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DL At ATL : USA's Largest Tatl Gateway  
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9049 times:

Based on a recent analysis of OAG data based on July 2006 schedules, DL's transatlantic hub at ATL is the largest gateway from the US across the Atlantic based on ASMs.

ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL

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User currently offlineATLflyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8927 times:

Really...good to hear!

User currently offlineMarkATL From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 539 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8901 times:

I would assume this means single carrier?


"...left my home in Georgia, 'n headed for the "Frisco" Bay...
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8880 times:

Is this the largest transatlantic gateway for just US airlines, or all airlines combined? Given the transatlantic presence at JFK with both DL and AA and all of the other international airlines combined, surely I would think New York would still be the largest US transatlantic gateway. Am I wrong?

User currently offlineB752os From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8853 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
Is this the largest transatlantic gateway for just US airlines, or all airlines combined? Given the transatlantic presence at JFK with both DL and AA and all of the other international airlines combined, surely I would think New York would still be the largest US transatlantic gateway. Am I wrong?

Not to mention the large amount of O&D passengers that JFK has when compared to ATL.


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

This is the largest single carrier transatlantic operation at a single airport measured by ASMs.

Who would have thought that a city that had its first transatlantic service just 27 years ago would now be home to the nation's largest transatlantic gateway.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8608 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 5):

Who would have thought that a city that had its first transatlantic service just 27 years ago would now be home to the nation's largest transatlantic gateway.

It's not. It is home to the largest single trans-Atlantic gateway operation on the US from one airline.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8581 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 5):
This is the largest single carrier transatlantic operation at a single airport measured by ASMs.

Cool. So they join the ranks of:
Largest single carrier US-South American/Caribbean operation at a single airport: AA at MIA
Largest single carrier US-Transpacific operation at a single airport:
UA at SFO

If DL keeps developing JFK they might steal the honor away from themselves from ATL to JFK....


User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8480 times:

Not to mention that is the second largest airport in terms of destinations served (non-stop). Checked OAG and they were only beaten by FRA. A whopping 247 destinations during the high peaks of the year.

[Edited 2006-08-26 10:35:58]


Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8478 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 5):

Who would have thought that a city that had its first transatlantic service just 27 years ago would now be home to the nation's largest transatlantic gateway.


It's not. It is home to the largest single trans-Atlantic gateway operation on the US from one airline.

Thats why Worldtraveler refered to it in the statement prior to the one you chose as, "this is by a single carrier...in the nation's largest transatlantic gateway."

[Edited 2006-08-26 10:38:12]


Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8275 times:

Quoting 767-332ER (Reply 8):
Not to mention that is the second largest airport in terms of destinations served (non-stop). Checked OAG and they were only beaten by FRA. A whopping 247 destinations during the high peaks of the year.

It is also the 2nd largest international operation at a US airport by a single airline.

Jeremy


User currently offlineStyle From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8264 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter):
Based on a recent analysis of OAG data based on July 2006 schedules, DL's transatlantic hub at ATL is the largest gateway from the US across the Atlantic based on ASMs.

ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL

What seems to be your obsession? Is it all about DL being bigger than CO across the pond, or from JFK? Every discussion you post seems to always have a topic where you are trying to make DL as the "premiere" carrier compared to CO.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8232 times:

Quoting Style (Reply 11):

What seems to be your obsession? Is it all about DL being bigger than CO across the pond, or from JFK? Every discussion you post seems to always have a topic where you are trying to make DL as the "premiere" carrier compared to CO.

CO was never mentioned in the thread until you brought them up. Now it WILL turn into a competition.

Jeremy


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7550 times:

The post is a statement of fact with no comparisons made.

User currently offlineUnited319 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

why are we even worrying about whether DL and CO are bigger than eachother? They're under the same alliance, no need to get all upset over this.


It's Time To Fly
User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7319 times:

Quoting Style (Reply 11):
What seems to be your obsession? Is it all about DL being bigger than CO across the pond, or from JFK? Every discussion you post seems to always have a topic where you are trying to make DL as the "premiere" carrier compared to CO.

World Traveler is the biggest Delta Cheerleader on this board. He's never mentioned CO in this thread.


User currently offlineDeputydawghere From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Quoting Style (Reply 11):
Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter):
Based on a recent analysis of OAG data based on July 2006 schedules, DL's transatlantic hub at ATL is the largest gateway from the US across the Atlantic based on ASMs.

ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL ATL

What seems to be your obsession? Is it all about DL being bigger than CO across the pond, or from JFK? Every discussion you post seems to always have a topic where you are trying to make DL as the "premiere" carrier compared to CO.

Thank you.



N/A
User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6981 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 10):

It is also the 2nd largest international operation at a US airport by a single airline.
Jeremy

Wow, who beat DL at ATL?  confused 

Cheers from BDL,  wave 
DeltaGuy767



A Good Landing is one you walk away from!
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11116 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6785 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 17):
Wow, who beat DL at ATL? confused

My guess is American at Miami, but I could be wrong.


User currently offlineJamesjoyce From Belgium, joined May 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6750 times:

Quoting WorldTraveler (Thread starter):
Based on a recent analysis of OAG data based on July 2006 schedules, DL's transatlantic hub at ATL is the largest gateway from the US across the Atlantic based on ASMs.

Now if they only could match that honour with decent transatlantic service to their passengers as well, then it would be even better.

I've taken a number of roundtrips BRU-JFK and BRU-ATL the past months and their mealservice is about the worst I've even been given. Overcooked rice with a half-cooked half carrot and 2 strips of chicken is not a meal. Neither is completely dried-out penne-pasta with pesto-sauce resembling as if it had been prepared a day before and flown in on the same plane.

Besides, still showing "Narnia" as an in-flight movie is pretty ridiculous, even though I like it.

Also, the DL earphones must be about the worst of any airline.

Their price is the best however, which is what keeps me there.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2887 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6719 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 18):
My guess is American at Miami, but I could be wrong.

I would imagine AA in Miami is the largest single-US airline international operation at a single airport, given the number of destinations, frequencies and aircraft. DL in ATL is definitely number two, but the largest across the Atlantic.

Very interesting. This is probably another topic for another thread, but comparing DL in ATL (transatlantic), AA in MIA (Carib/Latin America) and UA in SFO (Transpacific) I wonder which international operation is the most profitable?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32173 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6655 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 20):
I would imagine AA in Miami is the largest single-US airline international operation at a single airport, given the number of destinations, frequencies and aircraft.

It is.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 20):

Very interesting. This is probably another topic for another thread, but comparing DL in ATL (transatlantic), AA in MIA (Carib/Latin America) and UA in SFO (Transpacific) I wonder which international operation is the most profitable?

I'd be willing to bet MIA, simply because there is so little compietition to Latin America.



a.
User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6520 times:

Quoting Style (Reply 11):
What seems to be your obsession? Is it all about DL being bigger than CO across the pond, or from JFK? Every discussion you post seems to always have a topic where you are trying to make DL as the "premiere" carrier compared to CO.



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):
CO was never mentioned in the thread until you brought them up. Now it WILL turn into a competition.

Exactly. Nothing was even mentioned of CO in the thread until Style brought it up. And just what if WorldTraveler does think DL is the premier carrier as compared to CO? Thats his opinion, just as you can have your opinion. There would be no right or wrong answer. I can't believe the number of people who want to argue DL and CO. I don't see the same number of people arguing NW and UA, or AA and US, or...

Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 19):
I've taken a number of roundtrips BRU-JFK and BRU-ATL the past months and their mealservice is about the worst I've even been given. Overcooked rice with a half-cooked half carrot and 2 strips of chicken is not a meal. Neither is completely dried-out penne-pasta with pesto-sauce resembling as if it had been prepared a day before and flown in on the same plane.

Well, when I take into account that airline food has to be prepared and then held until merely just reheated onboard the airplane, with limited resources, I really can't say I've had a bad inflight meal. Being that you fly often from BRU, your beef would be with the BRU catering services and kitchens, IMO.

Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 19):
Their price is the best however, which is what keeps me there.

But then again, your also staying for the lowest price? I've always been a firm believer in "you get what you pay for," so if the customer is wanting to settle for a lower price, they should not expect superior service and amenities. Now, if you are willing to pay the BusinessElite fare, you will get much more with your entree and much more amenities. It all comes with a price. Remember, you and your market drive the ticket prices, not Delta.



OttoPylit


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

Seriously why are we arguing who is better? We all know it is Delta so let's just calm down.  devil 


The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 645 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 20):
I would imagine AA in Miami is the largest single-US airline international operation at a single airport, given the number of destinations, frequencies and aircraft. DL in ATL is definitely number two, but the largest across the Atlantic.

Hey GSFO,
I'm curious as to what the numbers are as to you reaching that conclusion. Lately I've heard that ATL is by far the largest hub operation by a single airline. I am probably wrong, but I just want to know the actual numbers if they exist or if we are all just spewing conjecture.

