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User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Hi all -

Just a couple of questions. Day after tomorrow I'm flying SLC-SEA on DL. I'll be checking in a firearm. I'm a little nervous as I've never travelled with a gun before. I've read the policy on Delta.com and it shouldn't be a problem. However I'm still a little worried about screwing something up. (Probably just me being paranoid.)

Am I going to be subjected to extra security checks because I'm checking a firearm?

Can I still check-in at the kiosk and then let the agent know when they tag my bag? Or do I have to wait in that monsterously long line for regular check-in? What about online check-in?

Thanks for your help guys.  Smile
Steve

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
Can I still check-in at the kiosk and then let the agent know when they tag my bag? Or do I have to wait in that monsterously long line for regular check-in? What about online check-in?

Sorry, you need to wait in line. I'm 99.99% sure the Delta web site says that about checking a firearm. You must check in at the counter. You will be asked to go into the Ops Office and prove that it is unloaded and I think you need to have a trigger lock and locking gun case. You should not be subject to anymore added security as you MUST leave the weapon with the ticket agents. Also, if taking ammunition it can not be in the same case.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

there will also be some extra paperwork, which will accompany you on the flight so that at your destination you can reclaim the weapon without (hopefully) and trouble.
I have heard though of people getting into trouble going past security on the way out of the terminal after reclaiming their weapons due to overly zealous (renta)cops unfamiliar with procedures and maybe not in the know of the firearms regulations in their state.

Remember you have the constitution on your side, but it's always better to check whether you're allowed to transport the weapon (and if so, how) under the local law where you're heading as well.
Most police agencies and politicians don't bother much with the constitution after all, being more concerned with their own little fiefdoms.



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4145 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Of course, it will probably not be put on the baggage carousel when you get to your destination (if it is an "obvious gun case" per policy). You will need to go to the baggage service office if this is the case.

User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

I was told that since I'm traveling with a handgun, that the locked hard-sided case can be placed within my other checked bag and I reclaim them both at once. Does that seem right?

User currently offlineUlfinator From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Steve,

I have checked my shotgun going to back and forth between SEA and Texas four times now. Twice with DL, once with AA and once with AS. I can't remember if I went through a Kiosk but since that is the only way you do it with AS I did that last time.

Best this you can do is call the airline and ask what their particular procedures are:

In general my experiance has been as such:

Just make sure it is in the locked case when you get to the airport.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
I think you need to have a trigger lock and locking gun case.

You know I am not overly sure about that one but not a bad idea. I didn't have one on my shotgun when I flew this last May but maybe they have changes.

Check in and tell the ticket agents that you have a firearm to declare (Enjoy the looks on fellow passengers faces :-P). They will give you a statement to sign that says that the firearm is unloaded and the case is locked. You open the case and put it in with the firearm and lock the case back up. They will put there luggage tag thingy (sorry for the non technical term) and then tell you to proceed to security station by where you check in.

There TSA will x-ray the case first and then ask for you keys if they fell they need to take a look at it closer. After that they we re-lock the case and give you the keys back and you are done. Pretty painless actually. I usually get there early but haven't actually needed any extra time for the firearm checking.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 3):
Of course, it will probably not be put on the baggage carousel when you get to your destination (if it is an "obvious gun case" per policy). You will need to go to the baggage service office if this is the case.

As far as picking it up on the other end mine has always just shown up at the oversize baggage area where either myself or traveling companion picks it up.

Hope that helps.


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

Great Josh! Thanks for the first-hand info.

Long time no see by the way! How's SEA doing? You & Becky still with Boeing?

I'd be interested to catch up sometime. I'll PM you my cell; give me a call if you feel like it.

Cya.
Steve


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
Am I going to be subjected to extra security checks because I'm checking a firearm?

No, you will not be subject to extra security scrutiny once you have properly checked your firearm in checked baggage.

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
Can I still check-in at the kiosk and then let the agent know when they tag my bag? Or do I have to wait in that monsterously long line for regular check-in? What about online check-in?

No. You must do it the old fashioned way. Paperwork you know.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineRoadrunner165 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 878 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 4):
I was told that since I'm traveling with a handgun, that the locked hard-sided case can be placed within my other checked bag and I reclaim them both at once. Does that seem right?

