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AA's New Website Soliciting Support For China  
User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 6051 times:

http://www.flytochinaonaa.com/

Will CO, UA and NW launch similar marketing campaings?

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User currently offlineDelta4eva From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 hour ago) and read 6032 times:

That's so ridiculous....."help us open the first route from the South to China".....isn't that what they were up against just 2 years ago when AA was competing against DL's ATL-PEK with their ORD-PVG?

I think it is lame that DL can't compete in this latest round of authorities.



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User currently offlineStyle From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

Its a new low in my book. To ask people to write off on electronic letters to DOT. If a customer wants to show his support he can write to his congressman and take it upon himself.

This is something AA needs to accomplish on its own. Although, an idea is an idea after all.


User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2239 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5906 times:

Quoting Style (Reply 2):
Its a new low in my book

No, it's a saavy yet simple way to give people a way to support something they may find important or potentially useful. It also gives AA an easy way to make people more aware of the process and bring light to something most people aren't aware of. They had a similar website in place when they won the right to fly to Shanghai. It just might work again.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

Quoting Style (Reply 2):
Its a new low in my book. To ask people to write off on electronic letters to DOT. If a customer wants to show his support he can write to his congressman and take it upon himself.

This is something AA needs to accomplish on its own. Although, an idea is an idea after all.

New low? Give me a break! If you want to call it a low (when in reality is good marketing that will support their application demonstrating a true desire to fly the route), fine. Don't call it new. Delta launched a similar and very aggressive marketing effort in 2004, which included a website where customers could submit...get this...electronic letters to DOT!



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5845 times:

Personally, I take my hat off to them for coming up with the idea, although, if they really felt that strongly about the routes importance, would they really need that support and more importantly do the DOT, really take notice of this kind of thing when making their decision??

User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1534 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5800 times:

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 1):

Based on your name alone I can see why you think it's lame. Delta's bid had little going for it. Atlanta isn't well placed for traffic to China, and there is very limited O/D traffic between Atlanta and Beijing to start with. Yes there is a market, but it is tiny.

American's flight just might work considering North Texas' growing ties with China, ties that just don't exist between Atlanta, let alone Georgia a whole and China.

But will agree that it's a shame that Delta can't compete.

I'm also disappointed the DoT is doing the 14 slot alotment over a two year period again. They should hand out the slots for use at the carrier's discretion, not one year after the first incumbent launches their flight.


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 6):
Based on your name alone I can see why you think it's lame. Delta's bid had little going for it. Atlanta isn't well placed for traffic to China, and there is very limited O/D traffic between Atlanta and Beijing to start with. Yes there is a market, but it is tiny.

Taking into consideration the fact that flight distances from most locations east of the Mississippi River to Beijing are shorter over Atlanta than they are over Dallas, I'd say your statement about the relative lack of traffic Delta would attract with an ATL-PEK service is totally unfounded.

Furthermore, Delta has already proven time and time again that business ties between Atlanta and points outside the United States quickly develop and flourish once nonstop service is added. Delta's completely homegrown expansion from a nonentity in the Latin America market to a very strong #3 speaks volumes about the potential not only of the ATL hub, but also of how quickly Georgia is growing: a 26% population increase in the 1990's, and growing diversity.

It is entertaining to see AA touting their newfound desire to open up the Southeast to nonstop China service in light of the way they disparaged DL's application for ATL-PEK back in 2004.

[Edited 2006-08-22 12:05:00]


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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5632 times:

All in all AA has made a nice website; simple to navigate, simple html, useful forms. But I wonder if the map titled Connecting You to China is misleading.
I don’t know much about flight paths, but assuming the flight path to China will be polar, wouldn’t most of those red dots be better served connecting at ORD or EWR?


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2169 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

Is this a joke?

I can't connect to the server!



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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5548 times:

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 9):
Is this a joke?

Nope.

Quote:
FORT WORTH, Texas – American Airlines today launched a special public Web site in support of its application to open nonstop service to Beijing from DFW International Airport in March 2007 and is calling for support from individual travelers, domestic and international businesses, cargo shipping companies and others to take action for this competitive bid.

