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Qantas Has New Rules For Dells  
User currently offlineTeamspeedy From Australia, joined Aug 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7221 times:

If you've got a Dell notebook and you're flying Qantas sometime soon, be aware of the new rules regarding your precious laptop. If you want to use it you have 1 which is to remove your battery and move up to first or business class and power your computer via power supply
Syydney Morning Hearld article


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User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7174 times:

Quoting Teamspeedy (Thread starter):
nd you're flying Qantas sometime soon

Thanks TS, I am travelling to Jkt on Wed coming and am fresh off the phone from asking Qantas what rules there were for carry on baggage - nothing different said the nice lady!! I don't have a Dell, but I will be taking a Twinhead. I might need to be ready to point out the difference between it and a Dell. Such as "more letters and (so far) much less smoke". I had totally missed that article in the SMH.

Wonder what other small matters will not be exactly as advertised!


User currently offlineTurkee From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

I highly doubt this will be enforced. More of a passenger-takes-responsibility thing that gets written into the conditions of carraige inside the e-ticket wallet.

I can just imagine a flight attendant wandering around the cabin in a full 744 to every person carrying a laptop: "Excuse me, is your laptop a Dell?"


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4801 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

Quoting Turkee (Reply 2):
I highly doubt this will be enforced. More of a passenger-takes-responsibility thing that gets written into the conditions of carraige inside the e-ticket wallet.

I can just imagine a flight attendant wandering around the cabin in a full 744 to every person carrying a laptop: "Excuse me, is your laptop a Dell?"

I've seen a printout for checkin on QF... they do have these restrictions in place because of Dell having that recall due to exploding batteries.



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User currently offlineChicagoFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

Not really a major restriction but with Apple also announcing the recall of 'exploding batteries,' this cartoon is priceless:



User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6642 times:

I am a fan of both Qantas and Dell and I think that yes, it is smart for Qantas to take this precaution... we just sent in for new batteries and my dad will be flying from LAX-AKL and back in mid september... so either A: this restrictment isn't in place still, or B: we can have a letter or something from Dell saying that it is a new battery.

Although he is flying business class he doesn't like to take his charge because it takes up so much room in his briefcase... but I guess bummer for him  Wink Big grin
~Cheers-
~~Kyle H.



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User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1530 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6573 times:

I am glas I have a Toshiba laptop...

I have carried it all over the world and had no problems with it.



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User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

Yeah you can add Apple to the list as well...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,210315,00.html

Seems Sony and their faulty power cells are to blame in both cases.



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User currently offlineTurkee From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6513 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
I've seen a printout for checkin on QF... they do have these restrictions in place because of Dell having that recall due to exploding batteries

Yep, implementing restrictions is one thing, and I can appreciate why they are doing it. Enforcing them is another. I'd put good money on the fact I could take a Dell laptop onboard a QF flight without being questioned about it.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4555 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

The battery recalls will continue to mount...Sony is now expecting to take a hit of around $250 Million because of this. Dell may be taking a hit because of it, but they were the first to take charge of th situation. Apple is doing the same thing. I would expect the others that use Sony batteries to make similar moves shortly.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

Quoting Alaskaqantas (Reply 5):
I am a fan of both Qantas and Dell and I think that yes, it is smart for Qantas to take this precaution...

No it's not.

If you look into the problem, the number of fires is miniscule, and the danger is not even one that would require landing the plane.

So many things can go wrong in flight, that singling out dell notebooks when SOME of them have recalled batteries (which are being REPLACED) is stupid. Adding apple to the list is stupider, as it only affects 3 computer models, none of which are even produced anymore!



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User currently offlineN231YE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

Quoting Boeingfever777 (Reply 7):
Seems Sony and their faulty power cells are to blame in both cases.

Would that mean Sony laptops have problems too?


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 11):
Would that mean Sony laptops have problems too?

only if they use sony lithium ion cells of this variety. just because sony brands the laptop, doesn't mean every component inside the laptop that could be made by sony IS made by sony...



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User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
No it's not.

If you look into the problem, the number of fires is miniscule, and the danger is not even one that would require landing the plane.

So many things can go wrong in flight, that singling out dell notebooks when SOME of them have recalled batteries (which are being REPLACED) is stupid. Adding apple to the list is stupider, as it only affects 3 computer models, none of which are even produced anymore!

I see what you are getting at, and I think that it would be frustrating to not be able to bring on my laptop (hahaha if I don't then I won't be able to do school work  Wow!)

At the same time it is good to see that the airline is taking a step of precaution... that being said I hope they realize that people are getting new batteries and that quite a few are "safe."

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 9):
Sony is now expecting to take a hit of around $250 Million because of this.

yes that does seem like heaps of money... but think of what could have happened lets say if some houses caught fire... there could be alot of money spent if people sued.
hehe I guess I was just thinking of the worst case scenario.
~Cheers-
~~Kyle H.



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 11):
Would that mean Sony laptops have problems too?



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
just because Sony brands the laptop, doesn't mean every component inside the laptop that could be made by Sony IS made by Sony

As for Sony coming out and and saying their own product has battery issues I doubt their PR dept. would release that until one of the models has an issue. This would be even more a disaster for them.