I believe that is correct. My mom has brought her pistol with her on more than a couple of occasions while traveling and she always kept the gun locked in a hard sided case inside her other luggage. Basically You have the lock on the trigger itself, then another lock on the outside of the hard case, and then another lock on the outside of the luggage bag. Also keep in mind that you can only take so much ammo along and the bullets need to travel in a separate luggage bag then the gun itself. Just make sure you tell the check in agent that you are declaring a firearm and they will know exactly what to do. If you have any paperwork on the gun it might help to bring that along just in case they have questions about that particular weapon, but I dont think my mom ever was asked to prove the gun was registered or anything crazy like that. Finally, make sure the gun is unloaded before you head to the airport.  Smile


Cheers

Adam


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

Start with this BCA.
http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/assistant/editorial_1666.shtm

Don't short sheet any step and you'll be just fine.

Have a hard sided case - doesn't need to be reiforced steel - mine is ABS plastic. Have a lock, with two keys - one in your pocket forever, and one you can give to the TSA moron so they can inspect the bag. They should return that key to you. You'll need to stand there while the bag gets inspected. No big deal.

Check in at the ticket counter . . . you have to declare the weapon . . . no kiosk for you  wink .

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 2):
there will also be some extra paperwork, which will accompany you on the flight so that at your destination you can reclaim the weapon without (hopefully) and trouble.

NOT.

No paperwork at all other than the tag on your checked bag reading "FIREARM".

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 2):
Most police agencies and politicians don't bother much with the constitution after all, being more concerned with their own little fiefdoms.

And that is pure horseshit. You add nothing to this post.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 3):
Of course, it will probably not be put on the baggage carousel when you get to your destination (if it is an "obvious gun case" per policy). You will need to go to the baggage service office if this is the case.



Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 4):
I was told that since I'm traveling with a handgun, that the locked hard-sided case can be placed within my other checked bag and I reclaim them both at once. Does that seem right?

HP is correct is you're traveling with a long gun. If traveling with a pistol - like you intend to do to the BHM meet - it will be in your suitcase on the baggage carosel.

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
I think you need to have a trigger lock and locking gun case.

Wrong

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
Also, if taking ammunition it can not be in the same case.

Wrong

BCA - go read the TSA web site before any other posts here . . . as typical with Civ-Av most of them are WRONG answers.

Want to know the down and dirty, IM me.

Quoting Ulfinator (Reply 5):

Great post. Correct answers and no speculation. WOW! All that and in Civ-Av too!  faint .


User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

Also, most airlines don't allow you to check ridiculously large guns or ridiculously large quantites of ammo. I think the limits are 8 gague or 50 caliber, so almost any gun should be fine. But don't even think about checking that gattling gun mister!

User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2071 times:

Quoting Ulfinator (Reply 5):
They will put there luggage tag thingy (sorry for the non technical term)

Destination tag.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 2):
Most police agencies and politicians don't bother much with the constitution after all, being more concerned with their own little fiefdoms.



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
Quoting Jwenting (Reply 2):
Most police agencies and politicians don't bother much with the constitution after all, being more concerned with their own little fiefdoms.

And that is pure horseshit. You add nothing to this post.

Can we take this to non-av, guys? Cause it'll be a blast (pun) to see!


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

From US Airways web site Steve:

It does not differ from the TSA guidelines.

(Do yourself a favor - do NOT try to pack ammo along for this trip. Buy it in BHM - save yourself and the airline some headache).

Firearms
US Airways will allow passengers to transport firearms in accordance with Federal Law. The following conditions must be met:
Items of shooting equipment will be accepted as checked baggage only.
A passenger who presents baggage containing a firearm must declare and demonstrate that the weapon is unloaded.
Firearms must be packed in a manufacturer’s hard–sided container specifically designed for the firearm, a locked hard–sided gun case, or a locked hard–sided piece of luggage. Handguns packed in a hard–sided gun case may be packed inside a soft–sided piece of luggage. A Conditional Acceptance Tag must be used in this case.
Baggage containing firearms must be locked at all times and the key or lock combination retained by the passenger.
A Firearm Unloaded Declaration form must be signed and placed inside the bag or gun case.
Ammunition must be packed in the original manufacturing package or metal/wood box, with a maximum of 11 pounds per passenger.
There is no limit to the number of items contained in rifle, shotgun or pistol case, up to 50 lbs., 62 inches in maximum


And from the DL website:

Doesn't say much at all. Use the TSA guidelines:

Weapons

Ammunition will only be accepted if it is boxed, small-arms ammunition, it weighs less than 11 pounds, and is packed in checked luggage only.

