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Kenya Airways To Serve Benin, Congo  
User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Kenya Airways will start flying to Brazaville in Congo and Cotonou in Benin as of October. Schedule posted at http://www.africanflyer.com

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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17365 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

Any particular reason that Luanda is noticeably absent from the network? I'd think that LAD would be added before COO.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3572 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
Any particular reason that Luanda is noticeably absent from the network? I'd think that LAD would be added before COO.

Probably a question of obtaining rights to fly there. The Angolan government is notoriously protective and stingy when it comes to giving out rights. LAD is very high yielding, and, as you say, there is no particular reason why KQ should not serve it.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3542 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
LAD is very high yielding, and, as you say, there is no particular reason why KQ should not serve it.

Agree. AF has tried for many times to increase flights to LAD unsuccessfully.

Interesting about COO. COO airport also captures some traffic for neighbouring Togo and Nortwest/North Nigeria. I thought nearby Lome would be a market more interesting to be served as it could also capture some ACC traffic. AF at least is peforming better in Lome rather than COO.

Rgs,


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
I thought nearby Lome would be a market more interesting to be served as it could also capture some ACC traffic.

Conversely, ACC (which KQ already serves 4x weekly) can just as easily serve the much smaller Lome market.


User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17365 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 2):
The Angolan government is notoriously protective and stingy when it comes to giving out rights

That's what I figured but is there a political reason why ET flies there but KQ does not?



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

Some dacates ago both countries Ethiopia and Angola were considered part of the communism world. Maybe from that time ET still has traffic rights?

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3378 times:

I notice that the schedule is only 2x/week with B737-300s? This is hardly a strong link being developed. It seems odd that KQ introduces so many flights just 2x/week - IST, MPM and now BZV & COO?

Which markets are KQ targeting with 2 frequencies? Perhaps DXB or Asia?

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
AF at least is peforming better in Lome rather than COO.

Is this true?


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3362 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
AF at least is peforming better in Lome rather than COO.

What equipment do they use into Lomé?



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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

Quoting JoFMO (Reply 6):
Some dacates ago both countries Ethiopia and Angola were considered part of the communism world. Maybe from that time ET still has traffic rights?

Interesting possibility. It is also interesting that ET managed to get an increase in frequency out of Angola over the last couple of weeks, now operating twice per week, nonstop.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 7):
I notice that the schedule is only 2x/week with B737-300s? This is hardly a strong link being developed. It seems odd that KQ introduces so many flights just 2x/week - IST, MPM and now BZV & COO?

Odd indeed. Also, KQ seems to be expanding throughout Africa using 737s as far away as Dakar. Anyone flown these long routes on the 73s? Is it economical to serve such long legs on such aircraft?


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Quoting ETStar (Reply 9):
Anyone flown these long routes on the 73s? Is it economical to serve such long legs on such aircraft?

The passenger traffic on most of these routes is marginal to put it mildly. A big chunk of it consists of traders using the connections to/from Dubai, China, Thailand and India. The biggest drawback of the 737 is the cargo capacity (or lack thereof) but very few of the markets can justify an upguage to the 767. Most of these markets have directional traffic of no more than 100-200 pax per week, which is why you see them opened up as combined stations with 2x frequencies until they are established and able to sustain themselves.


User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2150 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 10):
The passenger traffic on most of these routes is marginal to put it mildly. A big chunk of it consists of traders using the connections to/from Dubai, China, Thailand and India. The biggest drawback of the 737 is the cargo capacity (or lack thereof) but very few of the markets can justify an upguage to the 767. Most of these markets have directional traffic of no more than 100-200 pax per week, which is why you see them opened up as combined stations with 2x frequencies until they are established and able to sustain themselves.

How can KQ possibly compete with ET for service between West Africa and Asia when ET has far more frequencies with bigger aircraft? Or is KQ concentrating on local NBO traffic + connections to Southern Africa where demand for cargo space isn't as high?

Quoting ETStar (Reply 9):
It is also interesting that ET managed to get an increase in frequency out of Angola over the last couple of weeks, now operating twice per week, nonstop

If I'm not mistaken, ET has had 2 frequencies for almost a year.


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3282 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 11):
How can KQ possibly compete with ET for service between West Africa and Asia when ET has far more frequencies with bigger aircraft?

KQ's strategy has hence been to go into markets where ET's presence is either marginal or non-existant. That is why you see destinations like Freetown, Cotonou, Brazzaville, etc... where ET either does not fly or has not yet become dominant. Local Nairobi traffic accounts for only a minor proportion of KQ's traffic on these routes. KQ also tries to position itself as a premium brand. For understandable reasons, ET has developed the reputation of being a "traders airline" in West Africa - so more "sophisticated" passengers prefer using KQ.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4498 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 12):
KQ's strategy has hence been to go into markets where ET's presence is either marginal or non-existant. That is why you see destinations like Freetown, Cotonou, Brazzaville, etc...

What is the position of Emirates in regard to the West and Central African market? EK is currently operating daily terminator flights into LOS and five weekly rotations to Accra and Abidjan. What do their short and medium term expansion plans call for? According to their Nigeria manager - an ex Sabena guy - I spoke to, they were looking at serving more destinations in West and Central Africa, and were studying at the likes of Kinshasa (FIH), Libreville (LBV) and Dakar (DKR) as well as possible additional destinations in Nigeria, pending government approval.


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