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Short Haul Routes With Heavies In Europe  
User currently offlineEMA747 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 1171 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8290 times:

Hi.
I am just wondering what operators use heavies on short haul routes in Europe. Don't KLM use an A330 on their LHR-AMS route sometimes? Also don't SQ use a 744 on MAN-ZRH or something like that?
Does anybody know of any other similar operations? I would like to try flying a few if I can. Would really like to fly a 777 again but can't think of any short haul routes using them in Europe.

Andy S


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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3091 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

In 2004, I flew LHR-PRG on a BA 763. Not sure if they're still using them on that route though.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8239 times:

Check the LH schedules, they frequently use their A300s on routes from FRA to London and Athens, and on domestic legs within Germany. BA uses 763s on some high demand European routes but the number of 763 flights has been reduced as BA has converted some of their Europe configured 763s to longhaul standard for longer range flights. Olympic sends its A340s to London and sometimes Paris, I am not sure if their schedule shows which flights are operated with the A340. Another idea is to check schedules from LHR.....Iberia has used A340s on the LHR-MAD route during certain periods and its not unusual to see a TAP assign a widebody to the LHR-LIS route.

Aside from BA and LH, and a tag-on flight from an Asian airline, you will have to do some research to find ""heavies"" on the short European segments....also note that schedules change frequently and the widebody may only be assigned to a specific route for a few days or weeks to acommodate increased demand.

Even on the KL flight between LHR and AMS....there are frequently equipment swaps, although one widebody is generally sent from AMS to LHR every day (to move cargo), it may not be the flight originally scheduled and it many not be the airplane that you expected.


User currently offlineAndaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

Finnair flies MD-11 to the ski resorts in Finnish Lapland occasionally in winter.


MD-11 in Kittila (KTT) in Finnish Lapland, flying time 1h 25min:

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Photo © Juha Portti


[Edited 2006-08-21 05:17:14]

User currently offlineMonkeyboi From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

BA regularly uses its 767-300's on intra-european routes.

LH with their A300.

KL with their 330/763.

OA with their A300/A340.

TK with their 330.

CY with their 330.


User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7944 times:

BA uses the 763 to ATH ,NCE and maybe ARN. What about Varig CDG-CPH/AMS?

User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7928 times:

MAN-LHR on day 4 on a RB 747SP!

User currently offlineDernierVirage From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2006, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7921 times:

Depending on the time of year etc., some AF (scheduled) flights from Paris to Ajaccio are with the 747.

User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7896 times:

Dub-snn on EI A330.
Along with others mentioned above.

CPH-Greenland with Greenlandflug.

Ethiopian LON-FCO (I think it may be LHR)

D3 (Daalo airlines) LGW-CDG (-JIB)


User currently offlineC172onfloats From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7896 times:

LH uses sometimes their A346 from FRA to MUC or MUC to FRA!

User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7863 times:

747 sp LHR -MAN didnt know that does that still operate?

User currently offlinePsimpson From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 day ago) and read 7803 times:

Aer Lingus A330-300s twice weekly to Nice.

User currently offlineEIDW From Ireland, joined Nov 2003, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 day ago) and read 7779 times:

EI use the 330 to Malaga as well, flew on one yesterday!

EIDW.


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 23 hours ago) and read 7726 times:

TK flies from IST to LHR,AMS,Dusseldorf and some other German cities by 343s and 330s sometimes.

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (8 years 23 hours ago) and read 7687 times:

Although its not regualr, the recent problems at LHR saw some interesting European operations, thanks to the emergency measures of flight cutting. As I arrived into T2 on monday last week, there was a CSA A310 sitting at the next stand. Can't recall seeing that at LHR before.

As mentioned above LH, schedule an A300 for at least two of their services to FRA a day, including the mid-afternoon flight.



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User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (8 years 23 hours ago) and read 7668 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 2):
Even on the KL flight between LHR and AMS....there are frequently equipment swaps, although one widebody is generally sent from AMS to LHR every day (to move cargo), it may not be the flight originally scheduled and it many not be the airplane that you expected

Dutchjet is right, however, the planned KLM widebody flights for LHR are like below (all in UTC):

FLT NO: KL1007 D/S: W06
NR PERIOD FREQ A/C D TECHN CONFIG/PP FIRST FLT NEXT FLT
01 29OCT06 18FEB07 3 7 763 C 30C 190M 4 KL1008
02 30OCT06 24MAR07 12 456 332 A 30C 221M 6 KL1008
03 21FEB07 21MAR07 3 7 332 A 30C 221M 6 KL1008

meaning: daily 332 on KL1007/KL1008 as from 21feb07  Smile



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 23 hours ago) and read 7668 times:

Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 5):
BA uses the 763 to ATH ,NCE and maybe ARN.

This summer BA are only operating 757, 320 and 319 to NCE. Normally we get 763's as well. Maybe this year it was only for Cannes Film Festival and the GP.


User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 23 hours ago) and read 7605 times:

What do SU and UN use from SVO/LED?

User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 23 hours ago) and read 7579 times:

Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 5):
BA uses the 763 to ATH ,NCE and maybe ARN

I think BA flies 737 to ARN



Next flights: ARN-LHR-IAD on BA 319/VS343 EWR-LHR-ARN on VS346/BA319
User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 23 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 18):

No, BA flies A319, A320, B757 and B763 to ARN on regular basis.
One daily visit of the B763.


User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 537 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 23 hours ago) and read 7557 times:

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 18):
I think BA flies 737 to ARN

Sorry was wrong :P BA operates one 767 to ARN the rest is A319



Next flights: ARN-LHR-IAD on BA 319/VS343 EWR-LHR-ARN on VS346/BA319
User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (8 years 22 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

BA936/BA937 LHR-DUS-LHR is regularly a 767-300 (if not 757) ...

