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Mexicana Close To Airbus Order  
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9509 times:

The airline recently issued a request for proposals for 40 planes, and a spokesman said the airline already received a bid from Airbus for 14 firm orders and 26 options. The order would be a mix of A318s, A319s and A320s, all types the airline already operates. The specific number of each aircraft type will not be determined until the order is finalized, the spokesman said. The carrier did not ask for a bid from Boeing because it believes the commonality of an all-Airbus fleet will cut costs and improve efficiency. Mexicana will lease the new planes, rather than buy the aircraft.

The complete article can be found here.

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/new...ily_story.jsp?id=news/MEX08246.xml


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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9382 times:

Yaaaaay! Finally disclosed... this will be a full expansion order, its estimated that only 14 A320 will be replaced (older A320 frames) the rest will be for expansion as well as high possible chances that Click might be getting their first A319s.

MX will try to reach 100 frames by 2010!!!

g77 APM



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User currently offlineOrbis From Mexico, joined Dec 2003, 244 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9348 times:

I still don't understand their widebody/long haul strategy...... if any.


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User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2481 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9329 times:

MX will be selling the older A320's (owned by the airline) and get some cash to offset some of the loses they had in the previous quarters. Leased airplanes will replace them. Interesting move to keep the airline with a young fleet... the only problem will be to reach an agreement with the unions, specially after AM gave away benefits to the same unions. Well, after all, AM is government owned and MX is not, so it is not perfect competition. Good luck MX with negotiations...

User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 4 weeks ago) and read 9322 times:

Quoting Orbis (Reply 2):

I know, such a premium airline with good wishes but no actions. I don't understand as well where is that so called desired International ( besides the US) leadership. Sad Sad

But great new for new airplanes, at least they are doing something!



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User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9239 times:

One thing that surprised me from the article, is that it mentions that MX hasn't ruled out ordering the B777 to replace the old B767s and expand internationally.... so if that's the case, MX isn't thinking in becoming an all-Airbus operator afterall... they probably want a great aircraft, and perhaps the B777 appears as the right choice.... maybe since AM is having a blast with their B777, MX thinks they should compete "fairly" and not lag behind.... with this new information, the idea of seeing a A340 in MX appears more distant each day.... and they do seem to need something bigger and newer than those B767 before 2012, so waiting for the A350 is out of the question.... anyone has more information on this subject?


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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9218 times:

Well, the Aviaton Daily article clearly mentions....

" The carrier hasn´t ruled out ordering 777s for its long haul expansion, including service to China as early as 2007 or 2008 "

What can we make of that ?

Umm... I think Mexicana will be coming up with news regarding its long haul operations, as soon as it concludes negotiations with its three unions. The management will play a " hole in one " manoeuver and sell its whole 5 year business plan to the unions as a single package.

Best regards

[Edited 2006-08-25 07:01:50]


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User currently offline737-990 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9160 times:

Any news on engine choice? Mexicana operates it's buses with both IAE and CFMs, although it seems as if all new aircraft lately have come with CFM engines. If it's dumping it's older A320s we could see Mexicana standardize with CFM across its fleet.


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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8879 times:

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 4):
I don't understand as well where is that so called desired International ( besides the US) leadership. Sad Sad

I agree. I tought this would be the announcement where we would finally hear of a couple of wide-body jets. Still excellent news, sometime in the future, every major airport in the US will be serve by Mexicana.


User currently offlineRojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2481 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8703 times:

Quoting Juventus (Reply 8):
Quoting KLM685 (Reply 4):
I don't understand as well where is that so called desired International ( besides the US) leadership. Sad Sad

I agree. I tought this would be the announcement where we would finally hear of a couple of wide-body jets. Still excellent news, sometime in the future, every major airport in the US will be serve by Mexicana.

MX should start working on its Long Range Operating Plan or AM will take the lead in the Mexico-US/Canada routes and will increase domination of Mexico - SouthAmerica routes. Today, AM just confirmed new US and Canada destinations for 2006:

FLL
SAT
AUS
YYZ (confirmed for December)

"New international destinations in diversified markets is AM's bet for growth" Expect an an aggressive growth in South America too!!!

http://www.reforma.com/negocios/articulo/680546/


User currently offlineNavega From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8528 times:

Rojo,

With this order Mexicana is obviously committed to continue their domination of the US/Mexico market as well
as that of the Canadian as well as Central and South American markets. I am refering to competition with other Mexican Carriers.

Everything I have read confirms that they are the International Airline of Mexico.

I don't think they are very interested in dominating the domestic Mexican Market which is Aeromexico stronghold.

I personally think they are making a very smart move.


User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8459 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 3):
Good luck MX with negotiations...

This announcement will be good for negociations, as they will be offering the aircraft to pilots union, now let´s see for F/A´s union that are the ones that called the strike on september, but those guys really want a lot of stuff and are not offering anything.

For long haul, fortunately we will see the plane next year hopefully, still some arrangements to be made, also with the problems found on N957PG, and MXB being returned in december, the widebody´s have to arrive soon.

Saludos



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User currently offlineKezensky From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

From my point of view - the announcement will help to ease off some doubt´s, that many fellow pilots had about the fleet growth plans.
Now let´s hope that the F/A´s also get the point of what´s really at stake...!

Tom


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 978 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8321 times:

Good news for Mexicana, glad to see them expanding.

In my opinion Mexico has two great airlines in AeroMexico and Mexicana. I've flown them both plenty of times and like them both. Both have been steadily upgrading and improving their fleets over the last few years which should keep them competitive and allow them to expand even further.

 bigthumbsup 

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User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8211 times:

Quoting Rojo (Reply 9):
SAT

My mom and brother were on this flight a month ago and they told me that the flight was packed completly. Which really makes a tough competition in this route with MX.