Firearms will be accepted only if they are unloaded, declared to the agent at check-in, and packed in a suitable container in checked luggage only.

Gunpowder, mace, pepper spray, and tear gas are not allowed.


User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
Hi all -

Just a couple of questions. Day after tomorrow I'm flying SLC-SEA on DL. I'll be checking in a firearm. I'm a little nervous as I've never travelled with a gun before. I've read the policy on Delta.com and it shouldn't be a problem. However I'm still a little worried about screwing something up. (Probably just me being paranoid.)

Am I going to be subjected to extra security checks because I'm checking a firearm?

Can I still check-in at the kiosk and then let the agent know when they tag my bag? Or do I have to wait in that monsterously long line for regular check-in? What about online check-in?

Thanks for your help guys.
Steve

From what I know about checking In, you must let a CSR know you are checking a Firearm. Your Firearm must be packed in a locked hardside case for transport. You must declare it to the Airline and the declaration must be inside with the Firearm. It must be unloaded and if you are carrying ammunition the ammunition must be packed in its original casing or in such a way they can't become dislodged during flight/baggage handling. Stick around in case TSA for baggage screening needs to look inside. That is all. Have a safe trip!


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 13):
Stick around in case TSA for baggage screening needs to look inside.

He MUST stick around TSA until they inspect and clear the bag for transport, if he does NOT the bag will NOT get on the plane. The TSA WILL look inside the bag, and WILL make sure the gun case is approved and has a lock and WILL make sure the suitcase is locked once they have cleared it for transport. You MUST remain at the TSA until they inform you the bag is cleared . . . .


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7361 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2016 times:
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I'd mail the gun instead of flying it. Why subject yourself to all the TSA hoops. Last LAX-AUS flight I took, I got harassed about a Zippo lighter by TSA noobs. I can't imgane what they'll assume with you checking a gun.

Regards.


User currently offlineSwatpamike From United States of America, joined May 2004, 581 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1967 times:

Hello all

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 1):
You will be asked to go into the Ops Office and prove that it is unloaded

At Southwest, at least in TPA FLL and MCO, they will ask to see the firearms right at the counter. I have had great fun holding up my 8 pistols and revolvers and hearing the comments from the 50 people in line behind me.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 3):
Of course, it will probably not be put on the baggage carousel when you get to your destination

My biggest problem with Southwest is that my guns case always ends up on the bag carousel. I have talked to management at 4 different stations about this to no resolve.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
BCA - go read the TSA web site before any other posts here . . . as typical with Civ-Av most of them are WRONG answers.

Steve, do your self a favor and print out both the TSA and Delta's rules for checking a firearm. This way if you have any problems you have everything in writing.

As an example this quote is taken from the TSA web site and I checked Southwest’s site also and it is worded the same.

"You must securely pack any ammunition in fiber (such as cardboard), wood or metal boxes or other packaging that is specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.”

I purchase my 9mm target ammo from Wal-Mart the Winchester Value packs of 100 rounds. A good deal by the way. They are packed in a cardboard box but not in plastic sleeve things. Southwest made me throw away a box of this ammo because they had never seen ammo packaged in this manner. Although it meets all TSA and Southwest rules.

The next time I traveled with ammo I had both the TSA and Southwest rule printed out and had no problems.


Quoting N353SK (Reply 10):
limits are 8 gauge or 50 caliber

Most Customer Service would not know the difference between a 50 caliber rifle or a shotgun.

Cheers

swatpamike


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1959 times:

Though I have never traveled with a firearm, nor do I intend to, I spoke briefly to one of my mom's friends' husband, who had gone on a hunting trip to Montana. He mentioned that the hassle to which you are subjected will vary based on your airport. Down here in SJC, where not many people fly with firearms, they put him through a whole mess of procedures. Up in Montana, where they have a steady stream of hunters visiting the state, it was more routine.


Hydrogen is an odorless, colorless gas which, given enough time, turns into people.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1940 times:

Quoting Swatpamike (Reply 16):
I have had great fun holding up my 8 pistols and revolvers and hearing the comments from the 50 people in line behind me.

 Wow!  rotfl 

I usually have my badge handy . . . at least that way the fifteen old gray hairs in the line don't have cardiac arrest.

