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SQ A380 To Fly In 2007?  
User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 902 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16588 times:

hello-
I don't want to start a flame thread or anything of the sort I thought that I'd just share this bit of information that I stumbled upon...

you know how Singapores slogan has been "First to fly the A380 in 2006." well the other day I was on the website and I saw that it still said 2006, I just looked and they have taken away the 2006 part from all parts of the website.
http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/index.jsp
http://www.a380.singaporeair.com/home.html

I have just e-mailed SQ to ask them if it is true... not sure what they will say.
what are your thoughts on this?
~Cheers-
~~Kyle H.
Once again, please don't make this a flame thread!


to some people the sky is the limit, to aviation enthusiasts, its home!
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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3712 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 16531 times:
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Interesting. I wonder what happened since this week-end. I was on the SIA web site to check on a booking and I specifically remember wondering whether the "in 2006" would pan out. I guess someone somewhere had a meeting this week and decided not.


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 15885 times:

There have already been quotes from articles on here about this, Airbus is expected to deliver the A380 to SQ in December (maybe) but SQ wont put it into revenue flight until about April 2007. This has been the 'plan' since the first 6month delay, so its not new.

User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3426 posts, RR: 67
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15765 times:

As a personal observation, the "First to fly the A380 in 2006" slogan began disappearing from SQ employee business cards in 2005.


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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 15707 times:

SQ are hoping to take delivery of their first WhaleJet in December. About a month will be required before it can enter commercial service. It's been clear for a long time that, barring a miracle, EIS will be in 2007.

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14730 times:

IIRC, in a couple of earlier threads locals have reported that the ""First to fly the A380 in 2006" slogan was removed from the large SIA billboards on the Orchard Road and Chinatown, as well as bus placards in July.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14672 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 12):
slogan was removed from the large SIA billboards on the Orchard Road and Chinatown

I shall investigate at my earliest convenience.



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User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13963 times:

well i certainly hope they will STILL be flying the A380 in 2007  Wink

User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 41
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13839 times:

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 15):
well i certainly hope they will STILL be flying the A380 in 2007

then it will be in 2008 then 2009 and so on !



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User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13768 times:

Definitely by 2008!

When does the 787 go up?



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12916 times:

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 9):
Definitely by 2008!

It's difficult to imagine the WhaleJet's EIS slipping another year to 2008. It's a safe bet EIS will be in 2007.

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 9):
When does the 787 go up?

First flight in 2007, EIS in 2008.


User currently offlineWorldsurfer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11909 times:

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Thread starter):
IIRC, in a couple of earlier threads locals have reported that the ""First to fly the A380 in 2006" slogan was removed from the large SIA billboards on the Orchard Road and Chinatown, as well as bus placards in July.

When i was in Singapore last month i noticed this also.
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SIA Billboard Orchard Road , Singapore July 27th 2006


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9601 posts, RR: 69
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11791 times:
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This has been the 'plan' since the first 6month delay, so its not new.

Is this a true statement? When was the first delay announced? If so, why did SQ wait so long to adjust their adverts?


User currently offlineNcelhr From Vatican City, joined Jul 2006, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11550 times:

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 3):
As a personal observation, the "First to fly the A380 in 2006" slogan began disappearing from SQ employee business cards in 2005.

The LHR advertising boards never mentioned "in 2006". Wise move.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11474 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
but SQ wont put it into revenue flight until about April 2007. This has been the 'plan' since the first 6month delay, so its not new.

Bull. After the first 6-month delay they (SQ) were still looking at first revenue service by December 2006. It's been the 2nd 6-month delay that caused the first rev flight to slip into 2007.

Quoting Clickhappy (Reply 12):
If so, why did SQ wait so long to adjust their adverts?

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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21419 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11235 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 14):
Bull. After the first 6-month delay they (SQ) were still looking at first revenue service by December 2006. It's been the 2nd 6-month delay that caused the first rev flight to slip into 2007.

That's the reality. Some people like to rewrite history, however.



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10971 times:

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User currently offlineAtlantic From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10843 times:

still the biggest passenger plane! Bahhh!

User currently offlineHb88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 814 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10802 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 14):
Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 2):
"but SQ wont put it into revenue flight until about April 2007. This has been the 'plan' since the first 6month delay, so its not new."

