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NW DC-10 Returns To AMS For ''security Reasons''  
User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4268 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 20113 times:

This morning NW DC-10 N234NW returned to AMS due to 'security reasons'. It was operating flight NW42 AMS-BOM.

2 RNLAF F-16 Fighter Jets were scrambled to accompany this aircraft back to AMS, were it made a direct landing on rwy 27.

According Dutch press agency ANP the Dutch military police took a few from board for questioning. Will be continued I guess...


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5131 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 20063 times:

The Associated Press reports Dutch F-16s escorted a Northwest Airlines flight bound for India back to Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport and that authorities later detained several passengers for questioning, an airport spokeswoman said.

User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1688 posts, RR: 31
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 19976 times:

N234NW; flight now shown as 'cancelled' to BOM...


don't throw away tomorrow !
User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5131 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 19712 times:

Update:

Military police arrested 11 persons and are questioning them now. Also the crew is being questioned. Still no news what happened onboard ..


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2191 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 19658 times:

Quoting KL911 (Reply 3):
Military police arrested 11 persons and are questioning them now. Also the crew is being questioned. Still no news what happened onboard ..

Were those people arrested or detained? There is quite a big difference between the two.


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 19564 times:

Here's the CNN version...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/23/schiphol/index.html

And BBC version...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5278092.stm



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User currently offlineLordg From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 19514 times:

Airport police say there have been no arrests-bbc


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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 19208 times:

One of the television "news" channels said that there were only 149 passengers on board. I thought India flights were packed and lucrative? Maybe it's good that United stays out of the market.

User currently offlineSeeTheWorld From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1325 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 19168 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 7):
One of the television "news" channels said that there were only 149 passengers on board. I thought India flights were packed and lucrative? Maybe it's good that United stays out of the market.

It's one flight on one day - hardly a representative sample to make sweeping generalizations like that.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 19061 times:

An MSNBC.com story on this noted that the destination of this flight was to Mumbai, where there were those horrible train bombings about a month or so a go. Thus, there is probably greater watching of passengers to prevent any other like attack or on an aircraft going there and may not have realized some people who are on or have similar names to those on 'no fly' lists were on board until after the flight took off. Hopefully by later today we will get some news as to why these people were removed from the flight and being questioned.
As to only 149 on board, this is a Tuesday, normally a slow day of the week for air travel worldwide. I am quite sure Friday-Monday flights are very full.


User currently offlineTimology From Netherlands, joined Jan 2006, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 18941 times:

More info at Nu.nl (Dutch only)

The plane dumped fuel over the IJsselmeer.



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 18825 times:

off hand it seems like a bunch of morons on flights, having no clue how to behave in air these days. I would suppose a person with wrong intent would not behave oddly on flight...
anyway it is still a developing situation.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 18346 times:

I thought I heard something about one or more of the passengers were acting suspicuous.


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6465 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 18190 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 12):
I thought I heard something about one or more of the passengers were acting suspicuous.

Where would you have heard this, as it happened in Europe?


User currently offlineVatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 958 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 18041 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 13):
Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 12):
I thought I heard something about one or more of the passengers were acting suspicuous.

Where would you have heard this, as it happened in Europe?

He probably heard some talking head "expert" on TV mention it, or a radio morning show talking about it without having any real facts.



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User currently offlineA319114 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 18041 times:

Communications between ATC, NW42 and two F16 scrambled to escort the DC-10 have been recorded and are available on the internet

http://fmc.dotnet-services.nl/waves/nw42_intercept.wav



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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1791 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 17807 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 7):
One of the television "news" channels said that there were only 149 passengers on board. I thought India flights were packed and lucrative?

Not quite and certainly not always.

I flew on the HYD-AMS KLM MD11 flight last year and there were exactly 20 passengers on board.
And on most of my other flights to India, I have always seen lots of empty seats.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2178 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 17623 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 13):
Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 12):I thought I heard something about one or more of the passengers were acting suspicuous.
Where would you have heard this, as it happened in Europe?

Heard this on radio-canada too. Absolutely not precise. I guess they did not have any more information...



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 17585 times:

KSTP-TV just said that the 12 passengers got up, got together in one area of the plane, and started using cell phones. They also said the 12 people have now been arrested.

