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My Father's Name Causes Issue  
User currently offlineNML1011 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11255 times:

Hey all,
I just thought of posting this, considering its happend a few times. I've flown twice over the past two years, once to California and the other to Florida. Both flights have been on Southwest out of MDW. And everytime checking in (we used skycap and normal check in), my fathers name came up in some sort of database. They had to make us wait, and I guess verify it wasn't the particular person in the database. I guess a man shared the same name as my father, and was on a "no-fly" list or something? Anyone know what could have caused that? We haven't flown in over a year, so I don't know if it is still an issue, but it made me rather curious.

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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8188 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11159 times:

I think they sometimes expand the list from one name to anyone with that surname. One trip this year I did was from Austin TX to Montreal PQ, Continental from Austin to Houston to La Guardia and Air Canada from La Guardia to Montreal. The leg from Houston to LGA was a shit, they lost my seat assignment and instead of a midship window, I got the very back (non-reclining) row in the aisle. Next to me was some US military guy in plainclothes reading an excruciatingly gruesome report about how to go into Iraqi homes and kill people, which was both upsetting and gives lie to "Yanks don't do irony".

I walked up to Air Canada at LGA and said, "Aha! Back in civilisation!" The guy behind the desk replied, "Are you Mr C. Jet?" Which didn't bode well. I had been flagged on their system as being on the no-fly list and would have to be interviewed by some security guy. I told him I'd submit to a full body cavity search if they could guarantee a window seat, which seemed to amuse him. He took my passport, credit card, ticket printout, LH/*A ff card and everything else and came back about 20 minutes later and said I had been cleared, no interview necessary. Because of the cavity search gag, he was my buddy enough to ask him why he thought I'd been on this list. The agent told me it's cos my surname is the same as a political opponent to Bush, and the guy with whom I share a surname is a permanent fixture of the no fly list (which I think is really true, I'm sure I read it in the NYT) and some days everyone with that surname gets the special treatment, and other days other surnames get it. Not all no flyers are there just cos they're on W's shit list, I hasten to add, most are directly related to alleged terror attacks or threats, and Britney's stalker, apparently.

So no cavity search thank god, and I got the window seat, even though some fucking French Canadian woman had the nerve to ask me if I would sit in her aisle seat so she could sit next to her buddy, my seatmate. I told her to piss off.)



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User currently offlineTheSunseeker From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 11159 times:

Well, if his name is "Bin Laden"... Wink


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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11032 times:

I always have problems because my first name is an extremely common girl's name in the US, but I am in fact male (ask the security people in Frankfurt). It is a hassle and annoying at times, especially when the airline changes MR to MS thinking they did me a favor, but I sigh, or make a joke, and life goes on...

User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 11032 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Next to me was some US military guy in plainclothes reading an excruciatingly gruesome report about how to go into Iraqi homes and kill people, which was both upsetting

He's in the military and that's his job. What do you expect him to do, go into an insurgent's home, shake the guy's hand and ask to have a chat?

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
The agent told me it's cos my surname is the same as a political opponent to Bush,

You don't really believe that, do you? If it were true, every Democrat in the U.S. would be on a no-fly list.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
I told her to piss off

Nice attitude. I'm sure people just love sitting next to a guy like you on a flight.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10947 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
So no cavity search thank god, and I got the window seat, even though some fucking French Canadian woman had the nerve to ask me if I would sit in her aisle seat so she could sit next to her buddy, my seatmate. I told her to piss off.

You sound like the type of passenger who would refuse to move to let a mother sit next to her daughter, or a newlywed couple to sit together. That's sad.


User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26785 posts, RR: 75
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10832 times:

Quoting TheSunseeker (Reply 2):
Well, if his name is "Bin Laden"...

With that last name, they give you private jets in the US

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 4):
He's in the military and that's his job. What do you expect him to do, go into an insurgent's home, shake the guy's hand and ask to have a chat?