The site – www.flytochinaonaa.com – will enable travelers, business owners, AA employees and city and civic leaders to easily express their support for American’s application, as well as get detailed information about the proposed route. This bid process is highly competitive with multiple carriers vying for just one route from the United States to China. Only American chose to submit a bid for a route originating in the southern U.S. - an area of the country with no nonstop service to China. Public support is needed to augment American's application to the United States Department of Transportation, and names from the electronic petition will be packaged with American's application to help influence the ultimate awarding of the route.

"We are calling on our millions of loyal customers and the flying public at large to support American's application for the DFW to Beijing daily nonstop route. The ultimate decision about the next U.S.-to-China route will be made by the Department of Transportation early next year,” said Will Ris, American's Senior Vice President of Government Affairs. “Acquiring the route would generate an estimated $120 million to upwards of $200 million annual economic benefit for the North Texas region and it would be the first-ever southern city gateway to China.”

According to Ris, the route would deliver benefits to a vast majority of the U.S. population.

“Passengers in 33 states, or approximately 80 percent of the U.S. mainland population, would benefit from the American route from DFW to Beijing,” said Ris. “DFW is American’s largest hub where we operate approximately 800 daily departures with service to 129 domestic destinations. The new international route would add 30 new cities that would for the first time benefit from one-stop connections through DFW to Beijing."

Sixty-one of those domestic destinations have flights which would allow for an easy connection with no overnight stay. Once travelers arrive in Beijing, there are 21 additional connection opportunities throughout interior China on American's codeshare partner, China Eastern Airlines.

This route would open up substantial business opportunities and job growth possibilities with daily cargo and shipping opportunities, convenient connection schedules and a new portal for importing and exporting goods to and from mainland China.

Currently, there are only three U.S. gateways to China and none are in the southern part of the U.S. The existing gateways include Chicago, Newark and San Francisco. American Airlines currently offers direct service to only one destination in China, via its Chicago-Shanghai service, which launched earlier this year.

“Opening DFW Airport to China travel only makes sense since dozens of cities and millions of people already connect directly to DFW,” said Ris. “People and businesses in the southern and southwestern United States deserve the opportunity for a daily nonstop or one-stop route to China that has not been readily available to them in the past.”

American is providing a link on the www.flytochinaonaa.com Web site that will allow the public to send a letter of support directly to the Department of Transportation. It also enables people to send information about the potential new route to friends, family and associates. The electronic petition can be signed in a few easy steps, and a link will enable petition signers to forward the site to friends, co-workers, and others so they can sign as well.


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2300 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 1):
That's so ridiculous.....

No, DL's 8 777s is ridiculous. What are they going to do, pull the plug on BOM,TLV, or NRT?



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User currently offlineDelta4eva From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 11):

No, DL's 8 777s is ridiculous. What are they going to do, pull the plug on BOM,TLV, or NRT?

No, why don't you work out the aircraft utilization before you make a comment like that. 3 777s used for ATL-TLV and ATL-NRT. 2 777s used for JFK-BOM. That leaves 3 777. Two will be needed for ATL-PEK and an extra can be either used as a spare or added to JFK-BOM to make a JFK-NRT flight with both routes can be done w/ 3 aircraft.

And that's not including the 777s that DL will be taking delivery of in the next 2 years....but you (and half the other people on this forum) will probably say that that is rediculous too because DL is in bankruptcy. I also think that it's rediculous how close AA is with those fellows up in Washington DC, and that being the sole reason why AA got ORD-PVG in the first place.

AA can't even make DFW-KIX flight work out....and their tendancy to be slowly removing all of their Asia flying doesn't help their cause either.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5440 times:

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 12):
to make a JFK-NRT flight with both routes can be done w/ 3 aircraft.

Delta can't do JFK-NRT. They lost the rights to that and LAX-NRT to American Airlines.

Quoting Delta4eva (Reply 12):
AA can't even make DFW-KIX flight work out....and their tendancy to be slowly removing all of their Asia flying doesn't help their cause either.

Huge difference between Dallas-Osaka and Dallas-Beijing. Huge. Of course, Delta couldn't make Chennai work out, nor JFK-NRT, LAX-NRT, PDX-NRT, PDX-TPE, LAX-HKG, JFK-NRT (I'll stop, though of course, there is more). So I guess that means that wouldn't help Delta's cause either, according to your theory? Wrong. It really won't hurt AA that they have dropped out of some Asia markets recently. DOT knows that US-China routes print money. It is not a question of whether or not an airline will be successful with their proposal: they will be. The question is the best use for their
proposal.