Mark


User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 17384 times:

According to CNN, the 12 passengers have been arrested.

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3099 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 17157 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 16):
And on most of my other flights to India, I have always seen lots of empty seats.

The return flight to the US will be chock full......August is a very heavy month for India to USA travel.....

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 18):
They also said the 12 people have now been arrested.

Any info on the backgrounds, nationality of these pax....?


User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 976 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 16947 times:

Background info? That would be politically incorrect to reveal.

But what the hell. I have it on excellent sources that they were 12 demented, blue haired Swedish Christian Grandmothers, between the ages of 64-73, and they were demanding that the Dutch authorities immediately stop the consumption of herrings displaced from the North Sea. If their demands were not met, they were going to blow up the aircraft as it approached Mumbai International, which when you think about it, was a perfectly reasonable set of demands.

We can only wonder just how much styling gel they were carrying in their handbags to carry out the dastardly deed.



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3942 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 16899 times:
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probably 12 white americans...............


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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3099 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 16841 times:

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 21):
Background info? That would be politically incorrect to reveal.

Sorry pal...I appreciate your attempts to be politically and socially correct....but in today's world, it is very important to know who these people are (in case they were genuinely guilty of any wrongdoing).....

If they were indeed blue haired Swedish Christian grandmothers, we have a right to know, so that in future, we can be careful of blue haired Swedish grandmothers....  Big grin

[Edited 2006-08-23 19:31:55]

User currently offlineLowecur From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 16661 times:

I'll bet they will all be released shortly. The Islamists are just playing mind games. If they can get people nervous about flying, that is still an effective way of dragging down the airlines economically. Also, racial and religious profile discussions will take a confrontational tone....which plays right into the terrorists hands. Any time you can get the media into these types of hysteria headlines, it benefits terrorists.

This type of behavior should be banned on all airline travel. At the very least all of these individuals should have their names placed in the computers and never be able to book a flt again. Let em take a train.

[Edited 2006-08-23 19:41:20]