No, actually, it isn't.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10748 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Because of the cavity search gag, he was my buddy enough to ask him why he thought I'd been on this list. The agent told me it's cos my surname is the same as a political opponent to Bush, and the guy with whom I share a surname is a permanent fixture of the no fly list (which I think is really true, I'm sure I read it in the NYT) and some days everyone with that surname gets the special treatment, and other days other surnames get it. Not all no flyers are there just cos they're on W's shit list, I hasten to add, most are directly related to alleged terror attacks or threats, and Britney's stalker, apparently.

If you believe that you're name was flagged because some moron said you sahred the same surname as a Bush opponent you need help - and lots of it.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Next to me was some US military guy in plainclothes reading an excruciatingly gruesome report about how to go into Iraqi homes and kill people, which was both upsetting and gives lie to "Yanks don't do irony".

Curious, how do you know a) he was US military and b) the report was gruesome and c) what the subject of the report happened to be? With your attitude I doubt you'd strike up a conversation with anyone. I further doubt you read the report he was reading, other than perhaps a occasional sneak and peek. I smell bullshit embellishment all over this. Actually, I just smell bullshit.


User currently offlineJlbmedia From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10643 times:
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Cedarjet,
This is the first time I have ever posted anything like this, but as far as I can see, your whole response is a well disguised political statement.



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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4376 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10604 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
No, actually, it isn't.

Yes, actually, it is.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21580 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 10604 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):

Sounds like they got the guy they were looking for in your case, and you don't want to admit it...

Well, actually, it sounds like your whole story is fabricated.

I mean, CO losing your seat assignment and sitting next to a military guy reading a report on how to commit murder on the same flight? Seems to validate everything you write on these forums very conveniently. And then of course the no fly list thing being because of someone who doesn't like Bush having the same name. They don't tell you why you are on the list like you claim, but it makes a fine story...



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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10356 times:

The databases also don't tell the airline personnel what the person on the no-fly-list is on the list for, in any way shape or form. It sounds like the guy at check-in just made it up on the spot...there isn't like a biographical reference for each flag, i mean come on, it doesn't even make basic sense...

User currently offlineNML1011 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10260 times:

so basically he's just on the 'no-fly' list because of some other fool who screwed up? that sucks for my dad, if hes still on it that is....although there was never any hint towards an interview or even anything intimidating. we actually only thought something of it the second time it happend. they just made us wait for less than five minutes, and told us we we're fine to continue.

User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 10058 times:

Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 8):
Cedarjet,
This is the first time I have ever posted anything like this, but as far as I can see, your whole response is a well disguised political statement.

Not that well disguised.


User currently offlineMoek2000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9582 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
So no cavity search thank god, and I got the window seat, even though some fucking French Canadian woman had the nerve to ask me if I would sit in her aisle seat so she could sit next to her buddy, my seatmate. I told her to piss off.)

Cedarjet, you have the honor of being the first person on my RU.

I was on the "shit" list too and it took TSA exactly 1 year and 4 days to reply (I didn't say clear my name) but to reply to my application for clearance for my name and they denied it. Ending result, cost me $30 in postage and notarization fees and TSA has a copy of my driver's license, social security, passport, employment info, etc and what I got was absolutely nothing.


User currently offlineMoek2000 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9471 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 4):
He's in the military and that's his job. What do you expect him to do, go into an insurgent's home, shake the guy's hand and ask to have a chat?

Lol, what a silly person you are. How do you know this guy is an insurgent? Well, I don't blame you... If Iraq or any other country was at war with us here on our soil, i'm sure you'd stand up for our country just like all of us. And we'd all be labeled "insurgents" by the Iraqi's and get our heads blown off. I guess blowing the enemy's heads off first before they blow ours seems pretty logical doesn't it?


User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1875 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9166 times:
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User currently offlineEK345 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

Why can't we all just get along and just talk about aviation instead eh?  Smile

EK345



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User currently offlineJoshdean From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8823 times:

Haven't been on a.net for a while, but as far as I can see the usual mindless bickering and bitching continues.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
you need help - and lots of it.

