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Taking Water Onboard - An Idea  
User currently offlineBSU747 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 172 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8233 times:

If not taking liquids onto a plane becomes the way off life from now on, here's what I suggest on flights over an hour long, where the water has already been security cleared and is in a clear bottle. Also surely it can't be that expensive for the airlines to supply water since they could buy it in bulk.

Would it not be a better idea to supply each passenger a bottle of water as they board the plane?
1, People could get a bottle on the air bridge prior to boarding the plane. (this could be open to abuse)
2, The flight attendants could hand you a bottle as you board the plane as they check your boarding card. At least if you want a bottle you can get one and everyone gets the opportunity to "take a drink onboard"
3, Leave a bottle on every seat during the turnaround so that each passenger has a drink. (this could be open to abuse)

I think number 2 would be a better option as it could save the FA some time during flight, it also helps the passengers from developing an initial thirst should the flight be delayed in taking off & also might save a bit of weight being carried on the plane as the FA can leave any excess water at the gate. It would be a time-saver for the FA as they would not have passengers pushing the call button as often earlier in the flight when they could be getting any meal service ready.

I have had this a few times when boarding international flights and it certainly helped both me the passenger and the FA.

I only want to keep this topic related to water as it is a simple and cheap method and is the best thing to drink in flight anyway.
I apologise if this has been covered already.


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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2373 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

This seems to be getting a standard on most longer flights anyway (typically either water distributed as soon as boarding has completed or in your seatback pocket already when you board). Have seen this on DL, EY, LX, QR etc. recently.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24964 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8097 times:
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I don't understand what the fuss is about - why do you have to have your own bottle of water?

In a long life of flying, with good and bad airlines, I have never been refused water on an aircraft when I asked for it.

???

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User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1881 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 8069 times:

Finnair is handing out bottles of water on my HEL-HKG flight two days ago to everyone, J and Y. It is definitely a good way to handle the current liquid ban.

About bottles of water, it takes sometimes for F/As to set up the galley carts before being able to do the first beverage service. Sometimes there are ATC delays, turbulence on climbout and various reasons that can further delay the flight. Most passengers, including me, often bring a bottle of water with me for that reason, and also not all airlines are like CX, SQ, or LX, which came around with water and juice every hour in all cabin classes.

I definitely say yes to handing out water bottles during boarding.

Carfield


User currently offlineEoinnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2003, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8031 times:

I think (if bottles were to be given out) the bottles of water should be given once everyone is seated. Boarding takes long enough without the extra task of giving people water, they already have their hands full. Also there would not be enough room to have up to 400 bottles of water at the door.

User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7120 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8022 times:

every seat in U class and C Class had a sipper bottle of water in onboard NZ to LAX and back, and I recall AR doing the same in economy. I thought most airlines did this already...

User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7957 times:

Is it possible to take on board, a frozen bottle of water?


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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7873 times:

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 6):
a frozen bottle of water?

Very funny~



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

Seriously though a frozen bottle of water is solid not a liquid one could argue it doesn't meet the ban requirements.

User currently offlineDuggy From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7782 times:

BMI have offered bottles of water from a rack when boarding for longhaul flights for a while (don't know if they're still doing this with the new security procedures however) for passengers to take onto the plane.

Also, Virgin Atlantic are installing water fountains in economy on their new A340-600's and on existing A340-600's when they remove the mid-cabin galley.


User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7755 times:

I was on an American Airlines from Miami to New York yesterday where the F/A refused water to a mother trying to prepare baby formula for a crying baby because "service does not begin until we reach cruising altitude."

I was so mad at watching that incident that I won't be flying AA anytime soon again.

Delta seems to be the best about providing water.


User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7730 times:

We're the FA's still in jumpseats strapped in and the mom rang a call bell or were they allready up out of their seats?

User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7664 times:

Walking down the aisle. No call button.

Just another male flight attendent at AA with a bad, unpleasant attitude. That's why I prefer Delta and Continental and try to avoid AA, although it is my company's preferred carrier.. nicer F/As on DL and CO.


User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7567 times:
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In the UK, there's no restriction on taking bottles of water on board. The restriction is on taking them through the security check point. You simply buy your water in the departure lounge and take it on board without any problems at all (except on flights to the USA of course, where water is the seen as the latest example of WMD  Wink

User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

I have never been on a flight where water is not available even on very short flights i.e. YXU-YYZ on AC there was water available.  Cool


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User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7402 times:

Quoting BSU747 (Thread starter):
Would it not be a better idea to supply each passenger a bottle of water as they board the plane?