Cheers from BDL,  wave 
DeltaGuy767



A Good Landing is one you walk away from!
25 Post contains links MAH4546 : ATL/DL is the largest hub operation by a single airline. MIA/AA is the largest international hub operation by a single airline in the US. It has been
26 BigGSFO : DeltaGuy, Mark beat me to it: No question, DL/ATL is the largest single airline hub. However comparing only international operation to international
27 Commavia : I ran an analysis of the two airlines' respective international hubs -- Delta at Atlanta and American at Miami. I ran an analysis of all of their inte
28 DeltaSFO : Out of curiosity, how did you account for ATL-TLV?
29 Post contains images DeltaGuy767 : Thanks guys for answering my questions. Perhaps when DL can secure more a/c we could see an increase in the # of seats at ATL if DL is committed to th
30 B4real : TLV and SVO should be Europe seats.
31 Commavia : I included it as part of Europe. Yes, yes, while I know that technically it is Asia, the route is operated far more like a European market than an As
32 Jetlanta : Seats don't tell the whole story here. While AA has more daily seats, Delta has significantly more ASMs at ATL than American has at MIA. This is a ref
33 Commavia : IMO, seats tell a much more important story, though. Indeed, Delta has about 2/3 more international ASMs from Atlanta that American has from Miami (3
34 Jetlanta : All that is great, but ASM's have a much more direct correlation with revenue. Its like saying Southwest is the world's 2nd largest airline because i
35 Jetlanta : Interestingly, not a carrier out there "really" cares about market share in terms of passengers. Revenue Share is far more important. The carrier sha
36 FlyPNS1 : Internationally, yes. As a whole, no. Despite all the international growth, DL's total traffic through ATL was down 6.6% for June 06 versus June 05.
37 Jetlanta : I was referring to international, of course. However, I do think that domestic traffic will turn upwards again over the next year as 757's from Song
38 WorldTraveler : Based on schedules data for Dec. 06, AA from MIA serves only one more market in the Caribbean/Latin/S. America regions than DL does from ATL. On a sys
39 777STL : Seems to be a pretty meaningless distinction to me when AA is much more diverse in terms of its routes. DL has what, 2-3 different gateways to Europe
40 Post contains images BigGSFO : Now if they could just figure out how to get a plane to Antarctica, they would be the first all seven continents.
41 SESGDL : Same nonesense that is continually spoken here. DL IS making a profit on its international routes so your point is void. DL currently has 3 Transatla
42 777STL : Am I hearing an echo here? Ok, we'll do this slow. Which airline do you think has more concentrated European operations: the airline with two large E
43 SESGDL : This topic is debatable. While you may think an airline with 1-2 destinations spread out at a few cities and 1 big hub with lots of cities is less co
44 Post contains images DL787932ER : You're claiming that AA is more diverse to Europe? Not sure how you get that. According to AA's route map, they only serve 11 European cities (and Ro
45 Commavia : It's reflective of two divergent market strategies. American has focused on being a strong competitor in fewer European markets, and reducing direct
46 WorldTraveler : First, you all miss my point. ATL for DL is more GLOBAL hub, not DL as a whole. No other hub has such strong positions to 2 regions of the world. Sec
47 MAH4546 : I don't see how that has not been clear. AA doesn't really have much interest in diversifying their European network, as Commavia's quote said above.
48 Post contains images DL787932ER : No disagreement there. AA obviously wants to focus its EU service on O&D to its primary markets, get more of the U.S. population nonstop to those top
49 WorldTraveler : Really? AA has attempted service to a number of cities outside on London and has met with an aweful lot of failure. If AA doesn't want to diversify i
50 Commavia : As MAH rightly said, it's a different strategy, not a wrong one. Yeah, Delta attempted a lot of connecting flights within Europe, but must have been
51 Travelin man : Because they don't need to. Their alliance partners are quite effective at that role. Do I hear an echo in here?
52 MAH4546 : Yes, because we all know Delta just never flies to any city in Europe without failing. Oslo, Vienna, Helsinki, Cairo (not Europe, but TA), Lyon, Stoc
53 FlyPNS1 : As others have said, AA's has a different strategy in terms of Europe. However, I would argue that a second reason for AA's lack of service to Contine
54 BigGSFO : Maybe, maybe not. AA has a finite amout of aircraft these days with no new planes to be delivered soon. If there were shiney new widebodies coming ev
