PWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 1 Posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7899 times:
I'm usually pretty good figuring things out, but this one has me stumped. Right now on Flightaware at 02:25 EST, I'm tracking a flight with the with the radar ID TKS30. It's showing it as a DC-10 operated by "Canadian Interagency Forest Fire Centre, Tanker (Canada) ". It departed out of McGuire AFB, flew north and has been flying in a holding pattern off the coast of Southern Maine for close to an hour now. Flight plan shows it returning to McGuire in an hour.... What is this flight?!? A Forest Fire Tanker?!?
What makes this flight even more bizarre is that President Bush is visiting Kennebunkport, Maine this weekend and this flight has been circling just a few miles south of the Bush family residence on Walker's Point. That airspace is restricted when the President is at the residence.
Can anybody tell me what the heck this flight is? And why would a civilian water-bomber be flying out of McGuire AFB and circling in the immediate vicinity of the Bush Family compound in Maine tonight? Perhaps this should be in Military? However, it's listing a civialian aircraft? What kind of operation is this? Help!
Registered: Canadian Interagency Forest Fire Centre "Tanker" (Canada)
Aircraft t McDonnell Douglas DC-10 (tri-jet) (H/DC10/Q)
Origin t Mc Guire AFB (KWRI)
Destination t Mc Guire AFB (KWRI)
Route t PTPL4 MANTA V139 HTO J55 BOS ENE131051
D3+35 ENE131051 BOS J55 MANTA CYN
Date t Saturday, Aug 26, 2006
Duration t 2 hours 31 minutes
Tys777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7861 times:
if you look back at flight aware, it was already supposed to have been back but is now only halfway through its flight, so no matter what is going on, someone decided to double the length of this flight.
It also doesnt appear to be above the bush residence, just off the coast, I doubt that really makes much of a difference though
PWM2TXLHopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7844 times:
Quoting Tys777 (Reply 3): also doesnt appear to be above the bush residence, just off the coast, I doubt that really makes much of a difference though
The Bush residence is located on the cove that is directly under the northeast corner of where this flight is circling. On a side note, there have been jets orbiting Southern Maine 24hrs a day since the President arrived yesterday morning. They aren't showing up on the flight trackers, but I'm watching these jets flying over my house every ten minutes in a clockwise direction at high altitude, FL250+. Since they aren't showing up on the flight trackers, they can only be military aircraft. I'm presuming some sort of fighter aircraft patrolling the airspace within a 50 or 100 mile radius of the Bush residence. I didn't know that the airspace was patrolled above the family compound when Bush is in town, but what else could this be? And why are they using a fire-bomber?!?
I had thought of that, however military flights are not displayed on commercial flight trackers such as Flightaware.com. It makes sense that it would be a re-fueling tanker if there are fighters patrolling the airspace around the Bush residence, but why would a military aircraft be displayed on a civil flight tracker? And how would that be connected to
"Canadian Interagency Forest Fire Centre"
Elcableguy77 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 523 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7671 times:
I have occasionally seen military flights tracked on FlightAware, though it is a rarity. Every once in a while, I'll see an F/A-18 headed to or from Oceana NAS show up there.
It's very possible that a USAF KC-10 from McGuire could be using the same callsign as the tankers from Canada do, that way ATC knows what sort of aircraft is flying around out there so as to account for wake turbulence and things like that.
Former ZW F/A | "Wisconsin 72A, contact departure, see ya."
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4422 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7649 times:
I'd buy into the aerial refueling angle. Seems plausible, because KC-10s are based down at McGuire. This wouldn't be the first time that FlightAware mis-identified a flight. But the type of plane and the kind of circular,repeating route leads one to believe that it's a refueling tanker. The Canadian thing is a mistake, IMO.
My folks live on Goose Rocks Beach, which is (as the crow flies) about 60 seconds by air north of Walker's Point. Stories abound. My mom and dad live on a private end of a nice beach up there, and one afternoon my mom saw a car pull up and stop in front of their house. Two guys got out and they were getting ready to walk onto the beach. My mom and dad are always on the watch for people and cars that 'shouldn't be there,' so my mom went over to the men and said, in a kind voice, 'I'm sorry...this is a private road. You can't park here,'
One of the men, without missing a beat, unbuttoned his coat and flashed a SS badge. 'Oh, I think we can,' he replied. 'PotUS' was fishing for Blues in front of the house and these two were with binoculars to keep an eye out for him.
Yesterday and (thus far) today it's overcast down here in southern NH. I suspect that if it is up there as well, any neat orbiting planes can only be heard, not seen. I'll check with my dad, though. I already sent him the link to this thread.
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7546 times:
Taken from the CIFFC website:
Quote: The national air tanker fleet consists of 13 Canadair CL-215s which are operated by the provinces on behalf of the country as a whole. These aircraft are among the the 29 CL-215s purchased by six provinces and the federal government under a Cooperative Supply Agreement signed in the mid-1980s. Now over fifty CL-215/415 aircraft along with numerous land-based air tankers operate in Canada. The CL215/415 is the number one resource request and has contributed to the overall fire suppression capability in initial attack and ground support.
Woosie From United States of America, joined May 2006, 115 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 5 days ago) and read 5999 times:
Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Thread starter): It's showing it as a DC-10 operated by "Canadian Interagency Forest Fire Centre, Tanker (Canada) ". It departed out of McGuire AFB, flew north and has been flying in a holding pattern off the coast of Southern Maine for close to an hour now. Flight plan shows it returning to McGuire in an hour.... What is this flight?!? A Forest Fire Tanker?!?
Yup, it's a fire retardant/water drop airplane.
How do I know? I sit & work near the guy who helped write the Maintenance Planning Documents for that airplane.
BlueFlyer From Tuvalu, joined Jan 2006, 4942 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5655 times:
The Canadian registration is either a flightaware snafu, or the US military using a foreign civilian call sign to disguise itself, both of which have happened, although most uses of a "decoy" call signs seem to have occured on CIA rendition flights to/from foreign countries.
When we unleash the dogs of war we must go where they take us
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4422 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5256 times:
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 21): Maybe they are secretly planning to dump water on Bush, to prove once and for all he is washed up.
News item: "In the same way that the Wicked Witch of the West was 'melted' by Dorothy, a Canadian DC-10 water tanker sent Cindy Sheehan to the Land of Oz with one well-placed water dump. Another wicked witch bites the dust. This is PMSNBC reporting."