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Excel 747 Evacuated At SSH (Engine Fire)  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8016 times:

According to reports, last week an Excel 747 had to be evacuated when an apparent power surge ignited an engine. All 519 passengers were evacuated safely on the runway. The flight had arrived from Manchester (MAN).

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm...bo-jet-blaze-drama--name_page.html
(Warning: Sensationalist Reporting)

A couple of questions:
1. Which aircraft was involved? maybe TF-AMK or TF-AMJ?
2. Has the problem been rectified?


Horus

[Edited 2006-08-24 20:47:43]


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User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8005 times:
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Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
All 519 passengers were evacuated safely on the runway

Wow, 519 passengers - now that's what you called packed!


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7974 times:

Quoting SK736 (Reply 1):
Wow, 519 passengers - now that's what you called packed!

Yep, they know how to pack 'em.

Horus



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User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7974 times:

According to ACARS, TF-AMK operated XLA2012 from MAN to SSH last Thursday, when the incident reportedly occured.

Mark



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User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7892 times:

In the paper, they say the aircraft is 30-year old. Common on! Whether it's AMJ or AMK, the aircraft is 22 or 23 since first flight. Please stop the BS!!!  Angry  Angry

User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4679 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7821 times:

Quoting SK736 (Reply 1):
Wow, 519 passengers - now that's what you called packed!

The champion is SS: over 580 seats !



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User currently offlineJamotcx From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1037 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 5):

The champion is SS: over 580 seats !

Which is where Air Atlanta/Excel got the planes. They were supposed to take a couple in the old Corsair config with 580 seats, but I left the company before that happened. Not sure what config MK is in?

ME and MJ are both 520 seats with 22F, 25C, 473Y


Jamo


User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7478 times:

Wouldnt be surprised if they put it out and did the return flight!

Bloody Excel... they get worse and worse!



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User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7469 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 7):
Bloody Excel... they get worse and worse!

Why's that? because an engine caught fire so the crew chose to evacuate, that sounds like a sensible option depending on the circumstances.

If the fire was caused by bad MX then you may have a point, and as for cramming in so many seats - its a charter airline.

Phil
FlyingColours



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User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7330 times:
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Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 8):
Why's that? because an engine caught fire so the crew chose to evacuate, that sounds like a sensible option depending on the circumstances.

Indeed it was sensible. But the point being made is that long delays are becoming the norm with Excel. It will be interesting to see the punctuality stats for charter airlines at the end of the season - I'm sure Excel will be at or near the bottom.


User currently offlineSteady Eddie From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

CWL Dude, stop speaking out of your *rse. The aircraft got stuck in SSH for several days, finally ferried to Europe for an engine change and is not yet back in service, pax were all protected inbound on two aircraft including what was probably a VERY expensive subservice to a European carrier. All in all Excel covered this tech issue very well and the reporting in the article is about 10% fact and 90% bull.

I guess it was Excels fault last weekend that some jerk left a bomb note on an aircraft which disrupted the whole weekend! but that will show in the stats and you will sit behind your pc and all the wannabe airline CEO's like you will start clucking on here again about how bad they are. At least SBE727 has seen sense and realised his own airline is even more of a shower.

[Edited 2006-08-25 10:40:40]

User currently offlineAntonovman From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7101 times:

"ME and MJ are both 520 seats with 22F, 25C, 473Y"
OMG now that is a lot, i always thought they were all economy seating with such a high figure but with F and C its incredible
I remember doing the Hadj in Jeddah and we had 535 on an all economy 747 and we thought that was a lot


User currently offlineKiwiTEAL From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7094 times:

Yeah - CWL-Dude........ put a sock in it! how would you know?

Leave it to the experts for us to view, not the "couch CEO's" of A-net please!

KiwiTEAL


User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
All 519 passengers were evacuated safely on the runway.

Bloody hell thats a tight fit
On another note, check out the 'tabloid' headline
"TOURISTS IN JUMBO JET BLAZE DRAMA"

Love it
Thanks
PR


User currently offlineBHXDTW From Eritrea, joined Feb 2005, 1090 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6951 times:

Quoting Steady Eddie (Reply 10):
finally ferried to Europe for an engine change and is not yet back in service

Eddie, how did they ferry it back... dumb question I know but was the engine working on this flight or did they just fly with 3 engines ??

any idea of the ferry routing and to where it now is ??