AA's proposal is the strongest. The DOT perfers airlines with less dominance in the region and opening up a new US gateway/region to China. And look what the four proposals are bringing:


    *Northwest - 0/2 -They have 21 China flights and are not opening a new gateway.
    *United Airlines - 1/2 - They have 28 China flights, but are opening a new gateway, plus will get good political clout.
    *Continental Airlines 1/2 - They only have 7 China flights, but already fly Newark-China.
    *American Airlines 2/2 - They have only 7 China flights and are opening up the only US-China flights from the Southeast. While that didn't help Delta's proposal, that was when there were other markets taking priority.


It will likely go, IMO, to AA or UA.

[Edited 2006-08-22 22:54:25]


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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5343 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
The DOT perfers airlines with less dominance in the region and opening up a new US gateway/region to China.

I don’t know, then why did the DoT award AA seven frequencies the last go around? The route AA was awarded only served to duplicate an existing service from an established gateway.

IMO if the DoT didn’t approve DL route from ATL the last go around, they would be consistent in not approving AA application this time either.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5327 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 14):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
The DOT perfers airlines with less dominance in the region and opening up a new US gateway/region to China.

I don’t know, then why did the DoT award AA seven frequencies the last go around? The route AA was awarded only served to duplicate an existing service from an established gateway.

To provide competitive service on a busy US-China route from a centrally located hub that provides beneficial connections from all the continental US.

There is no set formula to what the DOT will and will not approve. If there was, then we wouldn't need to all make guesses.



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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

I hope that AA doesn't receive the slots. They aren't committed to a strong international expansion and aren't on the books for longer range aircraft further showing the previous point. Even though DL doesn't have the a/c to implement ATL-PEK at this time, they have shown a commitment towards European and later Asian markets. AA already has some slots and should be grateful for what they have. I say give the slots to CO as they are on the books for 787's,have shown expansion,are profitable,established in Asia,and are highly rated as perhaps overtaking UA/AA as the US's most recognizable carrier abroad. Then when the next set of slots open up, when DL is out of BK, and has some a/c that can handle the route, then give some slots to them.

Just my  twocents 

Cheers from BDL,  wave 
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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5291 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 16):
aren't on the books for longer range aircraft further showing the previous point.

Really? Why don't you check AA's order books, see how you are wrong, and then get back to us on that comment.

[Edited 2006-08-23 00:07:11]


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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5237 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):
There is no set formula to what the DOT will and will not approve.

True
But the best indicator of future behavior is previous behavior.

It should be restated that DL application would have provided massive feed into the largest hub on Earth and open up a Southern gateway, yet it was denied.
So, how is AA current application from a smaller hub also in the South, any stronger than DL denied application?


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 18):
It should be restated that DL application would have provided massive feed into the largest hub on Earth and open up a Southern gateway, yet it was denied.

It was denied because at the time, the DOT considered the weakest arguement for China service.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 18):
So, how is AA current application from a smaller hub also in the South, any stronger than DL denied application?

Hub size is not the sole deciding factor with these awards. A couple of things come to mind, and of course, these are my opinions:
1. So what if ATL is larger than DFW? The number of flights is not relevant in this arguement. What matters is the number of communities who will benefit from one-stop service to China and that there is a justifiable reason that these particular communities are disadvantaged currently. Does the DOT care that DL can provide one-stop Macon-Peking? Probably not unless the need is demonstarted.
2. O&D: this is probably are larger factor than item #1. Arguably Texas has a greater need for diect China service than Georgia - the business ties alone between DFW and China could warrent the flight altogether. Remember - CO is not seeking approval for Houston - AA's bid is the only from the state. Thus AA's application is coming from a new region: the South/southeast (whatever region you want to put it in). UA and CO's gateways 100 or so miles apart. AA was smart to ask for Chicago first, then Dallas. They probably figured if they were awarded Chicago first over Atlanta, that their Dallas bid would be stronger in the second round, which it is.