Is there any point in making a statement like that and implying somebody needs mental help? That is just being sensationalistic and contributes nothing to the discussion.

Anyway, back to the discussion.

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Next to me was some US military guy in plainclothes reading an excruciatingly gruesome report about how to go into Iraqi homes and kill people, which was both upsetting and gives lie to "Yanks don't do irony".

All of you that have had a go at Cedarjet for saying this have assumed that he had only caught a sneak-peak of this report. You don't know how graphic this report was. It could have been extremely graphic. I can understand that having sensitive material on view in a confined space like that could cause upset. In exactly the same way it would be inappropriate for me to sit there with a porn mag whilst sitting next to an 8 year-old.

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 9):
Yes, actually, it is.

That is very lame.


User currently offlineCX777Fan From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8187 times:

Cedarjet: 10 Points my friend, for being able to find humor amidst the american security hyperbole.

My name too seems to be on some list. My partner and I took several flights on UA out of NRT in the last couple of years. Without fail, 100% of the time, my boarding pass had those bloody big SSSSs on it. At NRT that usually meant the minor inconvenience of a half hearted hand luggage search at the boarding gate. In HK it meant a somewhat more thorough carry on search. In Singapore it was the Spanish Inquisition. (If the idiot texas cowboy can invoke the Crusades in his "war on terror" I can invoke the Spanish Inquisition in my own senseless rant)  hissyfit 

I'll get flamed with all the usual stuff about a little inconvenience being a small price to pay etc etc (which to be honest is irrefutable) but seriously, have these"random" searches and denying babies and little old women from boarding flights because they have an unfortunate name actually managed to identify anyone who is a genuine threat?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Quoting TheSunseeker (Reply 2):Well, if his name is "Bin Laden"...
With that last name, they give you private jets in the US

Good call!!! Love the wit and insight!!!


User currently offlineRaventom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8104 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 4):
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 1):
Next to me was some US military guy in plainclothes reading an excruciatingly gruesome report about how to go into Iraqi homes and kill people, which was both upsetting

He's in the military and that's his job. What do you expect him to do, go into an insurgent's home, shake the guy's hand and ask to have a chat?

Typical! Well Americans do go for firepower. Whereas Brits tend to go for precision, accuracy and quality planning. Making sure the house is actually occupied by insurgents.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8000 times:

Quoting Joshdean (Reply 18):
Is there any point in making a statement like that and implying somebody needs mental help? That is just being sensationalistic and contributes nothing to the discussion.

Not any more sensationalistic than Cedarjets obviously 'sensationalistic', obviously politically motivated and likely overly exaggerated post to which I replied. I make note he hasn't popped back in here and answered my questions . . . .

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
Curious, how do you know a) he was US military and b) the report was gruesome and c) what the subject of the report happened to be?

Next?


User currently offlineJustplanecrazy From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7858 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 4):

I think it would a waste of ammo to go into a house a start killing people.It might be a good idea to shake their hands first,have a chat then decide if you want to kill them all in a gruesome way.Also the problem with killing women and children is that it's bad propaganda so have a chat first.
Redflyer don't join the army you'd waste a lot of ammo and kill a lot of innocent people.

[Edited 2006-08-25 13:36:57]


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User currently offlineParabolica From Spain, joined Mar 2006, 85 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7673 times:

Quoting Raventom (Reply 20):
Typical! Well Americans do go for firepower. Whereas Brits tend to go for precision, accuracy and quality planning. Making sure the house is actually occupied by insurgents.

Yes, and you also persist on driving on the left. Your point about civil aviation is...?

Gentlemen, this thread is not about civil aviation anymore, and the cheap shots being taken at various nationalities is insulting to everyone. May I recommend we shut this down?

Regards,
P-



oh please let there never be cell phones in airliners...
User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 5):
You sound like the type of passenger who would refuse to move to let a mother sit next to her daughter, or a newlywed couple to sit together. That's sad.