User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8653 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6931 times:

Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 8):
Why's that? because an engine caught fire so the crew chose to evacuate, that sounds like a sensible option depending on the circumstances.

I think he made a great decision. At least he was concerned for the passengers safety.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6903 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 7):
Bloody Excel... they get worse and worse!

And you haven't even flown them, so how would you know if they're good or bad? Oh yeah, i forgot, according to you, an airline is judged but what you see on an airport's arrivals board.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6809 times:

I'm not gonna sit here and argue with everyone, because no matter what I say to support my argument, it's going to get ridiculed, whether it be the strongest or weakest of points!

At the end of the day it's my own opinion, and that's what forum's are for, and as far as I'm concerned... it's yet another reason not to fly XLA!



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6307 times:

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
when an apparent power surge ignited an engine

What about those CBs.

Quoting SK736 (Reply 1):
Wow, 519 passengers - now that's what you called packed!



Quoting A342 (Reply 5):
The champion is SS: over 580 seats !

What would the seat pitch be  Smile

regds
MEL



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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6189 times:
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This got me thinking ...

We all know that aircraft have to be tested for evacuations at their maximum capacity; eg. the A380 tested with 803 (or somewhere around there) pax, and I'm sure the high density 744 pax count was in the high 500s.

Is this the largest actual "in-service" evacuation, in terms of pax #s evacuated from a single aircraft? If not, what is?

I know they test these things, but it always amazes me when one of these evacuations happens in the "real world" and everything works properly - shows how well designed the aircraft are, and how well trained the cabin staff are.

- litz


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6088 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 17):
it's yet another reason not to fly XLA!

Why, because an aircraft which just happened to be wearing XLA titles had an engine fire? One that's only been with them a year and will be gone before next summer? An engine fire can happen on any aircraft, and on this occasion it just happened to be one of XLA's.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

Quoting Litz (Reply 19):
Is this the largest actual "in-service" evacuation, in terms of pax #s evacuated from a single aircraft

Sure looks like it.Amazing.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5106 times:

Cwldude

Your comment is complete rubbish.

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 7):
Wouldnt be surprised if they put it out and did the return flight!

Take some advice.

Some would view a allegation of that type, possibly libellous, certainly made without any foundation or basis, and decide to take some action. Perhaps instruct that it be removed from a website, or maybe even consider commencing proceedings against the website or the author of the comment.

So... bear this mind when you post on websites - you could find yourself in a little bit of bother - especially as the rules here make clear, you are responsible for what you write...


The incident sounds not dis-similar to one that happened to a bmi A320 this week at MME - would you not fly them either?


Mel/Litz... the article says passengers were 'ushered' off the plane - it suggests to me this wasn't an evacuation usuing slides etc., but that passengers were deplaned as normal.


Overall, maybe not a non event, but hardly worth the hysteria that some on here, or indeed the newspaper have attached to what happened.



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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4940 times:

Any pics??

filler filler



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User currently offlineManchesteruk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

i flew on excel airways on the 16th july, 757 g-vkna,our flight was manchester to zakynthos , we got to southern france an were told we had to head back due to engine trouble,fortunately we diverted to gatwick we waited for 7 hours until g-vknd came for us,

25 Christeljs : And so are some A320s
26 Morvious : and your point was what again?? Glad everyone was out okay!!
27 A342 : 30" or 31", maybe 32" on some seats. 29 of the 587 seats are some sort of premium class, they are on the upper deck. However, these are 744s, was the
28 A3204eva : Oh dear, I checked this flight in too!!!
29 Post contains images ZBA320 : Excel is a 747-300 if I remember rightly A342.
30 A342 : Thanks ! Do you also happen to know how many seats it has ?
31 Post contains images A3204eva : If it's the same a/c, then it was operating on behalf on FJE (Flyjet)
32 Boysteve : Is it wrong to judge an airline based on the airports arrivals board? If price, departure times and service are all very similar then why the hell no
33 Planesarecool : Yes. Firstly, arrivals boards can be wrong. For example, a few months ago, somebody stated that two Excel flights into Manchester had been cancelled,
34 MCOflyer : I'm guessing 32in pitch and 34 on the EE rows. MCOflyer
35 Boysteve : OK, you make 3 good points to take into account when comparing airlines however I will only accept your first one in this case! If you read my initia
36 Planesarecool : But cwldude hasn't even flown Excel, so knows nothing about the service. He's basing his opinions solely by what he see's on arrivals boards, or by w
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