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Whats Up With DL Fl# 34 ATL To JNB?  
User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9534 times:

I am planning a flight to JNB via DL for December and want to fly biz elite. Now, I know seat mappers aren't entirely accurate, but in checking out seat availability for around december 15th, there are no biz class seats available as well as no coach seats available. Is this flight doing that well already? Again, I know that seat mappers arent the tell all of availability but I've never seen anything like this. I used the following web site to check.

http://www.benedelman.org/travel/dls...=prg&classP=J&Submit=View+Seat+Map

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User currently offlineAh414211 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9510 times:

Flight 34 on the 15th of December is sold out in Business Elite. There are several seats available in coach though.
Business Elite is also nearly sold out on the 16th, but there are many seats available on the 17th.

I hope that helps.........


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3266 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9463 times:

Looks like DL34 is operated by a 763. Where do they plan on stopping?


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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9431 times:

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 2):
Looks like DL34 is operated by a 763. Where do they plan on stopping?

Same place they were always gonna stop - even when it was supposed to be a 777: Dakar, Senegal.


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2300 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9417 times:

I thought at first they were going to use a 777 on their ATL-DKR-JNB route? I guess the up coming JFK-BOM needs the aircraft.


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User currently offlineMisbeehavin From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 914 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9400 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 4):
I thought at first they were going to use a 777 on their ATL-DKR-JNB route? I guess the up coming JFK-BOM needs the aircraft.

Yep. TLV & BOM get the 777. DKR, JNB and ACC get the ol' 763s. And JFK-LGW will also be 763, I think.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 9230 times:
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Quoting Jumbojet (Thread starter):
I am planning a flight to JNB via DL for December and want to fly biz elite. Now, I know seat mappers aren't entirely accurate, but in checking out seat availability for around december 15th, there are no biz class seats available as well as no coach seats available. Is this flight doing that well already?

Well, a few reasons:
- Dec 15/16 weekend is the start of the heavy Christmas holiday travel season
- When a new route opens up, there are quite a few Mileage Award seats available; many of those snapped up in the earlier stages of the announcement were Business Award/upgrade seats
- DL switched from the 777 to the 763ER resulting in a pretty significant reduction in BE seat availability (from 52 to 35 per flight). Combined with the award seats situation described above, it shouldn't be a surprise that the Business cabin is already fully booked on peak travel days


User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1311 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9048 times:

When DL re-configures some of the B764ER fleet into "international configuration" with the BizElite cabin, could we see the possibility of a switch from the 763ER to the 764ER? I would think the premium cabin will hopefully be larger than 35 J class on the 763 and I would think that it could carry a little more cargo to/from Africa. Just my thoughts.


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User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8982 times:

An upgrade could happen, but it would of course depend on how the route performs. Once the network folks believe the route has "earned" an equipment upgrade, it would also depend on how many 764s DL ultimately converts for international service. If they only configure enough airframes to backfill lost 777 capacity in Europe, it would be unlikely. My guess is DL34/35 will most likely retain 763ER equipment until it goes nonstop sometime in 2008.

[Edited 2006-08-20 19:52:56]


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User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 6):
Well, a few reasons:
- Dec 15/16 weekend is the start of the heavy Christmas holiday travel season
- When a new route opens up, there are quite a few Mileage Award seats available; many of those snapped up in the earlier stages of the announcement were Business Award/upgrade seats

Anyway, glad to see ATL - JNB doing so well already.


User currently offlineB777ER From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 548 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8471 times:

Quoting Misbeehavin (Reply 5):
Yep. TLV & BOM get the 777. DKR, JNB and ACC get the ol' 763s. And JFK-LGW will also be 763, I think

Good God, the travelers from South Africa that fly to ATL go from a spacious SA A346 to a old wore out cramped 763 on DL. Unreal. That is a heck of a long flight to be in Y class on that aircraft. I have said it before, DL wants to be a premium international airline, then get some better aircraft for these premier routes. Its getting to be a real joke how they are expanding all over Europe, Middle East, India and now Africa with just 8 777's. No wonder airlines like BA get the high paying premier business travelers. I for one would fly SA into IAD long before choosing DL's product on the 763. DL needs to get off the wallet and order some more T7's post-haste.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8380 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 10):
Good God, the travelers from South Africa that fly to ATL go from a spacious SA A346 to a old wore out cramped 763 on DL.