Quoting Rojo (Reply 9):
"New international destinations in diversified markets is AM's bet for growth" Expect an an aggressive growth in South America too!!!

Excellent! Let's see what are they bringing to us!



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

Nothing on those long rumoured widebody orders. When is it going to happen?

User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7177 times:

Quoting Orbis (Reply 2):
I still don't understand their widebody/long haul strategy...... if any.

They're keeping this in secret but it should follow the short-medium haul order.

MX is currently facing big problems with Click as their expansion projects are for the moment stopped as they haven't been able to get more Fokkers out there in the second hand market in order to increase the fleet to 25 frams as planned.

They first in hand will have to solve QA's fleet shortage, later it's A320 substition/growth and last but not least, the long haul fleet renewal.

MX is forecasting Asia as the best market for growth. They will land in China and 4 more countries. They will continue it's American expansion along with flights to Brazil, Chile and the reinforcement of EZE. They want to put UIO/GYE back as well as they're now considering Bolivia with the current LB crisis.

Good things to come at MX!!!

g77 APM



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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5236 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7160 times:

Forgot to mention, coming up order will either be B777 or A330/A340.

g77 APM



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7123 times:

If Boeing products aren't pleasing MX, look for A330/340 order soon. I guess if they order A340's they will be A346's. They could take the 345's that AC has.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineAnthsaun From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 544 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6523 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 18):
If Boeing products aren't pleasing MX, look for A330/340 order soon.

MX is pleased with the Boeing products, but the A320's do an excellent job and there is no need for the B737. On the other hand, the B757 is a great aircraft best suiting MX's needs. The problem is that it is old and expensive to get. Also, MX is really happy with the B767. Nevertheless, new aircrafts is what MX is looking for.

From my point of view, MX should get more B767's for South America, and B747's for Asia. The new 40 A320's along with the older ones will keep Canada, USA, Mexico, C.A. and the Caribbean well coverd.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6152 times:

Quoting Anthsaun (Reply 19):
Also, MX is really happy with the B767. Nevertheless, new aircrafts is what MX is looking for.

I bet Boeing would give them a deal on 787's.

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
Mexicana will lease the new planes, rather than buy the aircraft.

You have ups and downs with that. The ups is rates being kept down if you're in good financial condition. The down sides are number of years the lease is. Who does MX lease their a/c from? Will the 757's go to DL since they are powered by P&W?

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineN405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5914 times:

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 20):
Who does MX lease their a/c from?

Mexibus
ILFC
GECAS
Orix

Quoting Anthsaun (Reply 19):
MX is really happy with the B767

With the cost of the lease of MXB, as they got a great deal, but maintenance is not very happy, also with what the found on N957PG, they are not so happy with the aircraft, also that´s why they cancelled the other 767 to return MXB.

Saludos



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User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

Quoting Anthsaun (Reply 19):
From my point of view, MX should get more B767's for South America, and B747's for Asia

Anthony, with due respect, I think the second hand 76s are getting somehow obsolete and pricey to operate due to maintenance issues. The 74s are also quite costly to fly and they are now making way for the T7s.

A pilot friend of mine at Mexicana has been telling me very interesting things about the company´s long haul plans and twin aisle equipment evaluation. As soon as I have more info, I would like to open a thread in order to discuss some issues. However, it is almost certain that MX will be picking up the 777. It is only a matter of a few more weeks in order for them to announce the deal, as they need to secure slots at Boeing real fast. They want new frames for the China adventure.

Best regards

[Edited 2006-08-26 19:56:59]


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5735 times:

I am glad to see MX getting more planes. Hopefully they will be able to add new, profitable routes to the U.S. and Latin America. They should also add YYC at least seasonally. And finally an A318-operated MTY-CCS would be awesome.

I hope MX finds a good way to deal with the QA issue. They certainly need to expand their low-cost subsidiary and the lack of F100's is a bad thing. Ghost and Logan, do you think we will see QA become an all-A319 operator in the long-run?

Finally, as for the long-haul fleet, it is interesting MX is considering the 777. I remember not too long ago Logan mentioned that the chance of ordering A332 was back on the table due to the situation with the 767's. I can't wait for the formal announcement.



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User currently offlineThebry From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5659 times:
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Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 20):
I bet Boeing would give them a deal on 787's.

Why would Boeing do a thing like that? With over 400 frames ordered / committed to, production slots are evaporating fast. Boing's in the catbird seat for the time being.

I'm just happy to see another pending large Airbus order (even if just for the A318/19/20)... The Airbus orderbooks have been a little stagnant since Farnborough.


25 Socal : Mexicana use to be a good Boeing customer, what happened? Is Airbus giving them a better deal? I dont think Mexicana has taken in consideration what t
26 Post contains images Orbis : First of all, I must say I celebrate the news but with all due respect to everyone’s opinion and since I am a loyal MX’s fan and FF, I World like
27 N405MX : Still is, but got delayed because MX is not able to get a got deal for the lease. For long haul, they are considering the A340, as it sounds to be th
28 EddieDude : I may be mistaken, but it seems to me that MX decided to replace its 727 fleet with the A32x because at that point in time the A32x was much better th
29 Adriaticus : The A318 is lease-wise a very expensive aircraft (for being new), to be put to work under QA's colors and cost structure. The older A319s could be, a
30 N405MX : Not at all, as for example, with the pilots will be cheaper to operate, also MX gives service to QA, it will be less inventory for pieces, and also f
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