Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Department Of Justice Sides With NWA Management  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3094 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6737 times:

Courtesy: KSTP-TV

Feds Side With Northwest Management

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S18379.html?cat=1

Video Report:

http://kstp.dayport.com/viewer/viewerpage.php?Art_ID=168675

[Edited 2006-08-24 02:51:45]

91 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 647 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6704 times:

I will tell you this that I am not siding with the F/A's on this one. So far everyone else has taking a bite out of this $hit sandwich why shouldn't they. I believe that the ground Operations is going to take the biggest hit out of all Unions. I hope the F/A's use their heads and avert a Strike or their so called CHAOS. If the F/A's do strike and the IAM is asked to honor the AFA Strike I will say no and report to work. I just want to finish my last 3 months I have with NWA and get my Severence package.


I don't care who you fly just as long as you fly
User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6641 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 1):
So far everyone else has taking a bite out of this $hit sandwich why shouldn't they.

We have taken a bite, big bites. We've been taking bites left and right since 1992. We have been victim to NWA tactics longer than most other. Over the years, we have taken the brunt of the downsizing and

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 1):
I believe that the ground Operations is going to take the biggest hit out of all Unions.

With all factors considered, we've taken over 40% cuts, more than all other groups. We, as well as the pilots are being subjected to workrules that are dangerous and wreckless, we're also the only 2 unions that do not get paid when we're on duty with the company. You guys at lest get clock in and out, and accounting for your time spent on the company property. We spend approximately 5-6hrs on duty per trip that is unpaid on average. We only get paid when the aircraft blocks until it blocks in at the end of the trip. We do not get paid when making our 8-2.5 hr call, for sign-in(we're on company property at this point), and we are not for boarding. How much of you're work are regularly not paid for? How many hours of work goes unpaid? Sorry my friend, but we are taking bigger cuts than most unions.

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 1):
I hope the F/A's use their heads and avert a Strike or their so called CHAOS

Talk to the company. They're the ones dragging this out. They're only 6% away from securing a fair and equitable agreement.

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 1):
If the F/A's do strike and the IAM is asked to honor the AFA Strike I will say no and report to work

We won't ask you, we can do it on our own.

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 1):
I just want to finish my last 3 months I have with NWA and get my Severence package.

So would we.



Made from jets!
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

You have my respect, Jetjack74. I am very disheartened that so many people here who claim to be enthusiasts would show so much animosity towards flight attendants. I can only assume it is because they truly do not understand what we do.


Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineCHIFLYGUY From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6530 times:

I'm not generally known as a big union supporter. In fact, I think the unions bear a fair share of the blame for the state of the airline industry today. I also wouldn't venture to say whether or not a strike is advisable at this time. But given that there is union representation in place, I can't see how it is fair to let the management impose a contract without union approval, then ban the union from striking. That's nothing more than throwing out union representation entirely and going with an "at will" type of employment arrangement.

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6530 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 3):
You have my respect, Jetjack74. I am very disheartened that so many people here who claim to be enthusiasts would show so much animosity towards flight attendants. I can only assume it is because they truly do not understand what we do.

Thanks Nutsy, we're in a fight with a management that looks to run over it's front-line employees. It's unfair for any employee group to minimise the contribution of their peer groups. We should all back each other up in some way. Even if the other groups wouldn't strike in support of us(They shouldn't, because they already settled their contract) but at least back us in spirit. Northwestair has a legitimate concern, and I respect his opinion. We don't want to strike, but if we don't stick together, we and other unions will just get steamrolled by management when the next contracts come up for review. What many on here fail to realise is, that many people like myself are enthusiasts working in the industry they love. But you can't become desensitised from your principals for love of something that get taken away from you.



Made from jets!
User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

Quoting CHIFLYGUY (Reply 4):
I'm not generally known as a big union supporter. In fact, I think the unions bear a fair share of the blame for the state of the airline industry today. I also wouldn't venture to say whether or not a strike is advisable at this time. But given that there is union representation in place, I can't see how it is fair to let the management impose a contract without union approval, then ban the union from striking. That's nothing more than throwing out union representation entirely and going with an "at will" type of employment arrangement.

The ruling does not permanantly forbid a strike, it is just doing it temporarily. It appears the whole matter will go to a labor judge, a mediator will be appointed, and the two sides will be told to go back to the table. The bankruptcy judge did not rule that the FA's had the right to strike, he simply ruled that he was not empowered to stop them. Therefore, the case will be shifted to a labor judge, which is empowered, at this point, to oversee the negotiations in relation to the Railway Labor Act.