User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5190 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 19):
The number of flights is not relevant in this arguement. What matters is the number of communities who will benefit from one-stop service to China and that there is a justifiable reason that these particular communities are disadvantaged currently.

Agreed.
This will benefit CO, as they can just as easily argue that the number of flights from DFW is also not relevant.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 19):
O&D: this is probably are larger factor than item #1.

Agreed
This will also benefit CO, as they can just as easily argue that, the O&D of Americas business capital and it’s underserved link between China’s business capital is more significant than what little O&D may or may not exist in North Texas.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5168 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 18):
It should be restated that DL application would have provided massive feed into the largest hub on Earth and open up a Southern gateway, yet it was denied.
So, how is AA current application from a smaller hub also in the South, any stronger than DL denied application?

Because you have to weight it against the other options. Compared to CO and AA's application, DL's was weakest.

Compared to UA, NW, and CO's applications, AA's is, arguably, strongest.

You can't compare the needs of 2004 with those of 2006. In 2004, there were more important gaps to fill in the US-China market than opening a Southern gateway - namely what was awarded: a competing service on a key route and service from New York City. Now, opening a Southern gateway is a higher priority, especially when you compare it to what the other three applications offer.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32176 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 20):
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 19):
The number of flights is not relevant in this arguement. What matters is the number of communities who will benefit from one-stop service to China and that there is a justifiable reason that these particular communities are disadvantaged currently.

Agreed.
This will benefit CO, as they can just as easily argue that the number of flights from DFW is also not relevant.

You agree with him, yet then you say the opposite of what he said. The number of flights isn't the issue. It is the number of new gateways open to new one-stop/quicker China flights that matters. AA wins this argument over everbody else, hands down.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 20):
Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 19):
O&D: this is probably are larger factor than item #1.

Agreed
This will also benefit CO, as they can just as easily argue that, the O&D of Americas business capital and it’s underserved link between China’s business capital is more significant than what little O&D may or may not exist in North Texas.

O&D between China and Texas is not so insigificant that it will strongly disadvantage AA's application. The fact that CO already flies EWR-PEK and EWR-HKG will hurt them more than the lack of O&D will hurt AA.



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User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
You agree with him, yet then you say the opposite of what he said. The number of flights isn't the issue. It is the number of new gateways open to new one-stop/quicker China flights that matters. AA wins this argument over everbody else, hands down.

Actually no. The DoT was right, in that they rightly denied DL massive feed argument. So if the DoT past decisions are any indication of their future decisions, then they will also rightly deny AA massive feed argument this time as well.

If anything you’re agreeing with me, that number of flights feeding into a hub does not matter. Big grin

[Edited 2006-08-23 01:39:38]

User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17):
Really? Why don't you check AA's order books, see how you are wrong, and then get back to us on that comment.

Wow, someone is a little ill tempered. Gee I'm sorry for not being more detailed in my research, but I don't think that attitude is warranted. Ok so I made an honest mistake, the right and mature thing to do would be to point it out in a less antagonistic attitude. I don't think this forum was meant to antagonize members who made a mistake, like those who say HP as American West. When somebody does that, everybody jumps all over him. I only hope that maybe this animosity to those who make errors on this forum can be suppressed.

