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Etihad And Emirates To The US Of A  
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Posted (8 years 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 8715 times:

Just saw that Etihad's AUH-JFK is already in the system with the A340-500. Looks like it is as of sometime in October and its a daily 3-class service.

So here are some questions:

Question 1

So EY will start JFK with the A345. What about other destinations in North America? Will YYZ continue to be operated by the 332 via BRU?

Question 2

With regards to EK, are there are any definite plans to serve destinations other than JFK?

Question 3

Anything in the pipeline for other US-Gulf flights? QR for instance? Any US carrier coming back to Dubai?

Question 4

How long ago did MH stop DXB-JFK?

Thanks in advance for answers. I hear that EY's offering is pretty good. By the way it looks as though NZ LAX-LHR services are going to be operated by the 777 by the end of the year or sooner - wasn't aware of that.


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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 8618 times:

The word is that the A345's will operate YYZ-AUH non-stop in the future.


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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
With regards to EK, are there are any definite plans to serve destinations other than JFK?

The EK website has said that LAX is a desire when appropriate aircraft are available.



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3008 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 8545 times:

You know, just a theory but... Emirates was planning flights to SFO for quite some time. I don't really know what happened to those plans but apparently they are on hold for the time being. SFO area has a pretty large Arab population that can greatly benefit from non-stop service to the Middle East. Maybe not a daily, but a few services a week will definitely go out almost full.
Etihad can leap across EK and maybe step out on the route. It will be great to see one of the carriers here in the near future!

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

I'm just waiting for the know-nothing factions of both political parties to suddenly go berserk and institute bans on all Arab airlines from flying non-stop to the US.

Judging by the disgraceful over-the-top reactions to the Dubai ports deal, I suspect this will be coming soon.


User currently offlineBnamaxx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 5 hours ago) and read 8497 times:

I have always heard of EK and SFO but like another poster said, that's been quiet lately. IAH was also being discussed. I think EK is fast trying to become the worlds most comprehensive global carriers and if it can obtain more fifth freedom rights, they are going to start hurting some incumbents.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 8341 times:
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I've heard that EK is now seriously considering operating CHC-LAX after NZ announced it wont re-start the seasonal operations using a B772ER

User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 8308 times:

I'm excited aboutt Etihad coming to JFK...I saw their livery for the first time in LHR a few weeks ago and was very impressed. I assume they will be flying into T4 at JFK?

Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
How long ago did MH stop DXB-JFK?

They flew into EWR.


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 8308 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 7):
I assume they will be flying into T4 at JFK?

Yes sir.

Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
QR for instance?

Apparently Qatar is the next Gulf airline to enter into the U.S. market. DOH-JFK with the A340-600 is apparently being planned.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4785 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 8217 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 8):
Apparently Qatar is the next Gulf airline to enter into the U.S. market. DOH-JFK with the A340-600 is apparently being planned.

Its already been confirmed that QR will be flying to JFK nonstop from DOH with the A 346...but the launch date hasnt been set as yet. They are waiting for more A 330s to be delivered in order to free up 2 A 346s which will be dedicated to the JFK route.

I still do not know why EY chose JFK over EWR when their initial DOT application made last September was for AUH-EWR daily nonstop with the A 345.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 1):
The word is that the A345's will operate YYZ-AUH non-stop in the future.

Yes this has been rumored by BRU's Airport Employees and if you ask the check in staff ladies at YYZ airport who work for EY this question, they give a guilty looking smile and acknowledge it...but Ive heard that its not with the A 345 but B 773ER.

Capacity wise the A 345 is perfect for a 3 weekly AUH-YYZ-AUH operation however there is NO DEMAND for EYs First Class out of YYZ nor into it but there is for its J class...but then again the 2 class 378 seater B 773ER is too big to be used for these flights.


User currently offlineAirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month ago) and read 8154 times:

This is just a wild guess, but QR might surprise all of us and start a DOH-IAD with its own metal plus code-share with UA on the route. UA has already applied for this route authority, I have heard. This would not be the first codeshare flights with other *A airlines for QR, they already have agreements with OZ, NH, BD, TG.....

QR is already active in the US through code-share flights on LH metal, from Frankfurt to JFK, EWR, ORD and IAH.

There is more to come.....



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User currently offlineCartoonranger From United Arab Emirates, joined Aug 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7943 times:

Mr Al Baker stated that QR aircraft would be flying to the states direct by year end. However, i think the Qatar CAA have to be audited by the FAA for approval, which is due to take place in september.

User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7920 times:

Last months issue of Airways outlined Etihads plans to expand into north America. What sort of a/c would be needed on the AUH-LAX run?

Tom

Also, totally off topic, but which has more range the A345or the 777LR


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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7817 times:

Thanks for all the replies guys. Let's hope to hear some concrete news soon.

