has four 747s, one remaining -SP (out of four), one -100B and two -200 Combis, the newest aircraft are 1979 veterans, the others, 1976. How long will they operate them, well - as long as they have to. There are sanctions in place and unfortunately, IR is a victim of these, so it'll just have to continue to operate them as long as it can.

The continuing stand-off over nuclear power is working against them; ironically, the EU offer to the Iranians included a number of incentives, including new commercial aircraft (the US was also willing to allow parts to be acquired for these Boeings); however, with Iran's part in supplying the Hezzies, I'm not sure if that still stands. The Iranians have until the end of the month, but Pres. Ahmedinejad's most recent comments don't give much hope for compromise.


User currently offlineAirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8299 times:

Anybody knows all the routes of IR 747-100 in the past? and year or decade of service?

I have a HOMA (Iran Air in-flight magazine) circa1978 and it says inside that IR inaugurated a 747 THR-Shiraz-Rome route that year-----anybody knows if it was a 741 or 747SP? I miss those glory years of IR during the Shah Reza Pahlavi regime when IR 747SP was a regular at JFK via LHR or CDG.

Thanks for the info.


User currently offline747hogg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8261 times:

I saw Iran's 747 in japan at NRT some years ago. About the same saw the big green Iraqi 747 over by the UAL stand. 20 or more years at least

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8248 times:

Nice looking photo. How was the spotting out there that day mate?  Wink


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User currently offlineSimes From Australia, joined May 2005, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8239 times:

Would sanctions apply if IR were to lease newer a/c that weren't registered in Iran?

User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8214 times:

For the moment you can see the 747 (200 / 100 / SP ) in the following places:
London Heathrow / Manchester
Paris Orly / Geneva
Cologne / Hamburg / Frankfurt / Vienna
Copenhagen / Gothenburg / Stockholm
Damascus
Larnaca
Jeddah
Dubai
Karachi
Mumbai
Kuala Lumpur
Beijing
Tokyo

Note that equipment changes are frequent and many time Airbus A300 show up instead. Other international destinations usually are served by airbus A300 or A310 but again always a possibility that sometimes the 747 shows up.

Sorry if a missed a few, this is all from my memory!


User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8145 times:

Thanks for all the input so far. I can't believe some of their fleet has been flying around for 30 years! Those pups are older than me!!

I've actually flown on EP-IAB their only remaining 747-SP!  Smile

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 4):
Nice looking photo. How was the spotting out there that day mate?

It was awesome, I met with random guy there. Had a pint and some lunch together! You shoulda been there!  Wink

Cheers,
Justin Big grin


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

Indeed a very unique photo nowadays. Congrats Justin! How many airlines are still using the 747-100 on international routes? I can only think of Iran Air....?

A388


User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8082 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Indeed a very unique photo nowadays. Congrats Justin! How many airlines are still using the 747-100 on international routes? I can only think of Iran Air....?

Thanks!! Big grin

I think JAL use them, Thai Orient as passenger aircraft. For freight Kalitta Air, and Evergreen International Cargo. Not many, if any, others thought?!

Cheers,
Justin  Smile


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8059 times:

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 7):
I've actually flown on EP-IAB their only remaining 747-SP!

When and on what route Justin ?

-Zaki


User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8055 times:

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 10):
When and on what route Justin ?

CGN-CGN, a pleasure flight arranged by: http://www.airevents.de.

Cheers,
Justin Big grin


User currently offlineBoogyJay From France, joined May 2005, 490 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8037 times:

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 7):
I've actually flown on EP-IAB their only remaining 747-SP!

 no 

EP-IAD is the only -SP flying today.

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EP-IAB has been grounded since some time now (probably late 2004 or early 2005) but will be back into service soon, after EGPWS installation (mandatory since March 2005).

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To stay on topic, I think IR has no really choice but to keep their current fleet flying. They can't get anything else due to the embargo. So they try to keep the aircraft in a "as-best-as-possible" condition with what they have, i.e. other grounded aircraft parts, homemade modifications and probably parts from illegal markets. Money is probably not the problem.


User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8020 times:

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 12):
EP-IAD is the only -SP flying today.

Oh crap, really! Oops my bad! Thanks for the correction!  Smile

I hope IR stay in the sky anyway!!

Justin Big grin


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8007 times:

Is that not a 742 in the pic?


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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 14):
Is that not a 742 in the pic?