25 GeorgiaAME : There isn't a shred of doubt in my mind that they will all be released shortly! We wouldn't want to get Amnesty International involved in this, would
26 EHHO : Wow... I just got to my hotel in Mumbai after flying AMS-ZRH-BOM with LX. Despite me coming from AMS, security here in BOM didn't give me any special
27 SK601 : Nothing to do with this situation. A/C was supposed to arrive in AMS monday, but has a technical problem and therefor grounded.
28 YYZYYT : In other words, the full weight of the Dutch legal system will be thrown at them?
29 Jwenting : yup. Nothing special at Schiphol today. No extra security, no additional police visible outside the terminal or in the Plaza. No nervous KLM and airpo
30 Jaysit : Any moron who uses a cell phone in flight should be thrown off the plane. Twelve morons using them together should be arrested and force fed NW's "de
31 Superhub : Probably a flash mob.
32 CALMSP : i dont quite understand why the pilot needed F16s to escort the plane down. does that make the pilot feel safer b/c he has two planes on either side o
33 Post contains images UA777222 : I think in the event of a cockpit intrusion there is an extra option of security for not only the passengers but for those under and around the aircr
34 Gr8Circle : I don't think the pilot has any say in that....they're probably there to shoot down the aircraft if it is hijacked and tries to make any dangerous mo
35 777fan : Maybe it's because it was a NW flight to India! (cheap shot, I know) Really, really big ears. Seriously, though, it's reassuring to see that no matte
36 Bobnwa : The NWA pilot had nothing to do with that decision. That would have been decided by the Dutch.
37 CALMSP : according to media reports the pilot had requested a military escort back to AMS.........
38 Reyes27 : zing!
39 UA777222 : Have to disagree. The Dutch were not aware of the reasons for which the aircraft requested the jets along with the reasoning for returning to AMS. It
40 UA777222 : Please note they are now noting 12 arrested. Then again, it is Fox News... Matt
41 Post contains images ChrisNH : I wonder where in Vermont these 12 people live?
42 UA777222 : One last question; I flew out of AMS to IAD or ORD about 4-5 years ago [I know we left from one of the two and went to the other on the return, my gue
43 RIXrat : For quite some time BBC had held back that the 12 were only "held." But now both BBC and CNN say that all 12 were indeed, "arrested." Unless these peo
44 Plane Holland : for as far as I know only US Flights out of AMS. I think IAD always has the 777? And ORD had the 763
45 Post contains links AsstChiefMark : "A U.S. government official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the subject, said crew members and air marshals obs
46 Jaysit : I hate to say this, but some Indian passengers have a distinct inability to follow rules. I've seen passengers on India bound flights get up seconds a
47 Plane Holland : don't deny the truth...
48 Post contains links AsstChiefMark : Like this? Mark[Edited 2006-08-23 22:45:17]
49 Post contains images Lamedianaranja : Tonight, no big deal. All restrictions to the UK have been lifted a couple of days ago and no extra measures taken after NW42 returned. I don't know
50 Post contains images KLMNW : I worked today at AMS and it was a day like any other
51 SeeTheWorld : It's FEAR run amok, AGAIN! Where's the common sense - 12 people passing around cell phones during take-off. That's your first clue that it's not terro
52 DL021 : I applaud the airline, police and military responses here. Unusual behaviour was observed and action taken to mitigate the risk to other travellers. A
53 Panamair : To be honest. none of us were actually there to witness the incident..all these dribs and drabs of information coming out of a trigger-happy media on
54 Pillowtester : It's interesting to see a DC-10 in news pictures and film... instead of a modern twin like it always is.
55 Post contains images United787 : Thanks for the comic relief.
56 Indianabridou : "They were not paying attention to what the flight attendants were saying," an unnamed female passenger said on NOS television. read this on Yahoo.uk
57 Post contains images ATCme : I'm just wondering what an American Air Marshall is doing on a plane from one not-america country to another. The article said that the passengers' ac
58 Meta : I hate to tell you this..but people do stupid things..just after 9/11 I remember a domerstic flight from Laguardia (I think it was Delta) took off and
59 SeeTheWorld : Exactly, and if a plane turns back every damn time somebody does something stupid, then over time people and airlines will grow tired of the over-rea
60 Aseem : I think there is considerable need for passenger education. Going by the trend these days, I'd be even scared to ask the registration number of the ai
61 777STL : I've seen plenty of dumbass Americans do similar things.....
62 Dc10rules : Well said. Tim from ORD.
63 Hawk44 : Flying on a US carrier and FAMS are not limited to just US domestic flights Hawk44
64 GeorgiaAME : Yeah, the very same guy who handed Eastern Europe over to Stalin in 1945, against the better wishes of Winston Churchill for a brief 44 year lease. A
65 F9Animal : Perhaps it is because it is a US registered aircraft. Good question though. Whatever the case, I am glad to know the FAM's are lurking!!!!