The SA 346's weren't that spacious if you recall - thus the reason SAA is reconfiguring them in the back.

While I do agree, DL's 763s are older, they still have plenty of service life left and if they can be used to maximize DL's operational abilities, why not?

Quoting B777ER (Reply 10):
I have said it before, DL wants to be a premium international airline, then get some better aircraft for these premier routes. Its getting to be a real joke how they are expanding all over Europe, Middle East, India and now Africa with just 8 777's.

And how were they supposed to get more than 8 777s? Pilots said no, management said no, and then there is this thing called Chap 11. You make do with what you have when you can't buy new a/c.

Quoting B777ER (Reply 10):
I for one would fly SA into IAD long before choosing DL's product on the 763. DL needs to get off the wallet and order some more T7's post-haste.

There are five more T7s coming online within the next two years, 2 of which are -232LRs.

Also, everyone is already expecting an order of some sort post emergence from Chap 11.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8344 times:
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Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 9):
Anyway, glad to see ATL - JNB doing so well already.

Africa-USA traffic is a goldmine... It's up to the U.S carriers to dare flying to Africa.
The market is huge.

FB.



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User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8288 times:

Quoting B777ER (Reply 10):
I have said it before, DL wants to be a premium international airline, then get some better aircraft for these premier routes. Its getting to be a real joke how they are expanding all over Europe, Middle East, India and now Africa with just 8 777's

Please explain more specifically how 767s are inherently "uncomfortable" while A340s, 777s and other true wide cabin types are to be presumed to more comfortable. Seems to me that inflight comfort levels for pax or the lack thereof, whether in Y or otherwise, has little to nothing to do with aircraft type but rather has everything to do the design of the seats installed in any given aircraft type and the manner in which seats are arranged/spaced.

[Edited 2006-08-20 22:03:10]

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8084 times:

How long is the aircraft on the ground in Senegal?

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8035 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 14):
How long is the aircraft on the ground in Senegal?

1:25h ATL-JNB and 1:15 JNB-ATL.


User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7958 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 14):
How long is the aircraft on the ground in Senegal?

Looks like 1:15 on the ground each direction.

V*DL34/15DEC
..................DPTR....ARVL MEALS EQP ELPD ACCUM MILES
ATL....DKR....355P....530A‡1... D........767..8.35.....8.35....4343
DKR....JNB.....645A...500P........B...............8.15...18.05....4174

V*DL35/16DEC«
..................DPTR....ARVL MEALS EQP ELPD ACCUM MILES
JNB....DKR....700P.....215A‡1....D........767...9.15....9.15...4174
DKR....ATL....330A.....810A.......B................9.40..20.10...4343



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3068 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7925 times:

Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 13):
Please explain more specifically how 767s are inherently "uncomfortable" while A340s, 777s and other true wide cabin types are to be presumed to more comfortable. Seems to me that inflight comfort levels for pax or the lack thereof, whether in Y or otherwise, has little to nothing to do with aircraft type but rather has everything to do the design of the seats installed in any given aircraft type and the manner in which seats are arranged/spaced.

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As a Y passenger, I'd take a 763 over a 777 anyday assuming that the amenities (seats, IFE, etc.) are the same. Only a 1/7 chance of a middle seat as opposed to a 3/9 chance.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7925 times:

To be honest, nothing really beats the comfort of a 767 in coach, 2-3-2 works out rather well on a long flight......and DL is in the process of upgrading its 767s and its international product in general.

Why is everyone so negative about everything?

