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Most Profitable 747 Routes For Airlines?  
User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 22777 times:

Just wondering, what are the most profitable airline routes for the 747 for different carriers such as:

United Airlines
Lufthansa
British Airways
Qantas
Singapore Airlines
JAL
Eva Air
Cathway Pacific

They can be PAX routes or Cargo routes. Both would be even better!  Smile I figured these are the airlines with the biggest 747 routes. Any info is greatly appreciated  Smile

Thanks,
QXatFAT


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User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 22630 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Thread starter):

JAL has the biggest 747's all types while BA has the biggest 747400.
For BA it would be, in no particular order,
JFK
JNB
PVG
BOM
NRT


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4867 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 22622 times:

I know that for QF SYD-LAX, MEL-LAX, MEL-AKL-LAX are some of their most profitable 744 and 744ER routes.
Similarly NZ uses 744 for MEL-AKL-LAX and AKL-LAX-LHR both of these routes have very good yields. They also often swap out 772ER for 744 on the AKL-SFO route.  Smile



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User currently offlineYULYMX From Canada, joined May 2006, 977 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22471 times:

LH should be FRA-YYZ, FRA-IAD, FRA-ORD

User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22431 times:

BA LHR-LOS.... ....


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User currently offlineKULatICT From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22338 times:

for SQ, i think it has to be SIN-LHR (period)

User currently offlineUNITED777300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 22296 times:

One of, if not the, profitable 747 routes for United must be ORD-HKG. They have the market to themselves and those birds go out full!


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User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 22112 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 4):

Soups is the BA LHR - LOS not T7? Or was that the flight that has now been removed?


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 22089 times:

I would say for UA:-

ORD-HKG
SFO-HKG


User currently offlineLHR777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 22072 times:

Quoting MRURUN (Reply 1):
For BA it would be, in no particular order,
JFK
JNB
PVG
BOM
NRT

JFK is a mix of 744 and 772. PVG is most definitely a 772, we've never flown that with a 744. BOM/DEL do very well for BA, as does HKG, but not NRT, which has seen reduced frequency from many carriers recently and isn't particularly profitable for BA.

I'd say the highest 744 earner for BA is the LOS service.

Quoting MRURUN (Reply 7):
Soups is the BA LHR - LOS not T7? Or was that the flight that has now been removed?

BA75/74 is always a 744. BA137/136 was the evening 3x weekly service, which started as a 763, then moved to a 772 for cargo capacity, before being withdrawn due to Nigerian Government restrictions.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 22052 times:

What about NW ops DTW-NRT, DTW-KIX?

They go out pretty full, but what are the yields like?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 22008 times:
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How about AF GIG-CDG ?

And TAAG - LAD-LIS ?


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User currently offlineMptpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 21748 times:

How about the Korean Air, NCS, AFR Cargo, UPS, Martinair, Polar/Atlas, LH Cargo service flights? Anybody knows about their yields?

User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1041 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 21570 times:

Do you think for UA, LAX or SFO for SYD would be a very high yield?

User currently offlineNicolasRubio From Argentina, joined Sep 2005, 585 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21479 times:

EZE-MAD for AR is quite profitable... One daily 744 which goes out preety full AFAIK... And especially taking into account that IB and NM also have one daily EZE-MAD flight with A346 and A332 respectively... Other EZE-Spain flights include EZE-BCN daily with AR's 744 and IB's A343s and EZE-FOR-BCN with NM's A332... This route/s is/are also very profitable but not as profitable as EZE-MAD IMHO...


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User currently offlineOurboeing From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21380 times:

How about Northwest Airlines?

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User currently offlineJFK998 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21249 times:

For JAL I would assume NRT-SYD to be quite profitable... (I might be wrong)

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21200 times:

Given that they're routes that might also see the A380, I'd say FRA-MIA and FRA-LAX should also be considered very profitable routes. FRA-NRT might also be one of them, but I guess the reason it might be an A380 route has more to do with slot restrictions at NRT than just profitability.

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21097 times:

Like everybody else in this forum, i have no access to internal company breakdowns or route profitability, but I have always been of the belief that LHR to North America, LHR-SYD and LHR-HKG are among the most profitable routes in the world.


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User currently offlineMoek2000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21097 times:

AF JFK-CDG possibly? Seems like a full load of passengers every flight

User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21008 times:

Quoting Soups (Reply 4):
BA LHR-LOS.... ....

Really? LHR to Nigeria? I wouldn't have thought that would be that popular.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9836 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 20960 times:

United's SFO-PVG or SFO-PEK would be my guesses.

I would guess the Kangaroo route is very lucrative for QF and BA.

I think I've heard somewhere that FRA-NRT is very lucrative for LH.

I've heard SIN-HKG-SFO is very lucrative for SQ as well.



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User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 20941 times:

Read an article a few months ago that strongly implied that AF IAD-CDG was one of the most profitable routes in the AF system.

User currently offlineThegooddoctor From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 20726 times:

This one is easy - LAX-SYD and LAX-AUK. I was told by two different UA pilots that these flights usually make around 1 million in profit each flight... (PROFIT)

I'd love to have someone who works up there with numbers in UA back me up or shoot me down on this one!

S



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 20632 times:

Quoting Thegooddoctor (Reply 23):
This one is easy - LAX-SYD and LAX-AUK. I was told by two different UA pilots that these flights usually make around 1 million in profit each flight... (PROFIT)

Well let's look at this. A 744 in UA's configuration carries 347 passengers. A million dollars in profit per flight would mean each seat would have to generate $2881.84 in profit each way. Each way. Now of course you have to consider the flight also carries cargo, but you also have to account for the expense of flying a 744 for 15 hours.