66 Post contains links Halibut : Well, When there are extreme fundimentlists in the world being bread from there youth by Totaliarian , Terrorist countries to hate & kill everyone wh
67 LeftWing : BUNCH OF DRUNKS ASKING FOR MORE WHISKEY + SODA...nothing more... the real terrorists are too smart to fly in turbans,beard and baggy clothes. Aseem !A
68 Jano : All I can say those were terrible times. I'm glad it's over. Regarding NW42... let's way until we know more facts and then make conclusions about wha
69 AsstChiefMark : How do you know that? And why would they be looking into plastic bags, passing cell phones between themselves, and using their cell phones during cli
70 SeeTheWorld : Wow! That was a rambling mess. My only point was we are not being very effective in our security procedures and that may have the same result as Chic
71 Post contains links and images Halibut : Quoting SeeTheWorld (Reply 70): Yes it was, and I'm from DC and had several friends killed on that day I'm sorry to hear that ! However, one would thi
72 FLY2LIM : See? It's these types of irresponsible comments that make me so angry. Only 11 were grandmothers, the 12th never married. Sheesh!!!!! I have never, i
73 Yellowstone : To be fair, his other option would have been to start a war with the USSR, which he felt (quite correctly, IMO) would have been disastrous, since we
74 Ikramerica : Hardly. I can count on one hand the number of times I've seen that behavior in the USA in my lifetime. American fliers do tend to follow the rules be
75 PanHAM : I agree with Ikramerica and hope that this post is not deleted. Would be interesting to know, what nationality the 12 passsengers are. Apart from Swed
76 Jamake1 : That was too rich! Um, SeeTheWorld: We live in a post 9/11 environment and are in the midst of two military conflicts in the Middle East. Security th
77 Kappel : They were not Indian according to a passenger who was sitting next to one of the arrested people. That person also said he saw nothing suspicious. So
78 Lamedianaranja : It seems a lot of you don't realise it were the air marshalls on board who took action, not some fellow passengers. They get paid to do their job wel
79 PanHAM : I don't know about ETA and IRA but I do not remember any hijackings done by these groups. The RAF contracted out to the PLO and guess to what group t
80 RootsAir : Whre did the A/c come from before leaving to Mumbai ?
81 Post contains links LTBEWR : http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/nation/15343993.htm The above link is to the latest news including what happened and there is an inter
82 SeeTheWorld : You completely missed my point. If we turn a plane around and/or kick eveyone off a plane that acts stupid or strange we are going to fail in our att
83 Post contains images Halibut : 911 changed everything . Never before did terrorists kill so many people in one shot nor did we know how ruthless they are . Again , the problem we n
84 CRGsFuture : How bout we leave the politics in the situation for the politicians. This is an aviation form, no need to go over the top with terrorism
85 Jaysit : You've seen the movie too, eh? And your point is what?
86 Halibut : Now that's a whopper, Another hypocritcial statement by you SeaTheWorld & not to mention extremely naive on your part ! Yes , We do live in A free co
87 GeorgiaAME : In other words, passenger safety is not a political issue? The decision not to bring liquids onto aircraft is not a political issue? Passengers refusi
88 SeeTheWorld : Honestly - Why is that hypocritical? And, your comments are ridiculous. You are putting words in my mouth. I never said anything like you're intimati
89 Post contains images Gr8Circle : I believe NWA is an American carrier....? Have you been hiding all this time....? There have been several terrorist incidents in UK, Spain, India, In
90 Texdravid : The rude Indian passenger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As many of you know, I recently flew to Ind
91 777STL : Like the big herds of people that gather in front of the gate doors during the zone boarding process? Like the b**** that decided to recline her seat
92 Post contains images Halibut : SeeTheWorld, You are hilarious dude ! All these fictitious statement aimed at me by you are completely bogus . You are simply a dog barking in a mirro
93 Jaysit : Looks like these 12 individuals have been freed. Most were Indian nationals; all were born in Bombay. Probably hyperactive Gujjus who can't sit still
94 Post contains links Blrsea : Nope, all are muslims from Bombay. 'Our relatives are traders not terrorists' Indians arrested in Netherlands charged for flight disruptio Air scare:
95 SeeTheWorld : Dude - You're ridiculous, and I'm done responding to your nonsense. If you want to get a sense of my background and my thoughts on aviation, read som
96 Gr8Circle : Just read that all 12 concerned were Bohra Musilms from Mumbai......for those who do not know, Bohras are a well educated and prosperous community of
97 Historic747 : So per you, Gujjus are hyperactive, North Indians look like Arabs (from another thread). How about Sikhs? This is not relevant to the topic. You prob
98 Gr8Circle : Whoever said this was smoking pot.....