DL had "the balls" to open a route from the US to Africa, not since the PanAm days has any US airline taken a chance with a service to Africa (aside from the odd USAfrica experiment)......give DL credit for that. Yes, DL's 777 fleet is limited, and the 777 that orginally flew the JNB route is needed for the nonstop to India....but the 763ER will do just fine on this route for the time being. Give DL credit for taking a big risk with its JNB service.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7899 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 15):
1:25h ATL-JNB and 1:15 JNB-ATL.

Thats a short refuelling stop, so I assume everybody stays on the aircraft. If I was in Y, no matter what aircraft, I would want to get off and stretch those legs!


User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7748 times:

Don't be too hard on DL's 763s. It's true that they lack PTVs and the seats certainly look like crap, but I've flown them transatlantic once and transcontinental in the US countless times and they are actually pretty comfortable. Given a choice between DL's 777s (I've also flown those transatlantic) and 763s, I would pick the 763s. Also, service and comfort are way more important than the appearance of the aircraft for actually enjoying the flight (first impression might be bad if aircraft is ugly like DL's on the inside, but comfort isn't impacted). The majority of my eight transatlantic trips (I know a lot fewer than many of you) have been on European airlines and my two favorite, by far, were Swissair (had PTVs) and KLM (no PTVs but very comfortable) because the aircraft were comfortable and the service was great. My three transatlantic flights on BA have been way worse than any of my five on Delta because their 777s are horrendously cramped, the seats are hard, and the recline is so much that people were lying in my face the whole time. I wouldn't think twice about flying DL to South Africa.

User currently offlineUpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7615 times:

Ok i read delta is planning on updating the international 767s with the leaher seats, the LED reading lights & cabin lights, refurbishing the bathrooms, etc. With this upgrade are they also going to add PTVs? Seems like Africa on a 767 with just mainline movies could get old fast. Personally i wish delta would put their PTV system from Song on there intl flights with free on demand movies instead of TV. I think that would really be competitive compaired to the systems other airlines have.


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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1359 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 6985 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 18):
DL had "the balls" to open a route from the US to Africa, not since the PanAm days has any US airline taken a chance with a service to Africa (aside from the odd USAfrica experiment)......

North American Airlines operates from JFK to ACC and LOS along with BWI to Banjul and Accra.
I think the JFK-ACC is up to daily, if not daily then very close to it.

World Airways also operates from IAH to Luanda, Angola (LAD) 3x week.


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6904 times:

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 22):
North American Airlines operates from JFK to ACC and LOS along with BWI to Banjul and Accra.
I think the JFK-ACC is up to daily, if not daily then very close to it.

Correct.....I honestly did not recall those flights....I should have said DL is the only legacy carrier that is taking a chance with flights to Africa.

Quoting Flyer732 (Reply 22):

World Airways also operates from IAH to Luanda, Angola (LAD) 3x week.

Arent these charters run specifically for the oil industry execs......I dont think its possible to just purchase a ticket on these flights (this topic was discussed here at a.net, I cannot remember the exact result.)


User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1359 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6799 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 23):
Arent these charters run specifically for the oil industry execs......I dont think its possible to just purchase a ticket on these flights (this topic was discussed here at a.net, I cannot remember the exact result.)

As far as I know you cannot book it outside of the oil industry, BUT...according to some travel sites you can, but you have to be a member on the houston-express website to get to a booking page, and I'm not sure how to register.

Though I've seen a trip report, on flyertalk by someone who rode the flight and bought a ticket on it, but that was some time ago.