Best Regards from BDL,  wave 
DeltaGuy767



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25 CXA330300 : Isn't it more logical to have an EWR-PVG flight? The potential market (Shanghai and New York are major financial centres, there's a huge tourism and V
26 Corey07850 : CO is doing the same, albeit not on a public site.... They have this on the employee site's homepage: "CO is competing for DOT authority to operate Ne
27 CXA330300 : Isn't it more logical to have an EWR-PVG flight? The potential market (Shanghai and New York are major financial centres, there's a huge tourism and V
28 Ssides : Well, DL's bankruptcy and tendency to tinker with all-out liquidation doesn't help its cause.
29 SeeTheWorld : Frankly, it's a nice way to get your employees involved, but the DOT assumes that every employee of each airline supports new route applications. Whe
30 ElmoTheHobo : American doesn't need to order anymore aircraft to operate a DFW-PEK flight. AA will have a couple of 777 they could move to Beijing. Remember Americ
31 Commavia : So now the DoT is in the business of picking which airlines are truly "committed to a strong international expansion?" Sorry, must have missed that p
32 Ssides : Kudos, Commavia. _
33 SeeTheWorld : You're exactly right. All you have to do is read the Orders in route authority cases to get an appreciation for the issues that are most important. W
34 Commavia : Agree 100%. Everyone in this case was extremely shrewd in their selection of which route to apply for. It has been fascinating to watch these dominos
35 B2443 : Well, out of the 800 flights, how many would be the real feeders to DFW-PEK? American Eagle flies to Peoria, IL, you probably wouldn't expect people
36 Commavia : On its own, none, but political interference always plays a part, and it can't hurt that the nation's second-largest congressional delegation happens
37 B2443 : SFO or ORD, no? UA has them covered. So what are DOT's criteria in awarding an airline then?
38 SeeTheWorld : I absolutely agree - I believe AA has a slight edge. As mentioned by in a previous post, CO's riff with the DOT regarding the airline ownership rule
39 102IAHexpress : Excellent point. IMO no matter how it’s broken down, CO EWR application benefits the most people. On the merits and facts alone, CO application is
40 Ssides : Many people in the New York area already have non-stop service to China. That's not the case for 22 million+ Texans, along with countless millions in
41 OA412 : If we're talking about the Far East then yes DL has shown less commitment to the region than AA. Although, I do doubt that the current leadership at
42 Ssides : Yes, but traffic on ATL-TLV and JFK-IST resembles European traffic much more than it resembles traditional Asian traffic.
43 SeeTheWorld : Once again, commitment to Asia is irrelevant in this case because of the players (CO and AA). Having said that, it's really hard to ignore the fact t
44 Kanebear : AA doesn't serve HKG either. They only codeshare with CX. That said, I have to disagree with this premise entirely. HKG and China are two very differ
45 Daron4000 : So at the beginning, I thought that the DOT had 14 slots to allocate to two different carriers/routes but now, it seems like there are only 7. What is
46 Commavia : As far as I know, it was only ever for seven weekly passenger frequencies, to be awarded only to an incumbent carrier in the market (meaning American
47 Post contains links 102IAHexpress : Looks like CO has set up a form on their website. Though not as flashy as AA's. http://www.continental.com/web/en-US...D=F8064C79B66743689209144AAFEA
48 B2443 : I've been wondering about the DOT criteria...and yet they've never been clear. Since MU is going to start PVG-JFK in Dec 2006, wouldn't one think CO'
49 Commavia : Well, it all depends on your viewpoint. Certainly, Continental would be providing new "choice" and "competition" in the New York-Shanghai market whic
50 MAH4546 : No, there are 14. However, only seven of them can be used to Shanghai, Beijing, or Guangzhou. The other seven - for which nobody has applied - can be
51 Post contains images PEK18R36L : This of course assumes that bankers flying to China are coming here primarily to talk to other bankers. This isn't entirely the case. Note several fa
52 Commavia : MAH, thanks for clearing that up. I did not fully understand what was at stake. Question to all: if there are an additional 7 weekly frequencies avai
53 BigGSFO : Perhaps NW and UA threw their hat into the ring for long-haul service knowing that the odds could be against them and that CO or AA surely would not
54 Flyguy1 : I did not know this was going to happen. Was this ever announced in the press, or even on airliners.net? Can anyone give the details about flight tim
55 Post contains images NYCFlyer : could you please fill us in as to what "huge tech sector" exists in eastern Colorado? is there a different state you meant? Oklahoma, New Mexico, Lou
56 EWRCabincrew : I thought DL wasn't up for route authority in '07. They are in '08. The only carriers eligible for the '07 route were incumbent carriers (AA, NW, UA a
57 Post contains images FXramper : Dunno if it helps DFW and AA lobby for PEK, but FX is flying to China from Dallas Ft Worth area effective 1 Sept. Routing is AFW-ANC-CAN. Would love t
58 102IAHexpress : True. But IMO I think CO would be wise to propose IAH PVG in 2008. Of all the fortress hubs in the South, IAH is the only one that could provide feed
59 Post contains links Carnoc : Well, not too many days left in knowing the final desicion by DoT, but my personal vote goes to AA this time. Surely CO's application between EWR-PVG
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