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The WN Midwayover Run Aircraft Is Half Green!  
User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1609 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7237 times:
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I landed at MDW on Tuesday evening the 22nd and there outside the ATA hanger (where she has been sequestered for over 9 months) was SWA's ill fated N471WN which was the over run aricraft that ended up in the intersection of 55th and Central and sadly one young man was killed in a car---the only loss of life in SWA's brilliant 35 year histroy. And what a sight to behold she was! She was all green (new metal) on the bottom from the nose to the tale with the rebuild and had new, but unpainted engines. She looked ready to fly and was not outside the next day when I left. SWA has kept this very quiet but please help us SWA employees on this forum and tell us if she has left Midway and if so when and where she is bound and where the final work will be done on her and when we can see her back in service. By the way, her new registration will be N286WN.

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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

All right you Chicago area lens freaks...we need pictures!!!! Big grin  Big grin  Big grin

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9668 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6998 times:
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it isn't at MDW, it flew to PAE yesterday

User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6877 times:
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Wow so I saw it right before it flew again!! What time did it leave MDW? When will it be back in service?

User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9668 posts, RR: 68
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6846 times:
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it flew yesterday morning, arriving at PAE around 10:15AM local time

User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6283 times:
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Can anyone tell us when the a/c will return to service?

User currently offlineSkyHarborsHome From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 273 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6207 times:

Hmmm... I will be in Everett tomorrow and my new digital camera just arrived. I will see if I can sneak a photo even though I bet she is in a hangar.

[Edit for word usage]

[Edited 2006-08-25 23:45:55]


Fly CHD!
User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6124 times:

Quoting Dbba (Thread starter):
the only loss of life in SWA's brilliant 35 year histroy

Does the really count as a loss of life for WN? I don't want to sound really cold hearted, but the child that died was not a passenger of WN.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5995 times:

Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 7):
Does the really count as a loss of life for WN? I don't want to sound really cold hearted, but the child that died was not a passenger of WN.

I'm not trying to sound harsh here either, but I think it has to count as a loss of life fpr WN. It's an unfourtunate death that happened as the result of their operating the aircraft.

At the risk of potentially oversimplifying, if for example you are driving your car and run over a pedestrian are you responsible for their death? Or since they weren't a passenger in your car it's unfourtinate that they died, but you have nothing to do with it?

Even though arguements can be made about them not technically being responsible for the death, can you imagine the PR hell that they would catch if they took the position "Yeah, someone died. Oh well, they weren't one of our pax so we haven't had any unnatrual deaths yet?" -- less liability to just take the blame/responsibility, appologize, and move on, IMHO.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4863 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5526 times:
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My friend working at SJC sent me a text message at 6AM reading "a/c 286 is my originator going LAS MDW". Looks like she's back in service!


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User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1609 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5508 times:
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Thanks so much SILVER1SWA for this update......It is a great thing to know that this beautiful and innocent bird flies again and well.

User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5368 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 9):
My friend working at SJC sent me a text message at 6AM reading "a/c 286 is my originator going LAS MDW"

It's great she'll be flying back to MDW on her first day back in service.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 11):
It's great she'll be flying back to MDW on her first day back in service.

Actually, she went back into service yesterday, 8/31, an OAK departure, I think...


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

From what i understand it was not considered a death due to Southwest because the child did not die onboard the aircraft. He was not a passenger with or on SWA and was not affiliated with them.

So thereby it is not counted as a death for Southwest Airlines.

Alex



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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):


From what i understand it was not considered a death due to Southwest because the child did not die onboard the aircraft. He was not a passenger with or on SWA and was not affiliated with them.

Of course it's considered a death to Southwest. Offically or not, that kid would still be alive today if it weren't for that flight. Besides NTSB reports always include deaths on the ground, IRRC, so it's an offical death.

AAndrew


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13765 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4853 times:
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Quoting Aa757first (Reply 14):
NTSB reports always include deaths on the ground, IRRC, so it's an offical death.

Correct. See below:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20051213X01964&key=1

NTSB Identification: DCA06MA009.
The docket is stored in the Docket Management System (DMS). Please contact Records Management Division
Scheduled 14 CFR Part 121: Air Carrier operation of SOUTHWEST AIRLINES CO
Accident occurred Thursday, December 08, 2005 in Chicago, IL
Aircraft: Boeing 737-700, registration: N471WN
Injuries: 1 Fatal, 12 Minor, 103 Uninjured.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

A Southwest Airline B737-700, flight number 1248, slid off the runway at Chicago Midway Airport. The flight was from BWI to Midway. There was snow at the time of the accident. The flight was delayed from leaving BWI due to weather and held for 35 minutes before landing at Midway. Upon landing at Midway the airplane slid of the runway and went through a barrier fence and onto a roadway. There were 98 passengers onboard and 5 crew members on board. An emergency evacuation was done and no injuries have been reported. There are prelim reports of one ground fatality and 12 other ground injuries.



