N757KW From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 450 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4761 times:
This is for the U.S. market, which is what I am familiar with.
For exports, yes. On my carrier the flights from China are packed with cargo, the rates are decent. The return to China is the hard part from the U.S. There is so much uplift to Asia that the rates are horrible. Even with the low rates, the flights do not go out full.
Just for ATL, there are 4 Asian Carriers and 1 U.S. carrier operating to Asia direct offering over 28 flights a week. That is a lot of uplift they we are all trying to sell space on.
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AirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4648 times:
YES! China has a booming cargo market. Fedex and UPS for example have chosen the A380 for China runs. I also read that Fedex is going to expand their Asia hub to one of the Chinese major cities, Guangzhou near Hong Kong. Right now their Asia ops are based at Subic Bay, Philippines.
OyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2808 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4514 times:
Quoting F.pier (Thread starter): There are a lot of cargo airlines in China and they are growing.
Do you think there is enough market room for all these carriers?
You ask a question that needs to highlight allot of aspects. The way I look upon your question could be broken up to more questions.
Will Jade Cargo grow successfully at that high rate that they will acquire planes?
Is the market need that desperate for new routes?
I guess the question to all this is - YES!
Jade is owned partially by Lufthansa and they have sent a senior management team to China to see that the company develops according to Lufthansa standards. It is also expected that Jade will be a member og Star Alliance.
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PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 10392 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4488 times:
Quoting OyKIE (Reply 4): o expected that Jade will be a member og Star Alliance.
Star Alliance is for passengers. Jade has no reason to join * as long as they do not intend to carry pax. The equivalent would be WOW, possible they join that formation which includes JAL, otherwise affiliated with One World.
And to answer the question - yes. They have a strong business case and co oeration with LH is expected, they can also operate routes from China which LH could not. Plus, Jade can produce much cheaper than LH can.
DABZF From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 1202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 4422 times:
China is THE market at the moment. Lot of European (don't know about USrnand others) companies are moving and have already moved theirrnproductions to China where the labour costs are only fraction of thosernin Europe.
Rates out of Asia especially from China are highestrnof all! Even if you don't have much return freight to China it willrndefinitely be profitable - especially for Chinese operators with veryrnlow labour costs.
Quoting OyKIE (Reply 4): Jade is owned partially by Lufthansa
Lufthansa Cargo, to be exact, with 25% share
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Avianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5940 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4308 times:
Quoting N757KW (Reply 1): For exports, yes. On my carrier the flights from China are packed with cargo, the rates are decent. The return to China is the hard part from the U.S. There is so much uplift to Asia that the rates are horrible. Even with the low rates, the flights do not go out full.
same problem ex Europe, often the airlines are only charging fuel and security surcharges an 0,00 euro per kg for the rate.
DALCA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4271 times:
The initial flights of Jade don't only go to Shenzen but also to Seoul out of AMS, via Shenzen. I myself work for Lufthansa Cargo in AMS and there is a huge market for it. Especially for the cargo coming from Asia to Europe, as mentioned before, hte market is not almost big enough. The flights from Asia to Europe almost cover 50% of the costs from Europe to Asia.
Once Jade starts adding more planes to thier fleet, look for them expanding in Europe, espacially southern Europe. Once the airline is established, it will be succesfull. Take a look at Dargonair Cargo for example.
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