99 Halibut : I was just referring to the US & no I did not have the attitude of {screw the rest of the world}. Nor would I ever be so limited to call a nation or
100 Jaysit : Sikhs make the best lachha parathas. And Daljit Dahliwaal, a British Sikhni, is gorgeous.
101 Co7772wuh : Excuse me ! What exactly are you saying here , hah ? That all americans are as rude & obnoxious as you ? I think not ! Pot kettle Black !
102 Historic747 : And Manmohan Singh makes the worst PM...and KPS Gill makes a supercop.
103 Post contains images Historic747 : Oh yes and to add...Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale made a lousy terrorist and General Kuldip Brar a hero
104 Jaysit : I disagree, but that's best left for another forum...
105 Post contains images Historic747 : awesome...so you agree with rest! See you in another forum
106 Post contains links Blrsea : What happened on board KLM flight NW042
107 Yellowstone : Halibut, I think SeeTheWorld's original point, which is quite valid, is that the current state of heightened awareness/fear/paranoia (depending on who
108 PanHAM : this thread is fading out and with all the Inidan names which are meaningless to most of us, could it be that the 12 guys are somehow related to that
109 AsstChiefMark : It still doesn't explain why a group of people who know they're REQUIRED to sit down, buckle up, and switch off the electronics would intentionally d
110 HAWK21M : That an AOG. Its on the News since yesterday.Interviews with their Family members & the other PAX. regds MEL
111 Post contains images Gr8Circle : ....just the sort of indignant reaction I expected.....but I'm afraid, what I said is true....global terrorism for the average American, happens only
112 Post contains images HAWK21M : About India policy on War on terror....Noticed a Change after the public outcry since the Mumbai serial blasts. This time options are different. On t
113 Post contains images Gr8Circle : No MEL, not really different at all.....following the Mumbai blasts (which killed couple of hundred people), India suspended the so-called 'peace tal
114 Jaysit : They're not f*cking stupid. They're the kind of Indians who have gone through life believing that rules are to be broken or that they're too minor to
115 Post contains links Blrsea : Unfortunately, the behavior of Indians on AI/IC flights, or on flights entering/leaving India is much different from the ones on foreign shores. As s
116 DIJKKIJK : Not really. In most of my flights to Indian (usually on LH/KLM) I find the passengers very well behaved, which is why this incident surprises me. Eve
117 Historic747 : I thought United and Lufthansa had great grandmas while SQ & CX (& ofcurse a few other) were the only ones with pretty/petite FAs. Not that it makes
118 Post contains images Halibut : You're on medication my friend ! So you are now saying that the US should intervene on the Indian situation ??? I have a feeling India can take care
119 Jaysit : True. But it takes only 5 passengers out of 350 to turn a perfectly uneventful flight into one that involves ornery FAs, indignant fellow passengers,
120 Blrsea : Nope, what he is basically saying is that if terror attacks occur against western( including Israel), then these countries are perfectly right in tak
121 Post contains images Gr8Circle : As you rightly point out, India can take care of itself in such matters....the last thing they need is US intervention!! Would you care to point out
122 Post contains images Gr8Circle : What exactly are you so gleeful about? And where did I "contradict" myself? Buddy, please look up the dictionary for the meaning of these words befor
123 Post contains images Halibut : Oh com'on Blrsea & Gr8Circle ! If you think for one moment that if India really wanted to go full throttle and attack the responsible parties , you a
124 HAWK21M : Its True India has been too paitent in its War on Terror.We need to safeguard our Interests as others are safeguarding theirs.Strike those camps rathe
125 Post contains images Halibut : Blrsea , Even though I may see things differently as you do . I would like to thank you for sharing your point of view in a civil , mature manner . H
126 HAWK21M : Its on the News.The concerned Folks returning back home at the Airport.Their side of the story seems different.Why wern't they allowed a call to their
127 Post contains links Aseem : Hindustan Times going by their story, I feel rather sympathetic. Gone are they days when one could really enjoy flying. Nowadays only a few are in a
128 Halibut : Assem, I'm sorry you feel that way . However , in time , I am confident the airline industry will learn be much more efficient & far less bothersome
129 HAWK21M : I guess the people concerned were too casual in their approach & did not take the FAs seriously,added by the existing situation. My only concern is Wh
130 777way : Is it a coincidence that they all happened to be Muslims, not a single one is Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Bhuddist or Zorastrian, racial profiling for sur
131 Aseem : a point!! do the F/As and crew have resources to tell whether the pax where Muslims and not Hindus? As far as I know, westerners are clueless about M
132 Afay1 : Ok, so basically it was a misunderstanding caused by some over-tired Indian guys who essentially did act suspiciously and sketched-out their fellow pa
