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Are NWA DC-9s Scrap After 2007?  
User currently offlineNitrohelper From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 469 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 5660 times:

This is an update request for the " when will NWA DC-9s be ? ,etc. etc."
Since the price of Oil has been steady around $70/barrel, will the DC-9 parking be completed before 2012 (as the late date) vs. 2010 (early finish). whiteflag 
Anybody know how many DC-9s will be flying for NWA in 2007 ?
Could a third world airline keep some of the -9s flying for years in the future? airplane 

Oh yes ; "What will Northwest replace the DC-9 with "  scratchchin   wink 

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User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

Quoting Nitrohelper (Thread starter):
Anybody know how many DC-9s will be flying for NWA in 2007 ?

They have 103 of them now. They seem to be parking them at a rate of about 30 per year in last 2 years. So I expect at the end of 2007 we would see at least 70 of them still in service.



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6104 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 5629 times:
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From what I have read around here on other threads is that cost of fuel is not the only factor. Just because they are expensive to fuel, they have lower costs elsewhere. They are paid for, which can offset the cost of fuel. I would think that since technicians have been working on them so long they really know the plane backward and forward. That can reduce costs too. SWA only having 737s is example of that. Training a staff to work on a new fleet on anything is very expensive. That is true from ships to garbage trucks and everything in between.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

Given the current situation at NW, we should be cautions. NW might not be around next year if their labour disputes continue as they are, so the fate of the NW DC-9s might be even more uncertain than before.

User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 5483 times:

As I said in the last thread, from what I have heard from Northwest Executives, NWA is planning to keep the DC-9 fleet for another 30 years. According to an executive, the DC-9 is cheap to operate and maintain. I thought he was crazy at first, but then he mentioned that NW was upgrading the interiors of their DC-9's.

User currently offlineMSPCRJ200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

I heard that NWA is planning to replace some of the aircraft with EMB-190s. Can anyone confirm? Whatever happens, from a passenger perspective I can't see how they will convince anyone in a few years to board one of those rustbuckets. Do any other non-3rd world airlines actually operate 9's anymore?

User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 5404 times:

I'd love to have the dc-9's around for another 10 or so years - I do love those planes, they're built like tanks, I don't care how rough the flight gets, I'm never nervous in a dc-9 at all, I love the take off's and the climb outs - from DTW to FNT, there's sometimes a huge turn, major banking - when they take off to the south.

On longer flights, they're a comfortable smooth plane when cruising, sure there are a few worn and tattered spots (look at the ceiling over the first class bathroom), but they're great planes, and I hope to fly them for years


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 4):
NWA is planning to keep the DC-9 fleet for another 30 years.

Yea ok. So then the airframes will have close to 60 years on them. suuuuure  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

How many years are on the dc-8's, the dc'3's and the dc 4's that are still flying?

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

Quoting MSPCRJ200 (Reply 5):
Do any other non-3rd world airlines actually operate 9's anymore?

DHL does, through ABX Air.  Wink


User currently offline1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

I don't know if they should even get rid of the 9. They just parked some piece of junk 320s because they reached their service life at I think 15 or 16yrs. Some of the 9s are 40 yrs old and paid for. Go figure.

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 5251 times:
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Quoting 1011 (Reply 10):
Some of the 9s are 40 yrs old and paid for. Go figure.

Not quite. Our oldest DC9 was built in 1968, and there's only one of those. The rest were built in the early 1970's.

Quoting Nitrohelper (Thread starter):
Anybody know how many DC-9s will be flying for NWA in 2007 ?

There hasn't been any plans yet to accelerate the DC9 retirement as of yet. We're retiring the high cycle 9's that are up for depot-level rework. There are four scheduled to be retired between now and the end of the year. And I believe we've retired 6 including the 2 written off earlier this year. A far cry from the 194 DC9's we had when I joined NWA.



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User currently offlineLucky42 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 5166 times:

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 2):
I would think that since technicians have been working on them so long they really know the plane backward and forward. Th

That USED to be the case falstaff but not anymore. Most of all nw work is outsourced and the only "experienced" DC-9 guys are some of the original nw guys who crossed the picket line.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Hi!

Just to say that on the 7th. July 2006 when I was ready to leave EWR I saw N8932E, a NW DC-9-30 in a quite sharp look....well at least it look MUCH BETTER than the USAir 737-300's that I saw at EWR.....they sucked when you looked to their new livery, faded dark blue ( or whatever color is that one !!! )
Regards


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6808 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4873 times:

Quoting 1011 (Reply 10):
They just parked some piece of junk 320s because they reached their service life at I think 15 or 16yrs.

Pure nonsense. Check the archive or some other aviation sources and get some facts straight before posting.  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4824 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 4):
As I said in the last thread, from what I have heard from Northwest Executives, NWA is planning to keep the DC-9 fleet for another 30 years....

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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4262 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

Quoting Jano (Reply 1):
They have 103 of them now. They seem to be parking them at a rate of about 30 per year in last 2 years. So I expect at the end of 2007 we would see at least 70 of them still in service.

Assuming NW has a future, I'd expect to see all of the DC-9s gone by 2010. If they truly are disposing of them at the rate Jano says, it could be sooner. No airline would want to have only 40 of one type of aircraft, at least one that requires such a lot of maintenance and expensive expertise. And yes, as fuel becomes more and more expensive, the old gas hogs do become somewhat of a liability, no matter if they are "paid for" or not.