"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineMattMSP767 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6488 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 2):
We've been taking bites left and right since 1992

Do you still work for the company after having to deal with this for 14 years? If so, WHY?


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6458 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
We should all back each other up in some way.

Why? You are playing with our jobs and our livelihood.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6440 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting MattMSP767 (Reply 7):
Do you still work for the company after having to deal with this for 14 years?

I've only been with the company since 96. The 1992 thing i'm referring to is the concessionary package the company negotiated, with the union. This included a stock purchase plan in exchange for giving concessions. Well, we never recieved payment for the buyback of the Series C stock that the company was ordered to do in a court decision in the middle of last year.

Quoting MattMSP767 (Reply 7):
If so, WHY?

Because I still love my job, and i'm not going to just quit because that's NWA want's us to do. I'm going to try and stick it and see what develops. We're trying to keep this profession professional, and that is compensated with fair pay and benefits.



Made from jets!
User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 988 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 3):
You have my respect, Jetjack74. I am very disheartened that so many people here who claim to be enthusiasts would show so much animosity towards flight attendants. I can only assume it is because they truly do not understand what we do.

Unfortunately, you may not equate the business position with animosity towards f/a's.
I for one would like to see every f/a get a 10% raise globally. I would also like to see all airline employees be able to retire at full pensions.

The reality is that we do not have labour laws in the USA that protect workers. If we are to speak about who hates f/a's then we need to look inwaredly towards the GOV who has allowed companies to compete on the backs of employees while reducing benefits.

My reccommendation is to vote republication once again and ignor building labour consistency. Go Bush!



Some people don't get it. Business is about making MONEY!
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6249 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 8):
Why? You are playing with our jobs and our livelihood.

I'd like to see Jetjack answer that. I felt the same pain when DL pilots were about to strike. My mother who works for DL was already searching for new jobs hopefully at other airlines. If DL went under, we would lose all our senority and my mother would have to work at a cheap airline like JetBlue. Why strike and be so selfish when you can't come to realise that you will not only put yourself out of an outstanding job with the best benefits in the world, but tens of thousands of other employees as well just because you were too selfish? Everyone else took the cuts....why can't you?



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6164 times:

Quoting BillReid (Reply 10):
My reccommendation is to vote republication once again and ignor building labour consistency. Go Bush!

Has it dawned on you that neither George W. or Jonathan are eligible to run again in their current positions, with both being term-limited?



Burma's constitutional referendum options: A. Yes, B. Go to Insein Prison!
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6134 times:

Quoting We're Nuts (Reply 3):
so many people here who claim to be enthusiasts would show so much animosity towards flight attendants. I can only assume it is because they truly do not understand what we do.

I think you are mis-understanding most of us.

It's not that we are anti-F/A, but we don't want to see Northwest end up as a big seller on EBAY.

I don't think the timing is appropriate to take this kind of action. The company, your company is down, and bleeding, as is much of the industry, why risk putting it out of business?


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6130 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 13):
The company, your company is down, and bleeding

What part of that 179 million dollar PROFIT (not counting those restructuring items that will promptly be reversed the second Northwest emerges from bankruptcy) do you not understand?



Burma's constitutional referendum options: A. Yes, B. Go to Insein Prison!
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 14):
What part of that 179 million dollar PROFIT (not counting those restructuring items that will promptly be reversed the second Northwest emerges from bankruptcy) do you not understand?

Sure, NW made a small profit this past quarter, but that does not mean that everything is great in the industry.

NW is not out of the woods yet, and hardly healthy at the moment.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

From the article:
'"If Northwest's motion is granted, the flight attendants' work life going forward will be the product of unilateral and unchecked economic coercion - a result flatly contrary to the (Railway Labor Act) and hardship which warrants denial of Northwest's appeal and its motion," the union wrote.'

That's a bald lie. There is absolutely no coercion involved. The FAs are free to quit if they don't like the deal.


User currently offlineCHIFLYGUY From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6026 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 16):

That's a bald lie. There is absolutely no coercion involved. The FAs are free to quit if they don't like the deal.

Zvezda, that's "at will" employment, which is typically what you get in non-unionized positions. Effectively, banning a strike would remove labor representation from the F/A's. This isn't how things work in unionized businesses, even in the USA.

If the F/A's did go on strike, NW would be allowed to hire replacements, of course.


User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5994 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
DATABASE EDITOR




Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 15):
Sure, NW made a small profit this past quarter, but that does not mean that everything is great in the industry.

If I have the choice between supporting a company that profits from short-changing and cheating their employees, and one that fosters productivity through mutual respect, I'll choose the latter every time.

