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AF, NW Codeshare CDG-DTW  
User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3129 times:

Just found this press release:
http://double6.airfrance.fr/double6/...b)/en-NLPRL-060821_NW?OpenDocument

Quote:
Starting on September 2, 2006, Air France customers will benefit from 13 weekly flights instead of the former 6 between Paris and Detroit.

Air France passengers will now be able to travel between Paris and Detroit on flights operated by Northwest and sold under the "AF" code. In return, Northwest passengers will be able to fly on Air France-operated flights between Paris and Detroit.

At first sight, a very logical move. However, what I wonder: how did they get governmental approval for this? Weren't there anti-trust issues that AF could not codeshare with NW and KL not with DL? How did they work around this? Does it imply that in the near future, KLM can also codeshare with DL next to NW? Anybody who has more information on this?

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User currently offlineMastaHanky From United States of America, joined May 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3116 times:

Quoting Joost (Thread starter):
Does it imply that in the near future, KLM can also codeshare with DL next to NW? Anybody who has more information on this?

Already happening.

ATLANTA, July 19, 2006 (PRIMEZONE) -- SkyTeam carriers Delta Air Lines and KLM Royal Dutch Airlines today announced that they will start codesharing beyond their hubs, following approval by the U.S. Department of Transportation earlier this year. The two carriers will provide customers with service to destinations in the United States, Latin America, Europe, Africa and the Middle East from their hubs in Amsterdam, Atlanta and New York-JFK.

Initially, Delta is codesharing to 10 KLM markets via Amsterdam including Stockholm, Warsaw, Hamburg, Oslo, Bucharest, Gothenburg, Hanover, Nuremberg, Birmingham and Helsinki. The Delta codeshare flights on KLM will be available for sale in all major reservations systems effective July 20, 2006. Delta intends to grow its codeshare services across KLM's network to more than 30 destinations, pending foreign government approvals.


and

Initially, KLM plans to codeshare on Delta flights to 14 U.S. destinations from Atlanta (Birmingham, Nashville, Charlotte, Charleston, Daytona Beach, Fort Lauderdale, Greenville, Kahului (Hawaii), Kansas City, Miami, Orlando, Raleigh, San Antonio and Tampa), as well as between New York’s JFK and Atlanta. KLM intends to grow the number of codeshare services across Delta’s network.


User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3171 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3082 times:

Quoting MastaHanky (Reply 1):
Already happening.

No, your example is of a codeshare beyond the hubs. AF and NW already had this, as also AF-CO and KL-CO. This new codeshare CDG-DTW is a codeshare between hubs.

Codesharing beyond the hubs does not imply any possible anti-trust violations, for example as KLM may for example only sell the ATL-BNA segment as part of a AMS-ATL-BNA or ARN-AMS-ATL-BNA trip. It does not create any non-competitive situations. Codesharing beyond the hubs is hardly ever a problem, when bilateral agreements (like open-skies USA-NL and USA-France) allow it.

Another example is BA/AA. They can codeshare beyond the hubs, but not between.

Codesharing between hubs awakes the Antitrust organisation and is only allowed in certain cases. Untill now, these were amongst others LH-UA, SK-UA, AF-DL, AZ-DL and KL-NW.

For Delta and KLM, they codeshare beyond the hubs, but they actually do compete with each other on AMS-ATL and AMS-JFK segments. You can see that these flights do not carry each others codes, are not bookable through delta.com or klm.com and the timings aren't coordinated.


User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

The original request for for codesharing and shedule coordination for AZ, AF-KL, OK, DL, NW.

This is only NW-AF codesharing. I do not think there is any schedule coordination involved.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7648 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2944 times:

No, but NW & AF operate their DTW-CDG flights at a different time, allowing passengers to choose from the most desirable flight time.

I believe the AF flight departs DTW at 5:45pm and the NW flight departs at 9:30pm. As for CDG-DTW, I'm not completely sure of the departure times.

The codeshare is a win-win for both airlines and the connections available out of each other's hubs. This also may mean we will eventually see the long rumored MSP-CDG.


User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2841 times:

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4):
As for CDG-DTW, I'm not completely sure of the departure times.

AF flight is after 10am, NW flight is at 2pm.

And now.... any word of NW putting their code on OK coded flights? At least those operated from FRA, AMS, CDG and FCO.

[Edited 2006-08-22 03:32:05]


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7648 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Dunno about OK flights, but you get on them as a KLM codeshare out of AMS which usually works just fine.

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