Bull. After the first 6-month delay they (SQ) were still looking at first revenue service by December 2006. It's been the 2nd 6-month delay that caused the first rev flight to slip into 2007.

No, you are incorrect here. I recall in briefings that were given before the second 6 mo delay was announced, that delivery to SQ was due before the end of 06 (last quarter) with the exact date of the first revenue flight not clearly given. Most people (media included) focussed mainly on the delivery date. From memory I think SQ were planning revenue flights in early 07 as time is needed for acceptance procedures etc. I recall that this was also as publicised outside Airbus for quite some time during 06.

In any case, the second 6 mo delay (if you're referring to the one resulting from the wiring harness installation issues) didn't and doesn't affect the targets for the initial SQ deliveries at all. The SQ delivery target remained unchanged.

I can't remember from which a/c onward are affected by the latter delay, but it certainly wasn't the initial SQ aircraft.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
That's the reality. Some people like to rewrite history, however.

Not in this case.

(unless I've misunderstood which delay is being referred to above...)


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10646 times:

Quoting Hb88 (Reply 18):
No, you are incorrect here.

No, I'm not. You and RichardPrice are...

In an interview with SQ's B.K. Ong, General Manager India:

QUESTION: Tell us more about the Airbus A380?
ANSWER: We will be the first airline to operate A380 in December ’06.

QUESTION: What is your outlook?
ANSWER: As we mentioned at our quarterly results, the outlook for air travel in 2006 is encouraging, given the sound economic outlook for the major markets. Fuel prices remained high by historical standard, and continue to be a concern to the Group.

Singapore Airlines will take delivery of two Airbus A380-800s and six Boeing 777-300ERs, and de-commission six B747-400s, during 2006, thereby increasing the operating fleet to 92 passenger aircraft by 31 December 2006. The first Airbus A380-800 and the first Boeing 777-300ER are expected to be delivered in November 2006.


This interview was posted on April 4, 2006 -- two months before the SECOND delay was announced.

http://www.indiainfoline.com/view/040406b.html

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 15):
Some people like to rewrite history, however.

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User currently offlineHb88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 814 posts, RR: 31
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10529 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 19):
No, I'm not. You and RichardPrice are...

In an interview with SQ's B.K. Ong, General Manager India:

QUESTION: Tell us more about the Airbus A380?
ANSWER: We will be the first airline to operate A380 in December �06.

QUESTION: What is your outlook?
ANSWER: As we mentioned at our quarterly results, the outlook for air travel in 2006 is encouraging, given the sound economic outlook for the major markets. Fuel prices remained high by historical standard, and continue to be a concern to the Group.

Singapore Airlines will take delivery of two Airbus A380-800s and six Boeing 777-300ERs, and de-commission six B747-400s, during 2006, thereby increasing the operating fleet to 92 passenger aircraft by 31 December 2006. The first Airbus A380-800 and the first Boeing 777-300ER are expected to be delivered in November 2006.

This interview was posted on April 4, 2006 -- two months before the SECOND delay was announced.

As I said, it wasn't entirely clear when the first revenue flight was expected. My recollection was that the first passenger service was anticipated as above in my post. I wonder if in the interview he was referring to SQ taking delivery or actually making the first revenue flights. 'operating' isn't quite clear. Remember the time period could be only a matter of a month or weeks between 06 and 07 so it's probably splitting hairs to argue over it in any case (unless you desparately *want* to lambaste Airbus for delays wherever possible etc etc ).

Anyway, the point remains the same, the second 6 mo delay did NOT affect the delay or otherwise of the SQ aircraft. The aircraft for the first delivery were flying well before the wiring harness industrial rampup issues became apparent. If you recall, this delay was due to the installation of the wiring harnesses not meeting the rate required to meet the forward delivery targets. In terms of the first SQ 380 (and a number of other hulls I believe), it wasn't relevant.


User currently offlineHb88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 814 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10484 times:

I meant to add this to my last post: but for details on the specifics of the delay caused by the rewiring ramp-up issue, see FI:

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...The+race+to+rewire+the+Airbus.html

This makes it clear that the '06 delivery to SQ of the 380 is not affected by this issue (the SECOND 6 mo delay).