There's a lot I don't know about unions, but there's a point at which labor concessions become squeezed dry. When that point is reached, it's up to management to earn their salaries by finding other ways to increase profitability.




2H4





Intentionally Left Blank
User currently offlineJunction From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 766 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5975 times:

Once again the DOJ gets involved with something it shouldn't. I am not a union advocate by any means, but the DOJ has been taking on this weird dictatorship stance lately. They are meddling with ORD slots, the Wright Amendment debate, and now this. As I've said before, the DOJ needs to stick to what they do best - suing as many companies as possible to generate revenue for the U.S. government.

User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 11):
Why strike and be so selfish when you can't come to realise that you will not only put yourself out of an outstanding job with the best benefits in the world, but tens of thousands of other employees as well just because you were too selfish?

Is this for real? I realize that you are only between 13-15 years of age, and that you don't support a household. Jetjack74 makes very vaild points and the fact that he is on the front lines, his perspective should be taken seriously. The best benefits in the world? What the heck are you talking about here? If you can't afford to live, how can one afford to travel free if they can even get on the plane. What about the other important benefits, like medical care or retirement. Yep, NW f/a are getting screwed big time, and this is one person that hoping the union wins this battle.


User currently offlineOkie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

I find it hypocritical that the DOJ has chosen to try and intervene in the NWA flight attendant strike, yet remained silent when the NWA mechanics struck. Which is it DOJ? Do you only allow strikes when the company has lined up scabs?

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5879 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 14):
What part of that 179 million dollar PROFIT (not counting those restructuring items that will promptly be reversed the second Northwest emerges from bankruptcy) do you not understand?

You're right... that 179 million dollar PROFIT was earned with the terms of FA TA#1 in place I believe... thus supporting NWs position that the cuts are needed to sustain profitability. Thus, it's clear management does know what they're doing.

FYI, strategic planning involves planning for profitability and an acceptable return over the long term.... not a quarter.



An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1637 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5843 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 11):
Why strike and be so selfish when you can't come to realise that you will not only put yourself out of an outstanding job with the best benefits in the world, but tens of thousands of other employees as well just because you were too selfish?

best benefits in the world

This is just speaking for my airline, I'm sure others can add to the list.

* Highly reduced wages.
* Financially painful work rules.
* Tricky overtime pay rules.
* No (or lost) pension.
* Little or No 401K match.
* Worthless Stock options.
* Pitiful and/or overpriced Health plans.
* Reduced Paid Holidays.
* No carry over of Vacation days.
* No ability to DAT.
* No pay if your sick till your 3rd day.
* Fewer buddy passes.
* And last but not least...........Non-Reving.

Non Reving is not what it use to be. Loads are so high that it can be difficult to even get to work let alone go on a trip. Free Non-Reving is limited to your Spouse,kids and Mom & Dad. Buddy passes now have fees and their getting higher over time. The only reason that this part has been mostly untouched is because it one of the better hiring points the Airlines have.



My Country can beat up your Country....
User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5811 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 14):
What part of that 179 million dollar PROFIT (not counting those restructuring items that will promptly be reversed the second Northwest emerges from bankruptcy) do you not understand?

After years of losses, they have turned a profit for acouple of quarters. Gas prices are continuing to rise, as well as other unknowns. You can't expect them to run at $0 profit. They need a cushion, or they need the option to adjust everyones wages, based on profits. You know noone would go with that.