For what? Please keep in mind that planes aren't catered at every station and sometimes we have to stretch our supplies for a whole roundtrip (i.e. JFK-DEN-JFK). Flights are full and we have limited space. My airline has already added an extra water cart and sometimes we still get really low on longhauls. Handing them out to everyone during boarding would only deplete our limited supply faster.

I have absolutely NO problem handing out water on request during boarding, nor would I ever deny someone. I just don't see what the big deal is. If you know you will be thirsty buy some water or Gatorade in the terminal and drink it before you board.


User currently offlineBSU747 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6867 times:

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 15):
For what? Please keep in mind that planes aren't catered at every station and sometimes we have to stretch our supplies for a whole roundtrip (i.e. JFK-DEN-JFK). Flights are full and we have limited space. My airline has already added an extra water cart and sometimes we still get really low on longhauls. Handing them out to everyone during boarding would only deplete our limited supply faster.

I was only making this suggesstion in the event of a ban being enforced whereby you are not being able to take any liquid that you have purchased being taken onto the aircraft even if you have purchased in the secure area, such as current rules on flights from the UK to the USA.
Another idea is that the ground station itself provides the water so that only water that the passenger wants is taken onto the plane, in the same way that pre packed meals used to be handed out at the gate. I'm not saying every flight but those which might be over 60 minutes flying time or when the weather is very hot.

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 15):
I have absolutely NO problem handing out water on request during boarding, nor would I ever deny someone. I just don't see what the big deal is. If you know you will be thirsty buy some water or Gatorade in the terminal and drink it before you board.

My argument regarding this is delays can happen on departure whereby the FA are strapped to their seats or performing other duties. If you force drink yourself before flying you are going to have some passengers who might need to go to the toilet at a critical stage during departure.



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User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6642 times:

On a related subject, at Yankee stadium, anyone entering the stadium with a bottle of water or whatever the liquid may be is forced to open the bottle and consume from the bottle while security watches. Anyone who doesn't follow this procedure is denied entry into the stadium. Can you imagine the same policy on an airliner?

User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 6366 times:

Quoting Carfield (Reply 3):
Finnair is handing out bottles of water on my HEL-HKG flight two days ago to everyone, J and Y. It is definitely a good way to handle the current liquid ban.

There is no liquid ban on Europe-Asia flights. Finnair has been doing this was years! I like it, although I still always carry my own bottle of water onboard.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5940 times:
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Quoting Jumbojet (Reply 17):
at Yankee stadium, anyone entering the stadium with a bottle of water or whatever the liquid may be is forced to open the bottle and consume from the bottle while security watches.

What drink the whole bottle or just take a mouth full to convince security?


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24964 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5778 times:
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On the bright side, if the ban kills the concept of a bottle of designer water as a fashion statement, people will save a fair amount of money.

 Smile

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineFlight7E7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5466 times:

Ok, so buying the beverage (water, et. al.) in the sterile boarding/departure lounge-area, whatever you want to call it....if asked by a gate agent or flight attendant for whatever reason...what proof do you have it was purchased inside security-besides a receipt? Can you imagine the chaos that would cause-"sir I need to see your bording pass, passport and/or photo ID and a receipt for your beverage?

Let's face it-security is one thing, and traveling as I do, OC behavior on the part of any government in the free world is beyond reasonable. In a way, the damn terrorist have "softly" acheived wreaking havoc with the global aviation system. Not to say discount entirely that something good did not come out of this melee, but when is enough, truly enough?

Bush-Blair, etc. "We will not allow them to keep us from living our lives normally".....I don't think so....

Any way, just MHO.

Cheers


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

I Dont drink Potable water, most water supplied on flights comes from the taps...

I know how they're cleaned and i even feel dirty washing my hands in the water onboard. I'll only drink bottled water on the aircraft...



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24964 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5343 times:
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Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 22):
I know how they're cleaned and i even feel dirty washing my hands in the water onboard. I'll only drink bottled water on the aircraft...

Your faith in the manufacturers of designer water is quite touching.