Nope, the top pic by jkw777 is a 741 and the 2 pics by Boogyjay are 747SP


-Zaki


User currently offlineB727fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

back in the good old days of pre-revolutionary Iran, my folks took a tour and apparently I have made a historic flight on IR! According to my dad, that was the last IR flight to US, THR-LHR-JFK (most probably 747SP)!! I vividly remember, the crew showed us the cockpit, and as a child, I was totally mesmerized by all the lights and gauges surrounding me! WOW!

My good friends who visit IR tell me that there are alot of Russian aircrafts are in service (mainly domestically). I wonder if due to the sanctions, IR will turn to Russia and renew its fleet with TU's and IL's paying in Euros and not Dollars!


User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2388 posts, RR: 28
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7927 times:

Well, what they, Mahan Air and others have started doing extensively now is just wet-leasing aircraft in to get around the embargo. Iran Air currently uses an A300B4-200 wet-leased form Onur Air. Mahan Air uses Armenian, Bulgarian, Egyptian, French and Turkish registered aircraft wet-leased from various carriers. Kish, Qeshm and Safiran are or have been doing the same.


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7903 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 14):
Is that not a 742 in the pic?

Good observation though, it is indeed a 741 but its a 747-100B, meaning that it has a lot more in common with the 747-200 than did the venerable 747-100 proper.



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6104 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7890 times:
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Slightly off the subject, but still an Iranian 747-100 question. Does anyone know what the fate of TWA 747-131 N93101 was? It was sold to the Iranian Air Force in 1975
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User currently offlineOrdryan28 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 988 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7855 times:

this is a great thread to discuss. same thing with NW's DC-9s. they will use them (or have) until as long as they need them. if the maintenance on the aircraft is kept up, it's almost as good as new. I still don't think IR will be flying these aircraft more than a year....?

-Ryan



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12148 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 19):
Slightly off the subject, but still an Iranian 747-100 question. Does anyone know what the fate of TWA 747-131 N93101 was? It was sold to the Iranian Air Force in 1975

The IIAF actually bought 12 B-747-100s. IIRC 8 of these were former airliners and 4 were new builds. They were converted into KC-747s. The IIAF lost one in a thunderstorm near Spain, IIRC. Only 1, however is still flying today.


User currently offlineRAFVC10 From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1980 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7765 times:
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Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 12):
EP-IAD is the only -SP flying today.

Syrian Arab Airlines is flying the SP to LHR from DAM frequently.

Quoting Jkw777 (Thread starter):
I just had a thought about IR and their 741's. I shot one at LHR a few weeks ago and I was curious as to when they would probably stop flying them? They must be getting quite old now!!

When United States eliminate the ban over US products. Maybe, Iran will follow the steps of Zimbabwe, Syria and Cuba buying IL-96-400's, TU-204's and remembering that AN-140 equipment is in production in the Middle East country.

Quoting A388 (Reply 8):
Indeed a very unique photo nowadays. Congrats Justin! How many airlines are still using the 747-100 on international routes?



Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 9):
I think JAL use them, Thai Orient as passenger aircraft. For freight Kalitta Air, and Evergreen International Cargo. Not many, if any, others thought?!

Saudia is operating this aircraft in domestic routes.



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User currently offlineCX777Fan From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 296 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

I almost went to Iran for a holiday last year before moving from Tokyo back to Australia. From Tokyo it was a big toss up whether to book IR for the chance of a flight on the 747SP that was visiting regularly or flying Aeroflot for my first ride on a TU-154 - from Moscow to Tehran. Alas, the holiday plans didn't get off the ground due to limited finances thanks to moving to Sydney

I still desperately hope to get to Iran to experience the famous Persain warmth and hospitality and to fly some beatiful IR metal. Some very well travelled friends spent a month in Iran last year and said it was the best country by far they had ever visited. The majority of middle class, well educated citizens live their day to day lives in spite of the lunatic government and wish more enlightened travellers could share their nation's beauty, history, Muslim arcitecture and rich culture.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5579 times:

Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 6):
Karachi
Mumbai
Kuala Lumpur
Beijing
Tokyo

Currently according to schedules in East Asia the SP is doing Mumbai, Beijing, Tokyo and Seoul, 741/2 in Kuala Lumpur which also got SP previously, Karachi is with A310 since a long time.

SP was also used to Dhaka in the past which has been dropped.

[Edited 2006-08-21 20:55:30]

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