25 Zvezda : Yes. My point was that the FAs are not being coerced. They are free to work or not work. If they were not free to leave, that would be slavery. Of co
26 Post contains images We're Nuts : How delightfully 19th century. Let's just erase a hundred years of human development for the sake of Northwest's coffers.
27 SeeTheWorld : This potential strike has serious implications with regard to the Railway Labor Act that the mechanics strike did not have. It's a completely differe
28 Filejw : Although I'm on the F A's side they were hardly forced.They did have two agreements with NWA that were negotiate by their own rep's(two different unio
29 Okie73 : it's only different in that with the mechanics management recruited a bunch of scabs before the strike. The implications with regard to the RLA are t
30 SHUPirate1 : Wrong sir...that 179 million dollar profit was earned with the "yellow book" terms in place. The terms of F/A TA#1 were not in place until August 1st
31 FlyDeltaJets87 : Just out of curiosity, why would you expect the other employees at NWA be "with you in spirit" if you strike? You striking puts the existence of the
32 TWFirst : Awesome,... then the outlook for sustainable acceptable returns in the long-term is even better w/TA #1 in place. Airlines are in business to make mo
33 Bucky707 : two questions for you. First, what does pilot pay in relation to military pay have to do with anything? All kinds of people in the civilian sector ma
34 RyanAFAMSP : This is not actually a big news item. It is no surprise that Bush's justice department sided with management. This is just one brief that the Federal
35 Ikramerica : There you go. Nothing you write before or after should be taken seriously because you showed yourself as a union hack who's willing to lie to get you
36 ChiGB1973 : Being paid block in/out pay is one rule that is clear through the beginning of the hiring process. If not then, the first few days of training. Work
37 Post contains images MSPGUY : But that's what the union is for. For the lazy and incompetent to hide behind. I can see why NW mgmt wants to cut paid work hours. In a typical 8 hou
38 2H4 : Are you contending, Ikramerica, that there are no dangerous practices that can currently (and legally) take place under the regulations of the FAA an
39 We're Nuts : Northwest has a fundamental problem that runs far deeper than you realize. Destroying employee moral is what will send them to Ch. 7, not FA salaries
40 Reyes27 : Employees are in the business to make money too, if organized action is in their self interest then so be it, if its not se be that.
41 SHUPirate1 : So are their employees, on a smaller scale![Edited 2006-08-24 20:32:12]
42 Ckfred : Here's one thing that needs to be done, so that everyone understands. Congress needs to amend the RLA to cover the situation of a bankruptcy court thr
43 Ikramerica : You are not a lawyer and I am not obligated to follow your 'work rules' when answering your question. I am contending that as long as NWA is followin
44 Ikramerica : Nope. In other words, no you don't bother to confirm that businesses you frequent treat their employees well. You only see fit to take this moral sta
45 We're Nuts : Safety is not black and white, gentlemen. The issue at hand, I believe, is that NWA is scheduling its crews to fly more and more hours, approaching t
46 FlyDeltaJets87 : I guess I should have made it more clear. My point was I'm tired of reading posts with "we work for peanut wages. boo hoo hoo", when in fact, many do
47 Post contains images MPDPilot : you are absolutely right. Ikramerica are you playing devils advocate or are you really against everything. It would seem that you have nothing or ver
48 Post contains images 2H4 : Then why does the FAA revise regs from time to time based on NTSB recommendations? The answer, whether you choose to accept it or not, is because the
49 TWFirst : All three of you are confusing ROI (return on investment) with an exchange of compensation for labor.
50 Jamake1 : Bottom line: NWA cannot expect to impose its own contract terms and then get the DOJ or a judge to block a union from exercising self-help. They have,
51 Slider : How ironic, talking about coercion when the true coercion and duress is that union membership is compulsory. The problem, as has been cited numerous
52 Goaliemn : Management has taken 2 rounds of paycuts.. saw holiday days removed.. health insurance reduced.. sick time reduced... sick time payout reduced.. Ever
53 Reyes27 : Are not the employees making investment in time? Are not the employees resources to the company? Is it not in the best interest of the employee to ge
54 We're Nuts : No. What you and so many other people don't seem to understand, or want to accept, is that Northwest's business model is broken, and no one is the sl
55 Isitsafenow : Are we talking F.A.'s or pilots here? There is a BBBBIIIGG difference. safe
56 Charlienorth : Oh come on now,not raising fares when everyone else does,a business plan that counts on UAL and US to fail,opening "focus cities" where there is a po
57 TVNWZ : Well, when only one in four flight attendants voted AGAINST the last tenative agreement, I would say the company would be wise to impose their will.
58 Rsmith6621a : I Say!!!! If a company after BK can not insure that they quickly begin to restore LIVING WAGES back to their employees...They should fold and close th
59 ASFlyer : Very well spoken. Thank you!
60 Isitsafenow : Now.................how do you know this? Are you so positive you will bet your LIFE on it? Is it CASH? is it STOCK OPTIONS like Gordon got when he f