Quoting BA787 (Reply 12):
Also, totally off topic, but which has more range the A345or the 777LR

772LR has more range and is a far superior aircraft in just about every quantifiable way, except for perhaps list price.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12172 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7761 times:
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Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
NZ LAX-LHR services are going to be operated by the 777

Only NZ1 and NZ2 will be operated by B772s. B744s will again take over in the Southern Summer (December/Janurary)


User currently offlineAUA747 From Aruba, joined Jul 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
How long ago did MH stop DXB-JFK?

MH flew KUL-DXB-EWR-DXB-KUL not JFK then it swichted DXB for ARN about a year or two ago.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

Quoting AUA747 (Reply 15):
Quoting AirxLiban (Thread starter):
How long ago did MH stop DXB-JFK?

MH flew KUL-DXB-EWR-DXB-KUL not JFK then it swichted DXB for ARN about a year or two ago.

Yep correct, they heard that EK was starting the route and quickly moved stations to ARN  Smile

It was dropped near to EK annoucing and starting their own DXB-JFK flight!

I was MH would fly the route via AMS now  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineAF-A319 From France, joined Oct 1999, 603 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

To add more substance to the discussion, here are some stats about Emirates' performance on its NYC to DXB flights (source: US Department of Transport)

MONTH - SLF
Jan-05 - 87.9%
Feb-05 - 67.4%
Mar-05 - 73.0%
Apr-05 - 82.1%
May-05 - 92.2%
Jun-05 - 95.6%
Jul-05 - 93.1%
Aug-05 - 94.0%
Sep-05 - 89.7%
Oct-05 - 89.4%
Nov-05 - 69.5%
Dec-05 - 63.7%
Jan-06 - 67.9%
Feb-06 - 65.3%

It can be noted that the seat load factor was extremely high until the introduction of the second daily frequency in Nov-05. Overall, the stats suggest that Emirates is quite succesful on the route - too bad we don't have access to yield information.


User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6561 times:

Quoting Cartoonranger (Reply 11):
Mr Al Baker stated that QR aircraft would be flying to the states direct by year end

Would " direct" mean via an European city maybe. There were rumors before that they would stop somewher in Europe especially with a stop that would surprise us totally.


User currently offlineCartoonranger From United Arab Emirates, joined Aug 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6416 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 18):
Would " direct" mean via an European city maybe. There were rumors before that they would stop somewher in Europe especially with a stop that would surprise us totally.

No as i understand it he wants 'Direct'. Being in direct competition with EK and EY a stopping service would just not compete. I believe it could be fairly lucrative too as there are a significant number of US servicemen in Qatar and BA flights are usually packed with them.


User currently offlineBkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6276 times:

AF-A319- where do you get that load factor information? Do you have a url?

Very interesting.


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6259 times:

What will happen to EY Brussels service if YYZ goes nonstop?And for now are they still using the same old and leased A332 on this flight with the hopeless J class or have they put one of the other A332 on this flight. Im very curious as my wife is booked for next week and i will be flying to Brussels in late september.

User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2595 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 9):
Yes this has been rumored by BRU's Airport Employees and if you ask the check in staff ladies at YYZ airport who work for EY this question, they give a guilty looking smile and acknowledge it...but Ive heard that its not with the A 345 but B 773ER.

The lady you talked to probably worked for Aviapartner - the check-in staff who handle EY wear the EY uniform.

Quoting KHI747 (Reply 21):
And for now are they still using the same old and leased A332 on this flight with the hopeless J class or have they put one of the other A332 on this flight.

The aircraft that you refer to are the 3 machines that were leased from TAM. 2 of these have been returned recently, and the third will be gone within the next few weeks. The config deployed on this route is the F12 J24 Y180 config. This is not the latest EY Diamond and Pearl Zone product, but still very nice - all EY standard decor and IFE.


User currently offlineKHI747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5125 times:

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 22):
The aircraft that you refer to are the 3 machines that were leased from TAM. 2 of these have been returned recently, and the third will be gone within the next few weeks. The config deployed on this route is the F12 J24 Y180 config. This is not the latest EY Diamond and Pearl Zone product, but still very nice - all EY standard decor and IFE

Thanks for your input UK_Dispatcher.But i think the sole remaining A332 tends to be on the BRU-YYZ flights more often then not- unfortunately for me.My wife travelled to BRU in May.The first flight from KHI-AUH was on a A332 with the very nice green J class seats but her connecting BRU flight was on that dreadfully equipped ex TAM A332.

Since you are an ATC at AUH,do you have any info either from EY or from your own observation if the ex TAM A332 is still doing the BRU-YYZ runs all three times a week? Thanks!


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