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10289 times:

Quoting Hb88 (Reply 20):
I wonder if in the interview he was referring to SQ taking delivery or actually making the first revenue flights. 'operating' isn't quite clear.

I don't see any ambiguity. He states clearly that the first A380 will be delivered in November 2006 and they will be the first to operate it in December 2006.

Still have doubts? How about these:

Singapore Airlines will take delivery of the A380, the world`s largest passenger aircraft, in November 2006; this will be followed by entry into commercial service in December 2006. The aircraft will first fly on the Kangaroo route, between London, Singapore and Sydney.

http://www.traveldailynews.com/new.asp?newid=29794&subcategory_id=53

Airbus has revealed that A380 launch customer Singapore Airlines will receive its first aircraft too late in the year to place it into service in 2006, as SQ had hoped.

http://www.luchtzak.be/article11828.html

And, why, looky here! Even Airbus itself still says on its site:

Singapore Airlines
the first carrier to introduce the A380 in revenue service at the end of 2006.


Look at the bottom of the page at this link:
http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfamilies/a380/a380/

Doesn't look like "splitting hairs" or ambiguity to me.



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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10244 times:

Quoting Hb88 (Reply 21):
This makes it clear that the '06 delivery to SQ of the 380 is not affected by this issue (the SECOND 6 mo delay).

"The first Airbus A380-800 and the first Boeing 777-300ER are expected to be delivered in November 2006. " SQ, April, 2006

"Singapore Airlines will have 19 firm orders and 6 options for the Airbus A380 and is now scheduled to take delivery of its first aircraft in December 2006."
SQ, July 21, 2006

What happened between April and July that caused the delivery delay from November to December if not the delays announced in June?


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3426 posts, RR: 67
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10198 times:

Quoting Khobar (Reply 23):
"Singapore Airlines will have 19 firm orders and 6 options for the Airbus A380 and is now scheduled to take delivery of its first aircraft in December 2006."
SQ, July 21, 2006

It appears to me that Airbus still has a major challenge to certify and deliver the first SQ A380 in Dec. '06.

There are only 129 days left to go.