Agreed. It is sad. I have given up my window seat for many times for people to sit together and you say go p--- off. Thats too sad my friend.

MCOflyer



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25 AlexFord : I have a work colleague who has the same 'name' issue. I can check him and I in online when flying from the UK to the USA but I cannot check him in on
26 Post contains images Cedarjet : I don't need to exaggerate or be "sensationalistic" (made-up word there ANC) on the internet to impress people I've never met. I couldn't care less i
27 Post contains images SAA346 : Held at IST for 5 hours because the first three letters of my surname on my UK passport were the same as female travelling on Australian passport (I'
28 Raventom : Looks like you joined in yourself with the cheap shots.
29 RedFlyer : All I did was comment on the guy being in the military and having to know how to do certain aspects of his job. His job as a serviceman is first and
30 DeltaDC9 : Sorry, but that is just not even remotely believable, unless someone picked up on your attitude and was having some twisted fun. Every word is made u
31 JBo : I think Cedarjet's post, if anything, is wrapped up in nothing less than good ol' British wit. Whether the whole Bush thing was serious or not, it's s
32 YULWinterSkies : I didn't know that being a political opponent would cause you to be on a no-fly list. That sounds like Cuba or China, not the USA... geez, what kind
33 Yellowstone : I have had a similar experience, though not with the TSA's list. My sister has the same (or similar) name to someone whom UA will not allow on their f
34 DarkBlue : Ha, no kidding. It is really incredible how many people on this thread read a story secondhand and see one little comment, then automatically make as
35 Joshdean : Well it kind of speaks for itself. It means I consider your view to be lame, i.e. wrong and without reason. I think it is lame because you are being
36 RedFlyer : Really? Where did I say that? All I said is he's in the military and part of his training is urban warfare. Just like he's trained to shoot a gun wit
37 Stratofortress : This is a completely inappropriate forum for this type of discussion. Please take your political bickering elsewhere, and let us talk about aviation.
38 RIXrat : Cedarjet, After reading all the posts and biting my lip to refrain from getting into the political hassle, I must say that you're a bit over the top,
39 Jetdeltamsy : Most likely that is exactly what is going on. Happens every day. Generally a human agent has to take the extra step of entering your government issue
40 Cedarjet : It was hard to avoid. I don't mind people reading over my shoulder, in fact when someone is doing it to me, I will tilt what I'm reading towards them
41 Planespotting : For fuck's sake people, what is this the non-aviation forum? Let's all just settle down and take a deep breath before this gets anymore ridiculous: Ce
42 Cedarjet : Thank you dude. And as you suggest, of course I am after all a gentleman so I didn't actually say "piss off". What I said was, "Non. Je suis desole,
43 Jlbmedia : Joshdean, Somehow you put my username on someone else's quote. I did not post what you refer to in post #35. John
44 Planespotting : English Translation: No. I am sorry, but I would like to look out the window. Thank you.
45 Radarbeam : Ah yes. Well you obviously do irony very well. Very civilized of you!
46 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : One only has to go beyond this thread Planespotting, and read some of Cedarjets drivel elsewhere to understand the purpose and meanding of his post.
47 NML1011 : wow. sorry for the ruckus i've started...haha. never thought this would be the main focus of the thread.
48 Planespotting : Come on buddy, I wasn't firing any salvo's haphazardly, I was simply referring to the context within this thread, and explaining what I thought was t
49 Post contains images ANCFlyer : On a lighter note - I'll be at CID on 9/1 @ 1000 from ORD and then again on 9/5 @ 0600 back to ORD . . . if you're in the area it'd be my priviledge
50 Planespotting : might be able to make that work. you gonna have any free time on the ground while you're here or just airport time?
51 ANCFlyer : Check your Airliners PM.
52 Justplanecrazy : I don't believe anything i read in fact i don't believe anything i read.That's why i don't ever read newspapers.
53 MRURUN : Maybe when you're in your dotage you will read the history books and THIS is exactly how they will describe this lamentable part of a once fine natio
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