 Smile

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mariner



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User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4098 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5321 times:

Quoting 28thguy (Reply 12):
Just another male flight attendent at AA with a bad, unpleasant attitude. That's why I prefer Delta and Continental and try to avoid AA, although it is my company's preferred carrier.. nicer F/As on DL and CO.

 banghead  Flight attendents on domestic flights on AA seem to have an idea that they are only there because the law mandates a certain number of attendents. AA flight attendents on intermnational flights could not be more friendly and helpful so lets not blame a whole airline for the rotten attitude of a few FA's.  frown  Chances are the lady in question probably was not the most patient to deal with considering she has a young child who is still drinking formula and probably was not in the best of moods.  Angry



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25 Panman : Trust me, if you knew how the water onboard aircraft is sterilized you wouldn't drink it either. I have done that job once, after doing it, I was not
26 Kaddyuk : Hey, at least i know they dont have to add copious amounts of chlorine to the water for it to be "safe" to drink... Have you ever seen INSIDE a water
27 Flyboy14295 : I will never drink warter fron an airplane again(like I ever Did) It would probably be interesting to see but probably disgusting at the same time!
28 MotorHussy : There are some things it's just best not to know.
29 Jumbojet : just a mouthful. Its actually pretty funny to watch this.
30 Starlionblue : As Brilondon says, AA F/As are quite uneven. Some are fantastic. Some are horrible. That's the crappy part. It's like a lottery. I have written sever
31 Hmmmm... : They used to make the flight attendants smile in the good old days. Now, the unions tell the airline what goes and what doesn't. In the '60s and '70s,
32 MotorHussy : And sometimes the authorities are the terrorists. KE007 IR655 Regards MH
33 YULWinterSkies : Water in the lavatories on aircraft is NOT potable water, it is clearly mentioned near the tap... Well, actually replace "a terrorist blows up" by "a
34 Alfa75 : Sounds like a job for that "Dirty Jobs" show!
35 Hmmmm... : I don't get this. Are you saying that KAL 007 was destroyed by a terrorist bomb brought on board by a government agent? Because that is the topic of
36 Luv2fly : How true! I remember growing up we never had to constantly have a beverage at are disposal 24/7!
37 Skywatch : Couldn't a solid rock hard bottle do a whole lot more damage than say nail clippers or scissors? Just a thought.... ---Skywatch
38 Mariner : Given some of the acids that fall from the sky these days, a dash of cholrine might be preferable. But Michael Jackson took your view, he washed his
39 Rampart : Ha ha! How true. My worst case of "traveler's malady" came from a bottled water in China! And from there on, I was a nervous wreck not knowing what w
40 MPDPilot : I am wondering how many of you think that this current ban will last very long. if you go by the past in less than half a decade we are almost right b
41 Ckfred : My minister was discussing today that the liquids ban will be a problem for her. I'm not sure what airline she flies, but apparently, it serves Pepsi
42 28thguy : Given that Delta hands out bottles of water to passengers (as opposed to a cup or glass), I think the TSA theory is a bit flawed.
43 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Simple pure distilled water does the trick...... the new "fad" is "vitamin water"....yet another joke (which seem sto be making money for the manufat
44 MotorHussy : Well now, if you're going to be so pedantic about it, the subject is actually about the ease, convenience and necessity of bottled drinking water abo
45 MotorHussy : If the water could freeze, it would prove it's water. Water with high contents of glycerine cannot freeze. Glycerine, important in manufacturing nitr
46 Hmmmm... : No, what you were implying by mentioning KAL 007, is that that aircraft was brought down by terrorism. I remember that aircraft being shot down by th
47 MotorHussy : ter-ror-ism noun the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. I believe there was a political agenda in the downing of the
48 Hmmmm... : That is where you are off the scale. Shooting down a plane flying over restricted terrority, is not an act of terrorism. All nations reserve that righ
49 IAirAllie : Not true of all the airlines I've worked for none of them used the "tap" water for anything but hot drinks. Lots of permitted items can do a whole lo
50 Post contains images Tod : The water in the lavs is always supplied by the aircraft's potable water system. That is the exact same water that goes into the galleys. (Ref: Any A
51 Ntspelich : does anyone else remember the world before everyone had to have a bottle of water with them twentyfour hours a day? i'm not trying to get nostalgic he
52 Tod : I can only speak for myself, but when flying longhaul in a full Y cabin, I cannot count on the FAs being able to get me the quantity of water I prefe
53 Panman : Oh no. There's nothing dirty about it at all, Quite a clean job. I still wouldn't drink it. After doing that job and chatting with my colleagues, I w
54 Philhyde : I don't know about other airlines, but CO and NW use bottled water when doing a beverage service. Not sure about the coffee though!
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