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KLM Will Not Return To Beirut  
User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5147 posts, RR: 15
Posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8825 times:

KLM will stop with the AMS-BEY flights. They stopped flying to BEY when the war broke out in lebanon, but a spokesman said they will not return. This has been a loss making route for a while now and AF will take over the pax via CDG.

Source: http://www.klm.com/travel/corporate_.../press_releases/index.htm?id=43678

[Edited 2006-08-23 14:08:18]

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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8643 times:

Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
KLM will stop with the AMS-BEY flights. They stopped flying to BEY when the war broke out in lebanon, but a spokesman said they will not return. This has been a loss making route for a while now and AF will take over the pax via CDG.

Makes sense to re-route them through CDG. After all, AF flies very heavy equipment into BEY already.

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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8577 times:

Just weeks after this announcement:

RE: KLM Stops Serving DAM And AMM! (by KLMCedric Aug 9 2006 in Civil Aviation)


Let's hope their other Middle Eastern destinations are fairing better.


Horus



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4330 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8522 times:

I wonder as well why they didn't do better, I once flew KLM to Beirut and back and noticed a lot of thru traffic from the America's, I imagined the same to AMM and DAM.
Maybe it's the narrow body equipment without IFE and no impressive Business product which pushes the high yield pax away to AF, EK, LH and others.



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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8389 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 2):

Let's hope their other Middle Eastern destinations are fairing better.

I imagine they will keep TLV/CAI/DXB, these routes have both large O&D markets, tourism, and big connecting markets to North America and Western Europe.

How is RUH/JED faring?



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8365 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 4):
I imagine they will keep TLV/CAI/DXB, these routes have both large O&D markets, tourism, and big connecting markets to North America and Western Europe

DXB seems to be going from strength to strength. They've established themselves in the market before EK's eventual entrance on the DXB-AMS passenger market.

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 4):
How is RUH/JED faring?

KL's only KSA destination is DMM. Their other Middle Eastern destinations are KWI, BAH, DOH, THR and AUH.

Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8254 times:

Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
KLM will stop with the AMS-BEY flights

This was already decided quite a lonf time ago, and in any case before the Israeli agression.

AF & MEA were preparing the reorganization of the CDG-BEY line, with the introduction of a 4th Daily frequency, operated by an Air France aircraft.
AF was supposed to operate a flight leaving CDG late afternoon and returning to CDG as the "red-eye" flight leaving BEY at 02:00AM to land in CDG around 5:45AM in the morning.
But now, it should take a while before we can see this change I believe ...  Sad


User currently offlineEL-AL From Israel, joined Oct 2001, 1313 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8170 times:

As far as know there is no change in the AMS-TLV route (using B737-900).


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

With the closure of routes to AMM, DAM and now BEY, KLM will be looking for alternative utilization of the B738 and B739 frames used on these overnight flights. KLM has been vigorously pursuing additional Moscow flights, and an overnight AMS SVO rotation might very well be in the pipeline if the airline can convince the Russian authorities to grant them the additional rights.

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2162 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7850 times:

KLM probably has problems Middle East to AMS because there is no early morning transatlantic flights from AMS, so passengers get stuck with a 4+ hour layover going to the Americas. Because the O&D market is so small, KLM is in a much worse position than AF to the Middle East.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
AF was supposed to operate a flight leaving CDG late afternoon and returning to CDG as the "red-eye" flight leaving BEY at 02:00AM to land in CDG around 5:45AM in the morning.

This flight would have mirrored MEA's red-eye to CDG. Does this make any sense?


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 7063 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 9):
This flight would have mirrored MEA's red-eye to CDG. Does this make any sense?

This flight would have replaced MEA's red eye to CDG.

Instead, MEA would have operated a new late afternoon flight from BEY, arriving at CDG around 10:00PM


User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5374 times:

KL's venue to Beirut didn't make sense as Skyteam's hub is well served by AF...

However, KL's 737 were not that difficult to fill (they were even upgrading sometimes to 739) + KL's network reach in N America especially the Detroit area thanks to NW was very helpful to passengers

Too bad we won't see the blue bird at night in BEY.



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