Personally, I don't believe it. Secondly, UA no longer flies to Auckland.



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25 FlyDreamliner : DTW-NRT and MSP-NRT are big routes for NW.
26 KLM685 : I think every airline using the 744 coming into MEX has profits with the route ( with the exception of JL, but i'm not sure) KL LH AF(when they brough
27 Spacecadet : For JAL, I would think the most profitable 747 route would have to be: HND-SPK which has nine, count 'em, nine 747 (100 and 400D) round trips per day,
28 Ktachiya : Don't they fly that one time a day and like three GRU service that goes via JFK? Sorry, I'm lost but where is SPK?
29 Qantas744ER : Flew LH 447 DEN-FRA on Friday the 19th on a 744 in C. the flight was overbooked by 21 seats in economy and 30 in Business! This flight is always full,
30 Spacecadet : Two non-stops JFK-NRT and one that goes through Chicago. I don't know anything about GRU. I don't think they'd route you that way; they'd put you on
31 MAH4546 : The common formula is dense routes with significant O&D and business traffic. In the US, this will include routes like London-Miami, Frankfurt-Chicago
32 767ER : SQs SYD SIN SYD is very profitable after SIN LHR SIN.
33 COSPN : CTS and SPK are next door to each other...many Japanese still use the SPK code but it is the same property just different runways
34 ElmoTheHobo : Yup. There is a significant population of Nigerians living in London, as well as a significant group of wealthy Nigerians who own places in London. M
35 Vincewy : for both BR and CI, amazingly, it's TPE-HKG, even discount economy fares are at least $200 RT, KA and CX charge about the same amount, now we're talki
36 Gemuser : Sorry people but you are ALL GUESSING! Some of them maybe educated guesses, but they are still guesses! This is just about the most closely guarded se
37 Post contains images N174UA : I wonder if maybe he meant when UA did fly LAX-AKL with 744s? Still, we are talking about present day. My guesses: BA: LHR-JFK UA: SFO-HKG, SFO-SYD,
38 QXatFAT : Me personaly, I would guess that NW is making the most money then any other 744 route out there. DTW to NRT. Thats what I think is the biggest route.
39 RoseFlyer : Yes, but it is a lot of fun to guess and see what others think. There are some hints given in SEC filings, but in general, the profitability of a cer
40 Post contains images SAA346 : SAA JNB>LOS Occupancy still runs in the 90's F and C generally 100%. (Soups, we gonna tell the truth about WA routes in general )
41 Wrighbrothers : From my guess, I'd say LHR-JFK or LHR-LAX for BA, coming back from LAX, the plane was completely full, and I believe it's not un-common. No, as far as
42 AA777223 : Well, thanks for the info! You learn something new everyday, although I do have to say that makes perfect sense. I feel stupid for not realizing it m
43 CXA330300 : BA and SA definitely make piles out of LOS and on JNB-LHR. I imagine CX makes a lot between LHR/SYD/LAX/YVR and HKG? And SQ between SIN and SFO/HKG/FR
44 Zkpilot : I think you mean LAX-AKL (New Zealand, AUK is Alakanuk, Alaska, United States). As for the amount of profit per flight, I would say its more in the r
45 Brenintw : In days gone by, CX used to fly the 744 HKG JNB, and I remember those flights almost always being full. Last two flights I took were biz class on an A
46 ZSOFN : Don't mistake high volumes (sure it's a heavy route) with high yields and profits. Average ticket prices on the JFK/LAX routes aren't nearly the same
47 BCAL : Like it has been said above, airlines' most profitable routes are highly guarded secrets otherwise there would probably be calls for the airlines to
48 Richardw : I've never seen BA LHR-GRU go on special offer, so am guessing this is probaly a good one.
49 HKGKaiTak : One route nobody has mentioned yet is QF's SYD-JNB? Given the high fares on this route you'd think (hope?!) that it's a profitable one. Well you'd hop
50 KLMA330 : Of course, KLM has some very profitable routes on the 744, namely, AMS-YYZ, AMS-LAX, AMS-HKG. Billy
51 AeroWesty : AA's 777 service is being cancelled as of the end of October '06, so it doesn't appear to have been a sustainable route.
52 SA006 : CX use the 744 to JNB during peak season. As mentioned , LOS and LHR are the most profitable routes for SAA. LAD is also doing well for SAA and they
53 Post contains images Airbazar : Not too long ago SIN-HKG-SFO was SQ's most profitable route. Do they no longer fly to SFO with 747's? It's no coincidence the flight numbers are SQ01
54 USADreamliner : That is what most people believe. Madrid is not profitable for AR. For the 747 it used to be EZE-AKL-SYD. It is still AR's more profitable route, but
55 FLYACYYZ : Not a chance. Flights are packed, yield and profitability is there, but given the operating costs at Pearson airport, no way it's on the "MOST" profi
56 RoseFlyer : Well Qantas is one of the most profitable airlines in existance, so I don't really think they are in trouble from competition on the route between LH
57 Airbazar : They are a very profitable airline although there are some far more profitable however, things aren't looking that good lately for Qantas, given a ro
58 747hogg : South Pacific HAD the most money making flights on its 747's until those "Mother%$#g Snakes!" got loose!
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