Antares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 38
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 19289 times:
I hadn't heard anything on this but it sounds pretty exciting.
If true, I'd expect the Embraers to focus on Canberra, where the use of Q400s and Q300s is an insult, especially a Q400 for more than two hours from Brisbane which I did a few months ago. A total disgrace. You don't stick business people in a stuffy horrid little buzz box, and if this is true Qantas is going to get the kicking it deserves.
This would also be a very potent jet for say Hamilton island and the Sunshine Coast, where Qantas enraged its customer base by deploying Jetstar. Ask yourselves. Two by two in an Embraer, or line up and shut up and push and shove so you can get jammed into a Jetstar 320.
This would be a very good move, if true. And even better if Qantas goes out and matches it with the Embraers as well.
Aerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 817 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 18891 times:
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2): 777-200LR services to the USA vs. Jetstar's 787s will stand no chance.
Not entirely true if you look at the routes the aircraft will likely operate on... DJ would probably use the aircraft on the prime routes of MEL/SYD and possibly BNE to LAX/SFO and maybe even ORD/NYC etc... these are prime routes for Qantas, where they use 747's... the 7772LR would have far lower costs than the 744's used by Qantas. If Qantas was to deploy Jetstar armed with 787's onto these routes just to offer flights with lower costs than DJ then they would also be attacking the Qantas premium brand and destroying their own yeilds. Effectively this would Give DJ a nice little posse between the QF brands.... QF would be damned if they did, and damned if they don't. QF would prob be better off leaving these prime routes to QF metal rather than mongrelise the market.
AS384 From Australia, joined Jun 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18765 times:
If there were any truth to the B772LR rumour, then I'd hope the rationale behind such a quixotic equipment choice was :
(a) because the B772LR is available right now (ILFC et al ?) and;
(b) to gazump QF by connecting UA hubs at Chicago and Denver to BNE, SYD and MEL before the B787 can be deployed by Qantas or Jetstar.
DJ should not get into a low margin war of attrition in the USA west coast market quagmire. Overfly 'em all, I say !!
Would it be right to speculate that the newly invigorated (but cash poor) UA likely won't concede bums on seats to anybody (even a potential code share partner, such as DJ) on their existing routes out of California. . .
Antares From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 1402 posts, RR: 38
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18660 times:
People back home think the 777-200LR rumor is wrong but that the Embraer rumor is plausible but at least an hour or so ago there was nothing from any of the proper channels to indicate confirmation or denial.
HKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 18660 times:
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 9): Further, QF can demand a premium RASM on the route. A Virgin Blue 777 wouldn't really.
Who said the US services would come under the existing Virgin Blue brand? It could well be a VS-type full-service carrier for all we know, and I believe they have been making noises about looking at names and standards of service etc for the US route.
I still don't see why they would go with 772LRs ...
And the E190 idea for CBR and Queensland's holiday isles sound fantastic. Would love to see Embraers in Oz!
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 15032 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 18537 times:
this story has been around for a while..
fair use excerpt:
"the international arm of Virgin Blue, however, would be subject to Australia's foreign ownership restrictions. No more than 25% of a carrier can be owned by an individual foreign airline and no more than 35% by all foreign airlines, while foreign ownership is capped at 49%.
Services to the US probably would be launched with 747s leased from SIA, swapping to 777s once operational experience allowed ETOPS"**
Jasond From Australia, joined Jul 2009, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 17399 times:
Quoting Antares (Reply 10): People back home think the 777-200LR rumor is wrong but that the Embraer rumor is plausible but at least an hour or so ago there was nothing from any of the proper channels to indicate confirmation or denial.
The EMB bit I could believe but the 777, I'm not sure. DJ have indicated a desire to extend internationally and sure their fleet of 737's makes them a sizable operator (most are leased BTW) but to operate a much larger aircraft over new routes like this would be a huge step for them surely. Could they launch this by themselves or would they require assistance from others?
Bnamaxx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13081 times:
Virgin Blue from Australia to the U.S. Next year AC starts LAX-SYD with their fifth freedom , right? Isn't the market getting overcrowded with carriers? Is SN going to try and go for approval again? What about EK?
CrossChecked From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12215 times:
The likes of DJ don't care that the market is becoming overcrowded, for they'll likely come in with prices so low that they'll take a massive chunk of the leisure sector. Any DJ service (though I doubt we'll see it) between the US and Australia will, I think, prove to be a big hit with the lower end of the leisure market - namely, backpackers and budget holidaymakers.
The prospect of an "explorer" ticket from the US to Aus and including maybe 5 domestic sectors through Australia, New Zealand and the SoPac is an exciting one.
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12142 times:
Quoting Mariner (Reply 3): Surely the cheaper way to start regional services would be to buy Rex?
don't think so at all. first, i don't think that DJ is interested in 30-seat turboprop aircraft. there might be a market for such a service by Rex, but it doesn't allow for really low seat mile costs. i don't think that aircraft with less than 100 seats would catch the attention of DJ.
DJ must find a balance between low cost and regional service, something like Jetblue is trying with its EMB 190s.
it's more than rumor, more than a year ago, there have been brief articles in Flight International and ATW magazines.
Quoting Onedude (Reply 12): I believe the EMB's are for SYD/CBR/SYD high density service.
unless DJ doesn't get one of those government deals, there is hardly no market for them to serve SYD-CBR as QF has got most of those kinds of contracts. that's why that route did not work out for DJ in the first place.
i think especially out west there are a number of markets which could be served by 100-seat Embraer jets. thinking of Kalgoorlie and Broome here.
also, those birds would allow to increase frequencies to other destinations, which in turn makes for a more attractive product for the business traveler.
If only pure sweetness was offered, why's this bitter taste left in my mouth.