Quoting Swatpamike (Reply 16):
Steve, do your self a favor and print out both the TSA and Delta's rules for checking a firearm. This way if you have any problems you have everything in writing.

 checkmark 

Quoting Swatpamike (Reply 16):

I purchase my 9mm target ammo from Wal-Mart the Winchester Value packs of 100 rounds. A good deal by the way. They are packed in a cardboard box but not in plastic sleeve things. Southwest made me throw away a box of this ammo because they had never seen ammo packaged in this manner. Although it meets all TSA and Southwest rules.

I still recommend buging the ammo once there. I certainly am not going to hump five hundred rounds of .40 cal from ANC to BHM . . .


User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1857 times:

Quoting N353SK (Reply 10):
Also, most airlines don't allow you to check ridiculously large guns or ridiculously large quantites of ammo.

The will limit the weight of the ammo, but I don't know of any that restrict based on caliber.

Quoting FXramper (Reply 15):
I'd mail the gun instead of flying it.

and risk federal charges? You can only ship a gun to a federal licensed dealer.


User currently offlineChrisI1024 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Quoting Goaliemn (Reply 19):
and risk federal charges? You can only ship a gun to a federal licensed dealer.

Not true. I shipped a few guns for repair last month. I had to use either FedEx or UPS overnight. The guns were shipped directly back to me (I'm not an FFL) from the company.

From the NRA: Airline Transportation of Firearms

Really important:

Quote:
Cases will not be labeled as containing firearms. That practice was outlawed almost 10 years ago. Federal law now states: "No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm." [18 USC Sec. 922(e)] TSA will warn any airline that is marking cases that it is in violation of the law.

The last thing you want is for there to be some marking on the bag indicating what's inside. Call Delta and see if there's going to be a hassle on this point. If there is, I'd FedEx the firearm.


User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1775 times:

Quoting ChrisI1024 (Reply 20):
Not true. I shipped a few guns for repair last month. I had to use either FedEx or UPS overnight. The guns were shipped directly back to me (I'm not an FFL) from the company.

Read my answer..

Quoting Goaliemn (Reply 19):
You can only ship a gun to a federal licensed dealer.

you shipped to an FFL, which is legal. A FFL can ship the same repaired gun back to the original owner, also legal. You shipping to a non-FFL, illegal.


User currently offlineTod From Denmark, joined Aug 2004, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
You'll need to stand there while the bag gets inspected. No big deal.

No big deal except KTN of all places.
The TSA genius opened the case properly, then turned the case over and re-opened upsidedown, dumping my wife's pretty Kimber 45 onto the floor.
 banghead  banghead 

Quoting ChrisI1024 (Reply 20):
The last thing you want is for there to be some marking on the bag indicating what's inside

 checkmark 

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 18):
I still recommend buging the ammo once there

Probably not a bad idea, but at least for me so far, flying on AS I've never had any ammo problems. Also AS allows you to carry the ammo in the same case as the firearm. That way you only have one firearm case as checked luggage and other can be for bring home more nice Alaska fishies.

Tod


User currently offlineMechEngineer From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1726 times:

Do you guys have any idea how exotic this discussion (especially regarding the non-hunting weapons) sounds for someone who lives in Europe?
I flew MUC-HAM-MUC yesterday, and just can't picture myself checking in an automatic and live ammunition at the LH counter...



Heavier-than-air flying machines...
User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Quoting MechEngineer (Reply 23):
I flew MUC-HAM-MUC yesterday, and just can't picture myself checking in an automatic and live ammunition at the LH counter...

I'm sure it must be a foreign concept for you. But don't make the mistake of thinking all Americans are gun toting fanatics. And I'm not taking an "automatic" (if you mean fully-automatic), I'm merely taking a handgun home for some sport shooting with my brothers. I'm not taking any ammunition. It's just a pistol in a locked case. I don't see the big deal...


25 MechEngineer : I'm not saying it is. BTW, "automatic" is British english for an automatic pistol (in contrast to a revolver), or at least it used to be...
26 Post contains images BCAInfoSys : That's why I clarified. Automatic has come to have a confused meaning. Some people use it denote "fully automatic" (machine guns), whereas you were u
27 Post contains images Falstaff : I travel with a handgun all the time. On NWA I have to fill out this card after I show the check in agent that the gun is unloaded and in a hard plas
28 DL021 : Or you could just do what I told you on the phone.......
29 Post contains images ORDagent : I've got the name of a good shrink to work with you on your compensation issues. But back on topic when I worked for AA weapons a luggage are a daily
30 Falstaff : The only compensation issue I have is that my work doesn't pay enough. ha ha! I know what you mean though, I don't drive a Corvette, which I always h
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