(I used to fly the VC10 once in the late 70's: good old memories !!!)



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (8 years 22 hours ago) and read 7494 times:

Some charter operators use heavies on short haul:


LTU: A330-300
Condor: B767-300
Mytravel AS: A330-300
Martinair: MD-11, B767-300
Thomsonfly: B767-200/300
Corsair: B747-300, A330-200
Transaero: B767-200/300, B747-200
Pulkovo: IL-86
Aeroflot: IL-86, IL-96
Excel Airways: B767-200/300, B747-300
Monarch: A300-600, B767-300
Onur Air: A300
Fly Air: A300
Siberia Airlines: A310, IL-86
Atlant-Soyuz Airways: IL-86
Hapagfly: A310


To name a few..


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2190 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (8 years 22 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 16):
This summer BA are only operating 757, 320 and 319 to NCE. Normally we get 763's as well. Maybe this year it was only for Cannes Film Festival and the GP.

I've seen 767s in NCE quite often this year, albeit not as often as previously.

Quoting MH017 (Reply 15):
Dutchjet is right, however, the planned KLM widebody flights for LHR are like below (all in UTC):

Add to that frequent equipment changes to 777/M11/744s. The latest was yesterday when KL 1009/1010 was operated by a 777.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 22 hours ago) and read 7474 times:

Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 10):
747 sp LHR -MAN didnt know that does that still operate?

From the Amadeus:

1 BA1385 6 MAN 3 LHR 1 0725 0835 0 19AUG06 02SEP06 757 1:10
2BA:QF3534 2 MAN 3 LHR 1 0725 0835 0 08AUG06 26SEP06 320 1:10
3BA:QF3534 X26 MAN 3 LHR 1 0725 0835 0 04AUG06 29SEP06 319 1:10

4 RB 413 4 MAN 2 LHR 2 0820 0905 0 03AUG06 26OCT06 747 0:45


25 C172onfloats : and here is one more: Lan Chile from Madrid to Frankfurt and return on the 343!
26 RAFVC10 : Iberia uses 340 equipment from Madrid to Tenerife North, Las Palmas and Barcelona and sometimes to LHR.
27 Dutchjet : Good catch regarding the routes to the Canaries.....depending on the season, IB throwns serious capacity on the MAD-Gran Canaria and MAD-Tenerife rou
28 Ncelhr : They are being used only on particularly busy days. The bulk of BA's offer in NCE is 757s this summer due to increase in frequency. Needless to say,
29 Wolsingerjet : Sure remember the Air inter A330-300 flying within france at one point...
30 EI321 : And Dublin to Nice!
31 Manni : uote=EMA747,reply=0]Would really like to fly a 777 again but can't think of any short haul routes using them in Europe. [/quote] Apparently Austrian i
32 EI321 : The 777 is ineffecient on short routes.
33 HUYguy : When BMI's service to Moscow starts, will it be on an A330/767 or a narrow-body? That'll count if its on a widebody.
34 EI321 : when is it starting?
35 HAWAIIAN932 : Many years ago, I flew CPH/LHR on BA L-1011. Also TWA L-1011 from AMS/TXL and JL 747 LHR/CDG. AF 744 and A-300 LHR/CDG/LHR was a nice surprise too.
36 Knightsofmalta : I flew Air Namibia from FRA to LHR. Don't know if that flights still exists though. I think Yemenia fly FRA-FCO. And PIA fly OSL-CPH which can be anyt
37 TristarSteve : ARN operation of B763 probably finishing in Nov.
38 TK787 : TK also uses 343 and 313 to some destinations daily. Maybe up to a dozen flights a day total with these 3 types.
39 BAW076 : Royal Jordanian regularly use the A340-200 on the AMM-LHR-AMM route.
40 Runway23 : A320 reconfigured specially for Moscow. Seats in Business class and arrangement will resemble what flies around in North America.
41 Ba757gla : I have seen a 767 opereating LHR-EDI but that was festival time last year. i think oas ATH-LHR is the best but i can never find cheap tickets for it t
42 Jamesjoyce : Saw a Royal Air Maroc 747-400 yesterday in Brussels taking-off for Morocco. That's not short-haul, but it isn't long-haul either at roughly 3 hours w
43 Flyboy_se : Air France operate 777 on saturdays and sundays as AF508 CDG-CAI. I dont know if u would consider this flight a short hauls one since its 4h30minutes.
44 Airbuseric : Currently B8 (Eritrean Airlines) is operating a L1011 (OD-MIR) on their AMS-MXP (-ASM) flights. I don't know if it's possible to get a ticket on AMS-M
45 JJJ : LAN Chile sells seats on his MAD-FRA leg using A340 equipment. Also, as mentioned IB also uses the A340 in high capacity domestic routes as well as in
46 Mhodgson : BA also operate the 763 to FRA. XLA operate the 763 LGW-MAN(-BGI), though the domestic sector cannot be booked.
47 MH017 : Eric, AMS-MXP no traffic rights...
48 Post contains images Gkirk : You're all forgetting the routes operated by 752 and 753s, which could be classified as "heavy"
49 ReverseThrust : KLM have recently flown a few 777's from AMS-LHR on afternoon rotations. BA often flew their 767's to Munich too having travelled on quite a few fligh
50 SK601 : KL operates the B767/A330 on their daily KL1007/8 AMS-LHR-AMS, KL1009/10 is operated with the B767 from time to time. Yesterday (29 Aug) KL1671/2 AMS-
51 AeroMexico777 : Hi! I think BA also uses a 763 to MAD or BCN... Regards, AeroMexico777
52 TurkishWings : One of the two daily flights of BA on the LHR-IST-LHR route is also a 763.
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