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25 Zeke : Will Airbus certify the aircraft, or should you have said EASA/FAA. Or are you trying to infer that your mates at the FAA will try every trick not to
26 Alaskaqantas : hello again... I am still waiting for a reply from SQ... but here is what my last e-mail said: > Dear Mr. Horne , > > We refer to your email dated 26
27 OldAeroGuy : I only said that Airbus has a challenge over the next 129 days, the same as any OEM would face when dealing with the rigors of completing the test pr
28 Khobar : Ah yes, the grand conspiracy against Airbus. LOL.
29 Zeke : You make it should like Airbus has to finish off all the reports then EASA/FAA approve them, you kindly dont mention that the 380 has passed a lot of
30 OldAeroGuy : No argument, but the last minute crush of data for tests that are still being conducted and the acceptance of the reports by EASA/FAA can get to be v
31 Glacote : You mean like bills proposed to the Congress (no less) to have Airbus pay for US airport growth? Or to have it carry special couter-measures? Or are
32 Carpethead : In the meantime, Boeing will deliver to SQ its first 773ER in September. She was ready to go out the factory door when I visit Everett last week. Wha
33 Leelaw : Please. How far did those bills get in the legislative process? Airbus's lobbyists on Capital Hill saw to it that there was never any serious conside
34 Ikramerica : They delayed them to November so as not to offer the "new" product before the A380 could showcase it. But even after last year's work stoppage, Boein
35 Yellowstone : Any idea how much changing the ads will cost SQ? And is Airbus helping defray any of those costs? Not that I think they should, as it was a bad move o
36 Ikramerica : The only really poor move, in my estimation, was to delay the 77W deliveries once the first A380 delays were announced. I think they are regretting th
37 Post contains images Airbus A380 : This was taken today. People's Park Centre, Chinatown.
38 Zeke : No requirement at all, you keep trying to say it is. Even if 20 A380s were in service, present arrangements would not cause delays at LHR-SIN-SYD. To
39 Zvezda : The first delay (after contracts were signed) was a two-month delay from Feb to Apr 2006 (delivery) and Mar to May 2006 (EIS). The second delay pushe
40 Post contains links RedFlyer : I wonder how long talk by Airbus employees of these latest purported delays will push EIS back? If there's any truth to them will we see EIS in 2007?
41 Post contains images Leelaw : In the e-mail I received today from SQ confirming my "Singapore Airlines A380 Virtual Intelligence Passport" application the following graphic appeare
42 OldAeroGuy : Don't confuse the Type Certification flight test with the First of Model flight test. Even if an airplane has been certified for a number of years, a
43 OldAeroGuy : The current ICAO Iterim Guidance represents an operating standard. If all parties are happy with the current separation requirements, you're right, i
44 Zvezda : In a company that large, it's possible to find some employees who will say almost anything. If the story were that executives are suggesting it, I wo
45 Khobar : If they delayed to November, they will still get them before the A380. But according to Carpethead, Boeing will deliver in September, so I'm a bit co
46 Zeke : Think Airbus is more than happy with current arrangements, rather get it correct first go than to try and win a PR battle if it is not correct. No ru
47 Zvezda : SQ negotiated a delay of first B777-300ER delivery to September, so that the first few could enter service in December a few days after the WhaleJet
48 Zeke : So it was SQ that negotiated a strike of Boeing employees ?
49 SKA380 : I was talking to one of the companies that has contractors (rented out mechanics) at Airbus a couple weeks ago. He told me that they had lots of elect
50 Zvezda : I wrote no such thing. Please stop flamebaiting.
51 Zeke : Its not flamebait, been widely reported, and discussed previously on a.net that the manufacturing strike at Boeing delayed many aircraft from being d
52 Singapore_Air : No where in Zvezda's posts on this thread has he insinuated that Singapore Airlines had anything to do with a strike at Boeing. Ludicrous. The high ho
53 OldAeroGuy : If Airbus is happy with the current ICAO Interim Guidance, why have they been complaining so much about it in the media?
54 Khobar : I'm still confused because the 773's were originally scheduled for delivery in November 2006. Rescheduling to September 2006 is getting them earlier,
55 Leelaw : One possible explanation is that Airbus may face significant contractual penalties if the A380 doesn't "seamlessly" fit into the ATC system (i.e., th
56 Zeke : Nor did he post that the manufacturing strike at Boeing lead to delays on the production line. This is the ONLY delay I am aware of with the 773ER wi
57 Zvezda : All the facts? For all practical purposes, that would be an infinite set. Since I haven't yet discovered the bounds of your ignorance, I don't know w
58 OldAeroGuy : Will Airbus be happy with the long term outcome? I think that is the main question, since ICAO has not made a further decision on separation distance
59 Khobar : In April, 2006, SQ stated the following: Singapore Airlines will take delivery of two Airbus A380-800s and six Boeing 777-300ERs, and de-commission s
60 Zeke : Yes, all the facts, hardly something not too much to ask for a balanced post. People would take notice of what you write if you came out and made obj
61 Post contains links Leelaw : WSJ: Boeing's Latest 747 Jet Is Dragged Into Controversy Over Turbulence (Fair Use Excerpts) FARNBOROUGH, England (July 22, 2006) -- Controversy over
62 Zeke : My information is that since Boeing has been signaling that the 748 will get bigger than initially announced, and has high lift device more like the
63 Zvezda : Some facts you might need to know to understand my post: Airplanes are vehicles that fly through the air. Airliners are airplanes to transport people
64 OldAeroGuy : If you acknowledge that SQ wanted them later, why do you continue to insist that the Sept to Nov delivery slide is due to the Boeing strike? Do you u
65 Zeke : The only delay I am aware of on the 777 line was due to the strike. Would like to know why EK et al are not getting their 777s on time. If SQ didn't
66 Leelaw : I'm not suggesting that the 748 won't merit it own separate consideration at the appropriate time. Clearly, Airbus thought it was possible to design
67 OldAeroGuy : Out-of-sequence deliveries do not happen frequently on the 777 line. As for the delay to L/N 567, I suggest you inquire within your own airline if yo
68 RedFlyer : Or, put another way: "If I can't figure out how to do it, then obviously the other guy can't and never could either."
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