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User currently offlineFlyHoss From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 598 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):
From what i understand it was not considered a death due to Southwest because the child did not die onboard the aircraft. He was not a passenger with or on SWA and was not affiliated with them.

So thereby it is not counted as a death for Southwest Airlines.

Sorry, Alex, but you're wrong. Do a search for N.T.S.B. 830 and take the time to read it carefully. Clearly, this fatality did result from the operation of a U.S. civil aircraft, operated by Southwest.

Southwest is a great airline staffed by thousands of great employees; this is a very unfortunate tragedy.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

Thanks for the correction folks, I was told quite a bit the person has to be killed on board the aircraft for it to be considered a death for the airline.

Obviously not the case here.

Alex

[Edited 2006-09-02 05:41:49]


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User currently offlineMaartenV From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4624 times:

Why did they have to change the registration?


Its all about supply and demand...
User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4446 times:

To cover up what has happened with that aircraft; you don't want pax running searches on a reg number and realizing "I just flew on a plane that crashed!" Nor do you want employees to remember an aircraft they are working as the "MDW overrun bird." Like most marketing/advertising/P.R. moves, this one also strikes me as being pretty corny.

joe


User currently offline33Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4412 times:

Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 19):
To cover up what has happened with that aircraft; you don't want pax running searches on a reg number and realizing "I just flew on a plane that crashed!" Nor do you want employees to remember an aircraft they are working as the "MDW overrun bird." Like most marketing/advertising/P.R. moves, this one also strikes me as being pretty corny.

I wonder how retiring a registration is different from retiring a flight number (TWA 800, DL 5191...). The practice has always struck me as understandable and sensitive. What do you think?


User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1735 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4389 times:

Quoting 33Zulu (Reply 20):
I wonder how retiring a registration is different from retiring a flight number (TWA 800, DL 5191...). The practice has always struck me as understandable and sensitive. What do you think?

I agree, mainly about the flight number, which is so often quoted in the medias, after an accident, I think it could make most passengers feel uneasy. About the registration number... well, it feels a bit strange, because most of the people who would recognize an accidented aircraft from its reg. will know about its new reg., as has already been demonstrated in this thread.

How would you feel, buying an used car that has suffered an accident, especially a fatal one? (let's say, bumping a pedestrian)


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 21):
because most of the people who would recognize an accidented aircraft from its reg. will know about its new reg., as has already been demonstrated in this thread.

Actually, where have you seen on the news that N471WN is now re registered? You haven't. Unless you log onto airliners.net to look for it, you won't know it was re registered. I know I have not heard anything on the news.

Flight 1248 has also been retired from Southwest Airlines.

I flew this flight 3 weeks prior to it going off the runway, flew it Nov 13th 2005.

Alex



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4863 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4261 times:
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Quoting Jjbiv (Reply 19):
Nor do you want employees to remember an aircraft they are working as the "MDW overrun bird."

I think it's more for the passengers. It's not hard for employees, especially those dealing directly with the aircraft such as crew, rampers, ops, etc. to figure out or catch word that it is the same bird involved in the accident. Right now, the reg # being out of sequence is already drawing attention to it.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4189 times:

IIRC, they also re-registered the UA 747 that suffered a cargo door blowout and the loss of part of the fuselage about twenty years ago.

25 Arffguy : Ain't that the truth! Back in 1984 I was standing in a Denver jetway waiting to board a Frontier 737 along with a friend of mine whose father worked
26 Aircellist : I haven't seen it on the news, I've seen it on the thread starter's post. I believe many of the persons that would recognize an airplane by its reg.
27 CPDC10-30 : Absolutley true. I've had the pleasure of flying C-GITS a year and a half after its glide over the Atlantic but I was probably the only person on the
28 Jjbiv : You guys have to remember that those of us who frequent this site are about 3 standard deviations to the right of your average pax in terms of aviatio
29 Amazonphil : To the average person,passenger, or even an average automotive mechanic or individual that doesn't know how things are repaired in the aviaton indust
30 NoelG : Not an SWA fan by any chance?
31 Post contains links Tjwgrr : Back in service as N286WN (msn 32471, ex N471WN) see this: http://airlinersgallery.blogspot.com...t-returns-n286wn-ex-n471wn-to.html
32 DAYflyer : I wonder how much $ wise it cost them to put her back into service?
33 Silver1SWA : Common knowledge by now...
34 Post contains images OPNLguy : I heard the estimate was $15M-$20M, but as I've yet to see, nor am I likely to see an invoice myself, I'd consider that figure to be just a rumor...
35 Dc10rules : What is the status of the crew? Are they still on paid leave?
36 Post contains images KELPkid : So did anyone snap an a.net worthy picture of her before she was re-painted? ClickHappy?
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