Quoting N231YE (Reply 4):
As I said in the last thread, from what I have heard from Northwest Executives, NWA is planning to keep the DC-9 fleet for another 30 years. According to an executive, the DC-9 is cheap to operate and maintain. I thought he was crazy at first, but then he mentioned that NW was upgrading the interiors of their DC-9's

Please tell me you are joking. If not, I suggest putting away the dope and hitting a back-to-school sale.
3 years more = a distinct possibility. 30 years = dreaming.

Quoting MSPCRJ200 (Reply 5):
I heard that NWA is planning to replace some of the aircraft with EMB-190s.

These would be the logical replacement type and I think would fit NW very well. However, there is that little issue of money and financing - could be a problem.

Whatever happens, the DC-9s have had a nice run at NW haven't they? I still find it amazing that some examples are still performing yeoman-like day-to-day duties and are nearing their 40th birthdays!

While I believe the E190 is a good plane (as is the A319/20 series), I don't think it is reasonable to expect a 39-year life out of these babies!



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User currently offline1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 14):
Pure nonsense. Check the archive or some other aviation sources and get some facts straight before posting

Can anybody who works for NW verfiy if you guys retired any 320s yet. I thought you retired two or three. Around ship # 304, 305, or 306. I read a article on another publication that NW did retire some 320s because they reached service life.

If it is true did a DC-9 pick up the ferry pilots? NW mechanics used to tell me that when the 320s reached retirement they will pick them up in the desert on the DC-9. Kinda funny.


User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting 1011 (Reply 17):
Can anybody who works for NW verfiy if you guys retired any 320s yet. I thought you retired two or three. Around ship # 304, 305, or 306. I read a article on another publication that NW did retire some 320s because they reached service life.

Here we go....
4 Northwest A320s Being Scrapped At Greenwood, MS! (by IslandHopperCO Jul 24 2006 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2601 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4510 times:
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Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 8):
How many years are on the dc-8's, the dc'3's and the dc 4's that are still flying

Well yeah, but the 3's and 4's are not pressurized and thus do not suffer the stresses of (pressurized) cycling.

The heavier structure of the Douglas jets sure have made them longtime survivors though. NW has certainly proven that!



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3990 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 16):
Please tell me you are joking. If not, I suggest putting away the dope and hitting a back-to-school sale.
3 years more = a distinct possibility. 30 years = dreaming.



Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 7):
Yea ok. So then the airframes will have close to 60 years on them. suuuuure

What part of a NW executive telling me this don't you understand?

-------THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS----------GET THE MESSAGE STRAIT

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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Well they just recently as close as a month ago pulled atleast 2 DC-9's back out of the Desert.


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User currently offlineBH From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

I would have to agree with "Falstaff", fuel price alone would not be the only determining factor.Since they are owned the cost are a lot lower in the block hours that factor in vs say the A-320.I am sure they have a plan to replace them eventually but why mess with a good thing.You keep throwing them on DET/MSP to BWI/IAD/etc all day and they make money for you.(i guess they do i can only assume like everyone else).

I flew on the DC-9 quite a bit this year and i must say they are in pretty nice shape.Them things just keep plugging away!
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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4262 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 20):
What part of a NW executive telling me this don't you understand?

-------THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS----------GET THE MESSAGE STRAIT

I don't remember his first name, but his last is Phelka...

I don't understand how you actually believe they'll be flying another 30 years! Give me a break. (BTW, the word is "STRAIGHT", not "STRAIT" as in George.)

There are differences between "tongue-in-cheek" references and actual statements. I'm pretty sure this "executive" was either kidding and you took it out of context, or he has absolutely no idea what is going on. Don't believe everything you hear.



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 23):

He said it very seriously, and even I admit I thought he was crazy. But then he reminded me how is NW spending the money to upgrade the interiors. It is possible that NW will retire their oldest DC-9's and keep the younger ones on for 30 years, but even that is excessive...


25 Nitrohelper : If they lose about 30 a year, I guess then about three more years and we have our nwa answer? How much to buy one, not stripped. Will they get cut up
26 N231YE : Mr. Phelka told me this in 2002, maybe 2003, so it was a few years ago. I do not know if the upgrading is complete, or the number of DC-9 that have b
27 Jano : I believe the DC9 upgrades to B717 style interiors were being done around 2001 and/or 2002. The fact that they have been parking DC9s at rate of abou
28 Ordryan28 : I highly, highly doubt 30 years. that's a very, very long time. I would be surprised to see anymore than 7 or 8 years, and that's pushing it. but who
29 Richierich : Renovating the interior is not a big deal. Maybe that would have given NW another 5 years out of some of the beasts (hey, can't have customers thinki
30 Jwenting : A320s bring a lot more money when sold on the open market than do DC-9s. They're also more expensive for NWA because of the interest payments on them
31 Bmacleod : If NWA is able to overcome its labour situation, yes they should park their DC-9s and switch to ERJs or CRJs as fuels prices are not going down at lea
32 Richierich : I wouldn't want to work for an airline that has its long-term future hinging on a fleet of 30 year old gas guzzlers! I get the payments and interest
33 Richierich : Unfortunately, it doesn't look like NW is going to be in a situation to afford new E170/90s anytime soon. To me, they would be the ideal replacement
34 Jwenting : no, I'm implying that the Airbusses may well be more expensive overall to run than are the DC-9s (per airframe), not that any single factor is more e
35 N231YE : NICE...someone else noticed this phenomena too. In a museum of a house that is near me, they still run 85-year old light bulbs. And the museum is ope
36 Post contains images Socal : Northwest needs to keep its 9 fleet, it would be a shame to just get rid of them. Besides, these 9's are great employees, they get the job done.
37 PillowTester : They look great in the new colors.
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