61 Post contains images CO767FA : Yes, I've been saying this for years to my peers. I remember a time when we would do that, but now; we hang each other out to dry. You have my suppor
62 Ikramerica : Again, who says it is? The union? Who is being overworked? 100 hours is the maximum, 100 hours has not been required. Give me a break. You are compar
63 2H4 : My goal is not to win an argument, Ikramerica. My goal is to help you understand that the FAA's existing rules and regs are not necessarily safe by d
64 Post contains images Jetjack74 : A union hack? Please, if you really knew anything about me, you know that i'm not a union hack. I just believe that issues our union is fighting for
65 70sflyer : Has it occured to you that (speaking in your same generalized terms) a Republican government's, and more specifically Bushie's, agenda is aimed to be
66 We're Nuts : I can't believe you are advocating more deaths for aviation policy. I prefer to keep my planes flying, thank you.
67 Dtwclipper : I thought we all said that CHAOS wouldn't target XJ or is this just a coincidence. NW already rebooked me on Comair though. Flight: 3500 Date: Fri., A
68 1rocco : Didn't NWA ask and receive like 20 million dollars to be set aside for managment bonuses??? I think they did....
69 Jano : But this suggest that all unions, which represent FAs, should take the fight with FAA and Federal Government to change the FARs rather than your unio
70 Isitsafenow : Setting money aside and dispersing it are not the same. I believe the money is to be issued as bonuses after emerging from Chapter 11 and the profit
71 ASFlyer : The unionS are doing this. Both ALPA and AFA.
72 ASFlyer : Perhaps they don't have enough crew because nobody wants those crappy jobs for what the company is willing to pay. That, coupled with the extreme lik
73 Jetjack74 : We are. We're lobbying congress to change these rules. The workrules were already part of both TA's with minor differences, and we're still trying to
74 TVNWZ : The likelyhood of this happening is: 0%
75 TWFirst : Sorry, but that's not the way financial markets view things. NW is offering to pay the FAs more than two of its biggest competitors (UA & US). Regard
76 Slider : Weather CVG is a big clue.... This has nothing to do with labor issues.
77 Reyes27 : Never said NW approach is unreasonable, of course they should try to bring labor costs down. My point is the employee's approach is not unreasonable
78 TWFirst : You think it's reasonable to disrupt operations, inconvenience innocent passengers, and cost the bankrupt company more money because the FAs are unha
79 Aviationwiz : It's called a strike, and yes, it's reasonable. Would you rather have a full-out strike, or CHAOS? As a passenger, I'll take CHAOS, and that's what t
80 102IAHexpress : Huh? You may not like their intentions, but the FA’s are being reasonable. They’re not threatening to strike because they want to secure huge rai
81 SHUPirate1 : Not quite...that's a hyperlink...you click on CVG and see what the weather is in Covington, Kentucky.
82 Ikramerica : MORE DEATHS? I'm advocating MORE DEATHS? The 100 hour rule is unsafe and we've seen thousands of deaths and many accidents, but I'm not satisfied. I
83 Reyes27 : If the employees feel that their compensation for their labor is not satisfactory, NW and other companies in that position have proven that their fir
84 TWFirst : As a passenger, I'd rather the FA's not involve me in their dispute, as I would not involve them in any dispute I have with my employer. No, I do not
85 1rocco : BINGO.. So the folks in building A will be wooping it up while some of the more junior f/a's on reserve will qualify for food stamps for the next 5 y
86 TWFirst : Then why don't you get another job that pays more? I wish I could eat out every night too and free coffee is also of value to me (if it's decent)...
87 Isitsafenow : Well, that would be that persons right if they wish to withhold their services, as long as its legal. Some of the F.A.'s will quit..some will work an
88 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: WDIV-TV Judge Blocks NWA Flight Attendants From Strike http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/9738020/detail.html
89 TWFirst : Logic prevails!
90 Post contains links Aviationwiz : Quoting TWFirst (Reply 89): Logic prevails! Logic, perhaps, but this is a sad day for labor, and the law, neither of which prevailed this time.[Edited
91 1rocco : A New York federal judge on Friday issued a temporary injunction preventing Northwest Airlines Corp. flight attendants from striking, and said he need
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
US Department Of Justice Approves HP-US Merger! posted Fri Jun 24 2005 00:49:23 by SHUPirate1
Recent (Excellent) Experience With NWA posted Tue Jul 4 2006 00:16:17 by Hagic
Help With Disaster Management posted Tue Jun 13 2006 14:21:38 by A390
Regs. Of DL 763's With Upgraded Bizelite? posted Wed Jun 7 2006 18:03:23 by Gokmengs
Ex SR Board Of Directors Charged With Fraud posted Fri Mar 31 2006 23:29:21 by Swissy
City Of Chicago Deals With Cemetery Issue At ORD posted Fri Mar 31 2006 01:30:44 by KarlB737
Ratio Of Westjet Aircraft With PVT's? posted Sat Mar 4 2006 18:25:31 by Jetskial
Fighting Words Crossing The Table With NWA Talks posted Mon Feb 13 2006 21:10:32 by KarlB737
The Future Of First Class (with Current Pics) posted Wed Feb 1 2006 13:22:02 by BHXDTW
What's The Prospects Of The 783 With LCCs? posted Mon Nov 7 2005 20:32:21 by Glom