55 Cubsrule : Have a look at O&D numbers. It won't be so silly then. I don't have them... MAH might. How many people in ATL really give a damn that they can get to
56 DeltaSFO : Really? I did not know that Cali, Santa Cruz, and Medellin were capitals of their respective countries. Moreover, are you of the opinion that Mexico
57 Cubsrule : I was talking about markets in which the carriers do not overlap. Confused still?
58 MAH4546 : Saturday-only Mexico destinations like Ixtapa boost the count, as do primarily Delta Connection-operated destinations. The count is one off, because
59 Post contains images DeltaSFO : Only as to what Dusty Baker will do in the future.
60 Jetlanta : Well put. I am constantly amazed how AA has been put on this pedestal of infallability. AA is not big to Europe, outside of LHR, because it doesn't h
61 MAH4546 : It is funny you criticize people for that, because it is the same pedestal people such as yourself put Delta on. In the end, they both have their own
62 Commavia : "Pedestal of infallability?" Are we reading the same thread? AA is not "small" to Europe outside London. They have five daily flights to Paris, doubl
63 Jetlanta : And where did I put Delta on a pedestal? Your last comment is exactly the point I was referring to. If AA had been stuck with Delta's pre-9/11 pilot
64 Jetlanta : Sorry, it was more in response to what I perceive as a general attitude that AA only makes good decisions because, after all, they never declared Cha
65 MAH4546 : Frankfurt is not a money losing station for AA, far from it. And I'd love to know why AA must fly ORD-FRA and DFW-FRA in order to be competitve for c
66 Jetlanta : My mistake, but my point was JFK-FRA was a big loser for them. I forgot that it is long-gone for just that reason. This is exactly the point I as try
67 MAH4546 : You mean outside of JFK-LHR/CDG/BRU/ZRH/FCO, all very succesful routes for them. Of course, nevermind that Delta has come and gone from dozens of JFK
68 Jetlanta : BNA, RDU, SJC, Reno Air, TWA...none of that was particularly conservative, you must admit.
69 MAH4546 : BNA, RDU, and SJC were started during the hub-spoke explosion of the 1980s. I disagree that Reno Air and TWA purchases were not conservative. For all
70 Jetlanta : Outside of LHR, which is capacity controlled, AA flies year-round in three JFK-Europe markets. That isn't a network...those are niche markets for AA.
71 Jetlanta : Every one of these markets came from Pan Am, and VIA, PRG and LEN operated over FRA. Pretty hard to blame Delta for poor market selection in each of
72 MAH4546 : Cairo-Dubai, Tel Aviv, Shannon, Dublin, Manchester, Brussels, Stockholm, Hannover, Stuttgart, Lyon, Zurich, Lisbon, Helsinki, and Munich from the top
73 Jetlanta : Now come on...CAI, DXB and TLV were only a few months old when 9/11 occured. It was completely reasonable for Delta to cancel them at that point in t
74 Jetlanta : I'm not trying to manipualte anything. Let me ask you an honest question though, without the LHR authority...does AA do as well in the other European
75 MAH4546 : You are way over-estimating the importance and number of these "contracts". They are not significant. I disagree with your assesment that AA relies o
76 Commavia : Well, I think there are worse conclusions to draw -- not necessarily that AA doesn't make any bad decisions, but I certainly think it is fair to say
77 DAL767400ER : IIRC, it was in response to DL launching JFK/LGA-MIA. Of course, DL has since retaliated with LGA-ORD, which like AA's LGA-ATL is doing better than e
78 Panamair : Actually, DL's NYC-MIA service started later than AA's LGA-ATL. I believe AA started LGA-BOS and LGA-ATL even before DL's Ch.11 filing. DL's LGA-MIA
79 WorldTraveler : Hasn’t this turned out to be a fun thread! AA served all of the top 10 destinations from LGA before DL did. AA’s LGA-DCA and LGA-BOS Eagle product
80 Commavia : I don't have the time nor energy to respond to your post. But this point I felt needed some rebuttal. Delta is hardly "eating into some key AA market
81 Post contains images BigGSFO : My point was that if AA currently had new widebodies arriving from Boeing, we'd probably see a different international strategy in place right now. M
82 Travelin man : Totally agree. But if it's not DL vs. AA, it's DL vs. CO. Perhaps you are getting that feeling because of quotes like this: His questions about other
83 Post contains images SESGDL : I've also found that you live in your own little AA/MIA fantasy land as well. It's always strange that 90% of your posts have something to do with AA
84 WorldTraveler : Maybe it’s because there are no more arguments that you can make to show that DL is becoming a very viable international airline, something they we