25 Aviationwiz : As per US law, all pax continuing on to the United States (does Delta even have permission to load/offload pax or cargo in DKR?) must stay onboard, a
26 EXAAUADL : Even with a 777, ATL-JNB will experience a decline in available seats YR/YR
27 WorldTraveler : DKR is a full revenue stop. It is not a technical stop. I doubt if they plan on allowing passengers to fully disembark given the short ground time but
28 Alitalia744 : Care to explain your thinking or rationale behind this?
29 LouA340 : North American has already taken that title. They now have scheduled servives to ACC, LOS and BJL.
30 Alitalia744 : WT, I know, don't attack me, I was responding to someone else. Should we begin discussing the "decision" or do you wanna wait?
31 Richie87 : I had not heard much about Delta's routes to South Africa as yet. I have booked a trip to South Africa in January 2007.. taking my 13 y/o nephew on a
32 Post contains images N600RR : Why indeed? And it seems like it's not just here on A.net either... How much does one of these systems weigh? Hey! Don't play with our emotions like
33 Alitalia744 : We should be so lucky. I wish Leo gets not a single more cent from Delta Air Lines, Inc. But that's probably not likely to happen... I think?
34 N600RR : I should have said: use the money to buy more planes, pay off creditors, upgrade inflight service, employee pay, etc., etc.
35 HnlBoi : Is there a crew change in DKR to work the DKR-JNB leg? and vice versa?
36 EXAAUADL : SA's A340-600 had 333 seats. DL's 777 has something like 270 or so.
37 B777ER : As of now..you get a nice inflight magazine! Oh and a movie that everyone must watch on the main screen. Thats the point I was trying to make but I a
38 Zsx81 : Thank you Tango very good point. If you think about it 777s are configure 3-3-3 as opposed to 76s with 2-3-2. You have a more middle seats on 777! Pl
39 DAL767400ER : It's actually going from 2x weekly to 3x weekly, not daily. Why is everybody so goddamn hell-bent on having PTVs? I guess things like books, you know
40 Aviationwiz : Because most people don't just want to sit there and read for 18 hours, especially in this day and age. People want to recline their seats and watch
41 Soups : 1 weekly flight during the low seasons 2/3 during the peak periods
42 Alitalia744 : Incorrect, again. Total of 117 a/c will get the first module - inclusive of 757s, 767-300 (domestic birds) and 737-800s. The first 757-200 w/ the new
43 B747-437B : The JFK-ACC is 2x weekly (Wed/Sat) and BWI-BJL-ACC is 1x weekly (Sun). The summer loads have been by all anecdotal accounts very disappointing for NA
44 OttoPylit : Don't worry. A good chunk of 777's will be arriving beginning early 2008. Because the IFE product for the 767's is not decided yet. The 757's will be
45 Panamair : PTVs in Y (or for that matter in J or F) are not the deal-breaker for most people when deciding on air travel. Price, schedules, convenience, FF prog
46 B777ER : No, you basically confirmed what I said! No 763 domestic or otherwise is getting PTV's for now. Just the 757. See below as well. Have a nice day.
47 Alitalia744 : B777ER - your statement is still invalid see below: 1) When refering to the 767 fleet there are currently three different fleet sets: -332(domestic),
48 DeltaSFO : The B777s will also receive the cabin refurbishment and PTV enhancement mods within the timeframe you mentioned for the remainder of the fleet.
49 Alitalia744 : thanks for the info DeltaSFO - I knew they were getting the all leather interior, but wasn't sure about PTVs given the system is already installed an
50 Dutchjet : I am not being negative, its just odd that the domestic 767s are getting an IFE upgrade before the longrange 767s.......I understand the issues invol
51 DeltaSFO : Dutchjet, I agree with your point and from what I have come to understand, resolving this issue is a very high priority. Obviously, the 767ERs are the
52 Post contains images Alitalia744 : Agree whole-hartedly, but it's the way it is, and hindsight is 20/20. In theory, the 764s and later-build 763ERs should have been delivered with PTVS
53 Post contains images Panamair : Well, it's kind of been like that since the introduction of Song...the less you paid, the more you got. Low-yield Florida pax. were getting AVOD whil
54 Post contains images Alitalia744 : 2008. yes
55 LH459 : Welcome back! What a pleasant surprise! Oh, and very interesting to read about NAA's troubles.
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