133 Post contains images Historic747 : Unfortunately the Indian govt. and the Indian economy can not sustain a war with its neighbor at this point. The presence of nuclear arsenal with bot
134 Jaysit : What do you mean "racial profiling" for sure? I'm sure that even though at least 75% of those on board the NW flight were of Indian descent showcasin
135 Historic747 : You are wrong. FAs who travel around the world can reasonably differentiate among Hndus, Muslims and Sikhs. People are not as dumb as you think they
136 Aseem : there is no way a Westerner can differentiate between Hindu, Muslim and non-turbuned Sikh. I cannot!! I'd doubt an american F/A would ask fellow Indi
137 Swissy : Actually I was on AC878 YYZ-ZRH-DEL and they had at least 3 Indian f/a's on board and they were communicating with the passengers..... and they did n
138 Historic747 : I think they can based on a combination of different attributes (name, looks, turban (dressing) etc). I think these days even a high school kid in th
139 Aseem : and what percentage of times will the "guess" be correct? And what exposure does an average American kid has about various names going around in Indi
140 Post contains images Historic747 : Relax. What are you trying to prove using your name? And just becasue your name might catch many by mistake does not mean one stops profiling using n
141 HAWK21M : The Real Islamic Terrorist would never wear a typical Kurta Pyjama & talk urdu.In fact they would dress & talk like westerners. The Foreign states are
142 Bennett123 : Afay1 (reply 132) When I was in Cairo, I saw a guy with a badge on his jacket that said United States Paratrooper. Needless to say I did not stand nex
143 PanHAM : Could have been bought from an army surplus store in Cairo or anywhere else, right? I have been reading Afay1's post and you are not reflecting ón w
144 Bennett123 : Afay1 I mean on my last visit to Egypt, did I run around downtown Cairo with a bottle of vodka, some bacon, and a Star of David t-shirt? No, I didn't,
145 Aseem : Nobody is defensive over here! The issues is that profiling or not, there is no way an average american adult can figure out from name what a person'
146 Historic747 : Unlike India where you can have 10 bombs blow up and the Government remain supremely ignorant about it????? You seem to have a very negative assessme
147 Jaysit : I don't know what fantasy world you live in, but most American FAs couldn't tell the difference between a Sikh or OBL's turbaned minions. In fact, I
148 Bobnwa : Since when is Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Christian, Buddhist etc, a race. They are all religions.
149 Post contains images Blrsea : Talk about being paranoid!! Between two similarly dressed people, even Indians cannot say who is hindu or muslim or sikh ( if without turban/beard),
150 Afay1 : Does anybody care? He caused a big problem on the airplane through his own arrogance. I hope his daughters (hopefully daughters) are shaming him!
151 AsstChiefMark : No. But he looks aggressive based on the reaction of the two women. Mark
152 Post contains images Gr8Circle : I see you're hooked onto that rather unfair comment I made to start with....well, I do retract it.... After all the nasty exchanges we've had, I'm de
153 Aseem : If I am not wrong, then you are joking. rgds VT-ASJ
154 Post contains images Historic747 : And I feel you do. Especially after reading your remarks like North Indians look like Arabs, Gujjus are hyperactive and American FAs are clueless. It
155 Post contains images Gr8Circle : By and large, you're absolutely right....it is difficult to tell.....but in this particular case, with their dresses, flowing beards and cap, it was
156 Jaysit : Indeed. And I laud you for believing that Tiffany Adams, 28, of Dayton, Ohio and Beulah Smith, 62, of Minnetonka, MN can differentiate between Muslim
157 777way : Yes but the ones arrested on the NWA flight all happened to be Muslims, with easily identifiable Muslim names, dont crew have a passenger list availa
158 Post contains images Historic747 : Precisely and some people on this forum think it requires an Einstein to figure that out. Okay if you think you are the smartest!!! And I think Brar
159 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : He sort of looks Hispanic. Mark
160 Post contains images Blrsea : Yeah, I can imagine the scenario on the flight. Two groups of people are behaving oddly, one group all having hindu names, and another group all havi
161 Gr8Circle : It's all over the media....Times of India have reported that they were mostly dressed in the traditional Muslim attire and most of them had beards an
162 777way : No, I mean it was so easy for them to see the checklist and find Muslim names and make the flight turn around after finding out the discerining passe
163 HAWK21M : Watch the News. regds MEL
164 Gr8Circle : Come off it buddy....their behaviour, according to reports, was definitely worthy of suspicion......even the most dim-witted person would realise tha
165 Historic747 : I think your argument is concise and logical in speculating that the crew would have made an important decision based on multiple factors and would h
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