85 Commavia : This is why this will be my last post in response to any of yours in this thread. Nobody ever said that Delta hadn't done a good job of building up A
86 MAH4546 : WorldTraveller, I really don't get what your problem is. Nobody has ever denied Delta's continuing growth and strength in Latin America. They will con
87 WorldTraveler : Actually, about half of AA’s revenue through MIA is connecting. Aside from MCO which is a huge destination and TPA, most of the destinations which
88 FlyPNS1 : So are you saying that DL cannot sustain itself since it has chosen not to grow in the domestic market (in fact shrink), even though the domestic mar
89 Post contains images Jacobin777 : .....actually IIRC,AA's ORD-NGO was in the black, even after losing the Toyota contract...but true to AA's strategy, they decided it was better to us
90 DAL767400ER : *damn "Reference post deleted" BS* Anyway, to write again what I had written several hours ago: In general, I gotta say this whole discussion really c
91 MasseyBrown : Don't rely too much on the July profit report. The operating numbers are nice - very nice, even; but the net profit number is pretty much an artifact
92 Commavia : That is certainly true. Up until this summer, AA was larger than Delta to Europe in terms of seats, ASMs and RPMs.
93 MAH4546 : There you again with marketshare. Nobody is arguging that other airlines are eating into marketshare. Though that doesn't change the fact that the ov
94 DeltaSFO : I wouldn't open that can of worms if I were you. What a lovely a.net food fight this turned out to be. I really got my five dollars' worth this month
95 WorldTraveler : Let’s use a few real numbers to put this discussion in context. AA and DL have been neck and neck over the Atlantic for most of the 15 years since D
96 Post contains images EA CO AS : Well while we're grasping at and skewing info to advance whatever agenda we want... AS IS THE BIGGEST 737-200C and -400 OPERATOR IN THE WORLD!!!
97 Cubsrule : What markets did you have in mind from LAX, JFK, or MCO?
98 Post contains images Jacobin777 : well...hey, its the truth........ you sure? (see below) This kind of strategy certainly sounds good to me......if there is a large enough of a market
99 MasseyBrown : You are wrong. Some or all of the unsecured claims may be converted to equity; but the secured claims will become new debt, billions of it.
100 WorldTraveler : This isn't a discussion about the total size of the company or the size of the bank account. It's about the size of DL's ATL operation, specifically i
101 MasseyBrown : Which is exactly what I said: But not at all what you said:
102 WorldTraveler : you're right.... I was not accurate since there are many bankruptcy claims. thanks for the correction
103 Jacobin777 : while there is a general "bluebrint" for bankruptcy proceedings....every bankruptcy is unique.....UA's and DL's bankruptcies might have very differen
104 WorldTraveler : agree but the basic plan of restructuring is the same because it is set by US bankruptcy law.
105 HunUtazo : The fragmentation of dal will be compelled, based on what happens early next year, the consolidation of the rest of the industry, delta is not viable
106 Baron95 : Or they need to land at the right airport in London for connection (LHR). Landing at LGW really depresses connection and alliance opportunities.
107 DeltaSFO : Neither are your half baked theories which involve LUV and LCC splitting up the world's third largest airline. DAL's survival is not yet assured, and
108 HunUtazo : Because the 'Landscape' will be so greatly changed after the initial phase of consolidation, i.e., cal/ual/ual/cal which begets amr/nwac, which beget
109 WorldTraveler : Considering DL reported an operating profit margin for the 2nd quarter above UA and CO and right on par with AA, perhaps it is UA and CO that you shou
110 MAH4546 : The third frequency is summer-only and operated with a 757. The second frequency is also a 757. Not that huge an accomplishment.
111 Post contains images DL787932ER : The space aliens who send you brain waves through your TV? For DL, this isn't that relevant a factor. DL has no alliance partners who hub at either L
112 HunUtazo : ......ha ha ha Ha Ha HA HA! You can see, yet, you are blind....ha ha ha ha. My motives, are strictly altruistic....ha ha ha ha... Good luck to you my
113 WorldTraveler : I have reviewed the data and DL, NW, and CO at LGW do as good as if not better than UA at its hubs except for IAD which does command a premium - but
114 DeltaSFO : If you are making investments based on your theory, then it is I who would wish you the best of luck, my friend.
115 HunUtazo : .....ha ha ha.......ok......ok. and a bag of chips.... Wait Watch Learn....
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