Sony uses their own batteries in 99% of their laptop models. They are for the most part proprietary to make and model.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

Glad I got a Gateway Notebook..although I'm not flying QF anytime soon. Either way, I'm glad there isn't an exploding battery in mine.

-Copa


User currently onlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

Quoting Turkee (Reply 2):
I highly doubt this will be enforced. More of a passenger-takes-responsibility thing that gets written into the conditions of carraige inside the e-ticket wallet.

If this situation isn't solved by the time I take QF and I see someone with a Dell not following the rules, I'll make sure to show the F/A's a printout of the webpage and get the person in trouble.. devil 

Quoting Ryan h (Reply 6):
I am glas I have a Toshiba laptop...

I have a Compaq P-IV........beast of a machine, but its a battery guzzler... spin 



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21472 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6166 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 14):
Sony uses their own batteries in 99% of their laptop models. They are for the most part proprietary to make and model.

The cells are inside the battery, and they are not necessarily made by Sony even if the battery pack is a "sony" branded battery pack.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8182 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 5386 times:

Quoting N231YE (Reply 11):
Would that mean Sony laptops have problems too?

Looks like they might - this was posted today:

http://www.themacobserver.com/article/2006/08/24.5.shtml

In terms of the actual restriction, I think it's wise. I saw the picture from Japan of the Dell on fire. If that happened on a plane the pax using the notebook would basically have 3rd degree burns over a large part of their body and, if they lived long enough to get to the hospital they would end up with a new face, neck chest, arms, etc. from skin transplants.

All QF has to do to ensure FAs keep a vigorous watch is to show them the picture of the fire, discuss what would have to happen in terms of getting to the nearest airport, and then show them a few pics of severe burn patients.

Apple is in a better position is that they have only had 6 problems - and no fires. No doubt in my mind that Apple's attorneys had a chat with them about replacing the Sony batteries ASAP - especially since Sony is in no position to argue with them at the moment.


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5149 times:

Makes me glad I buy HP!


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User currently offlineWukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4804 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 18):
Apple is in a better position is that they have only had 6 problems - and no fires.

Oh?

http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/06/a...aptop-engulfed-in-flames-real.html

...and that was just a quick search. Tell that to the guy that had his classic pickup smoked by his Powerbook sitting in the truck while he was away.

So much for a "better position", eh?



We can agree to disagree.
User currently offlineTrojanAE From Lithuania, joined May 2006, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4758 times:

Quoting ChicagoFlyer (Reply 4):
Not really a major restriction but with Apple also announcing the recall of 'exploding batteries,' this cartoon is priceless:

HAHAHAHAHAHA thanks for that man, I was literally laughing out loud for like a minute at that.



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User currently offlineYUAMB From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4557 times:

I flew on QF108 LAX-SYD yesterday.

After takeoff, an annoucement was made that first and business passengers were now able to use the in seat power. "If you have a dell laptop, please ask your cabin staff prior to using in seat power"

As far as checking people using laptops if they were using a dell, this i could not see because the flight was barely 50% full (F around 65%, C barely 20%, Y around 50%) and no one that i saw had a laptop on...


User currently offlineVHXLR8 From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 500 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Quoting Turkee (Reply 2):
I can just imagine a flight attendant wandering around the cabin in a full 744 to every person carrying a laptop: "Excuse me, is your laptop a Dell?"

Well mate, that's exactly what QF cabin crew are doing at the moment. It's really not hard; takes all of 5 seconds.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4289 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 3):
I've seen a printout for checkin on QF... they do have these restrictions in place because of Dell having that recall due to exploding batteries.

I think everyone here is exxagerating or over reacting....."exploding batteries" for gods sake!!! The only problem with these batteries in question is that they overheat quickly and in some situations, may cause small burnouts.....not really qualify as "explosions".....


25 UPS Pilot : Peliminary report from the NTSB on the emergency landing of a UPS DC-8 in Philly stated that the fire that caused the hull loss was caused by a shipme
26 Baroque : This thread is really encouraging - NOT! I am on a QF flight on Wed coming and because my desktop has developed an "issue" with its intranet connectio
27 Post contains links and images BoeingFever777 : Really??? Thought they were on the outside... Thanks so much for pointing out something so obvious. The cells in question are made by Sony Energy Dev
28 BHMBAGLOCK : The same argument could be made for the oxygen generators that caused the ValueJet crash. Any fire, even "minor", is a major concern in an aircraft;
29 777ER : Virgin Blue have also announced the same policy as QF
30 UAL747 : As said before, the batteries are actually made by Sony, but per Dell policy, Dell takes the recalls and outfits the notebooks with new batteries. No
31 N231YE : I'm running off of an Acer Tablet PC, and it has Sanyo batteries. So Acer could be added to the list.
32 Qantas744ER : Apple laptops are also infected, Ibooks 12" Powerbooks 12" and Powerbooks 15" from battery production of 2003 to aug. 2006. I already ordered a free r
33 Post contains images Ouboy79 : Try again. From and article in Forbes: Many other laptop makers use batteries made by Sony, such as Fujitsu, Toshiba (other-otc: TOSBF.PK - news - pe
34 Baroque : I took my Twinhead battery out last night, and it defeats me to know who the heck made it. Highly anonymous contribution. But so far, it has failed to
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