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Old Longhaul Business Class Configuration  
User currently offlineARGinLON From Vatican City, joined Jun 2005, 614 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6383 times:

I was checking some old advertisement and I came across the one below from TW (probably from the early 80’s?). What it surprises me the most, is the little graph comparing the new “747 Ambassador Class” vs. “A typical 747 business class” that shows 3x4x3.

Did a typical 747 really offer 3x4x3 or is this just pure advertising strategy? BTW: That Red wall in the back is the cabin with the Red logo looks just too much…



[Edited 2006-08-20 18:55:38]

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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3981 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Before this if you flew on a Y full fare ticket, you flew economy. Business class had just been invented, so they are comparing the new 6 abreast seats with the standard economy seats.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

2x2x2 was extremely generous for business class, even in those days. Most carriers offerred 2x4x2 or 2x3x2 if you were lucky. Does anyone know how long this Ambassador Class config was retained by TW ?

User currently offlineDETA737 From Portugal, joined Oct 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6183 times:

This ad is probably from around the time TWA introduced its Ambassador Class in October of 1982. TWA's Ambassador Class was fairly generous at the time compared to some other carriers. Here's a comparison of various business class configurations in the mid-80s. Unfortunately Ambassador class was done away with in 1994 or 1995 and all aircraft went to a two class configuration (around the time comfort class disappeared).

747
Northwest Orient Executive Class 2-4-2
Pan Am Clipper Class 2-4-2
TWA Ambassador Class 2-2-2

DC-10
American Airlines Business Class 2-4-2
Continental Airlines Business Class 2-3-2
United Business Class 2-4-2

L-1011
Delta Business Class 2-4-2
TWA Ambassador Class 2-4-2


User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6153 times:

TWA use to also advertise that they had Ambassador Class on all their widebodies and the yalso sold Ambassador Class on domestic flights.

You could book J class on STL-ORD or STL-MCI even.


User currently offlineToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

Quoting DETA737 (Reply 3):
L-1011
Delta Business Class 2-4-2
TWA Ambassador Class 2-4-2

TWA also had an international L10 configuration with 2-2-2 Ambassador class seating. Domestic was 2-4-2



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

Quoting ARGinLON (Thread starter):
I was checking some old advertisement and I came across the one below from TW (probably from the early 80’s?). What it surprises me the most, is the little graph comparing the new “747 Ambassador Class” vs. “A typical 747 business class” that shows 3x4x3.

Check out this thread...you'll find a lot of information.

RE: The First "Business Class"? (by Dtwclipper May 21 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2783034


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4002 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5956 times:

In the mid-80s I flew Lufthansa on a 747 combi business class and it was 9-abreast. I can't recall the pitch, but it must have been 38in.

User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

Business class back in the day was just a small cabin behind First with the same old Y seats but with a bit more legroom and the possibility of having an empty seat next to you. That's about it. Of course, you paid only a small premium over Economy, unlike today.

User currently offlineToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5919 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 8):
Business class back in the day was just a small cabin behind First with the same old Y seats but with a bit more legroom and the possibility of having an empty seat next to you. That's about it. Of course, you paid only a small premium over Economy, unlike today.

TWA international Ambassador buisness class seats on the 747 where the exact same size as the Royal Amabassador first class seats but with a differant type leg rest. In first class I remember the "window" seat had exactly five windows, talkin about space.



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User currently offlineAA777223ER From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 220 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Quoting DETA737 (Reply 3):
DC-10
American Airlines Business Class 2-4-2

When AA's DC-10's were in a 2 class configuration,
First class was 2-2-2 and Coach 2-5-2

In a 3 class configuration,
First 2-2-2, Business 2-3-2 and Coach 2-5-2

Regards,

AA777223ER



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30578 posts, RR: 84
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5873 times:
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Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
2x2x2 was extremely generous for business class, even in those days.

My JFK-LHR flight in 1985 was on a 747 and it was amazing how much space there was in 2x2x2 config.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
TWA use to also advertise that they had Ambassador Class on all their widebodies and the yalso sold Ambassador Class on domestic flights.

Yup. I flew it SEA-JFK and JFK-SEA in 1985 on a 767-200 (connecting to JFK-LHR outbound and CDG-JFK inbound). It was 2x2x2.


Quoting ToTheStars (Reply 5):
TWA also had an international L10 configuration with 2-2-2 Ambassador class seating. Domestic was 2-4-2.

Yup. Our CDG-JFK flight was an L-1011. Certainly lived up to the moniker "WhisperJet".


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