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British Airways "Humiliates" Australian Man  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14580 times:

Abdiwahaab Mohamed - an engineer with CEA Technologies at Fyshwick - says he was told by British Airways staff he could not board his flight from Dubai to London because his route "was suspicious".

"I think they suspected me of being a terrorist. Maybe it was my last name, Mohamed." "I never had any troubles when I was boarding from London. But going back there, then you become suspicious. "[British Airways staff] asked me why I needed to go to Dubai to shop when there were shops in London? But it is my right to go wherever I want ... I understand aeroplanes need to ensure the safety of their passengers, but you have to draw a line somewhere."

More at The Canberra Times




Abdiwahaab Mohamed chose to fly Singapore Airlines Limited the next day.


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User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14433 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Thread starter):
Abdiwahaab Mohamed chose to fly Singapore Airlines Limited the next day

But Singapore Airlines does not fly DXB-LHR??? Sounds pretty suspicious to me  Wink


User currently offlineEK773 From Malta, joined Jul 2004, 237 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14226 times:

Sorry for pointing out the obvious but every other passenger passing through DXB could have Mohamed as part of his name so i doubt that could be the reason why.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 14155 times:

It's unclear but I'm guessing he was flying DXB - LHR - Australia.


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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 2 days ago) and read 13934 times:

More details required on this incident before ANYONE on this forum can draw conclusions.... smile 

User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13899 times:

That doesnt make sense, and is not even economical! Surely, DXB-SIN-AUST or HKG or KUL or CGK, one doesnt fly FCO-GVA-MLA or CWL-GLA-SOU?

User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13878 times:

I thought it was about rugby.

User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13431 times:

He was there for the Sevens you mean? Not this time of year? I have a vague memory of a schooltrip there for the sevens and I could swear it was October/November.

User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13085 times:

Quoting Gr8Circle (Reply 4):
More details required on this incident before ANYONE on this forum can draw conclusions....

Quite right!

Interesting is that the 'news' has taken nearly a month to surface!

From memory, all the check-in desks in DXB are manned by a handling agent . . .

Sounds like more media hype reported by the aptly named OP.



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User currently offline474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12994 times:

Quoting Aussiestu (Reply 1):
But Singapore Airlines does not fly DXB-LHR??? Sounds pretty suspicious to me

The entire story make no sense: The Canberra Times article states Mr. Mohamed was denied boarding in Dubai for a flight to London. He stated that he had no trouble boarding in London? Singapore Airlines "arranged" for flight to Australia the next day?

I think BA was with right to deny boarding to someone who wants to fly to London one day and the very next day accepts a flight to Australia. Why was he trying to go back to London, if Australia was in fact his destination? There is a lot more to this story than the newspaper is reporting.


User currently offlineELAL 744 From Israel, joined Jun 2000, 170 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12909 times:
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Here is what happened – in my opinion .

The passenger was singled out because of a number of factors: age, sex, traveling alone and suspicious routing.

While being questioned, he got upset or took offence to the line of questioning. It is possible that as an Australian he thought he was above suspicion. (Before you tear my head off about the last line, let me tell you that I have seen this happen with people from many countries while going through security at Ben Gurion Airport in Israel). Then he lost his cool, made a scene, perhaps said some regrettable words, and perhaps stormed off, so BA kicked him off the flight.

Had he kept a cool head and been polite, gracious and understanding, none of this would have happened.

Even though I am carry both US and Israeli passports, travel extensively and am hardly match the profile of a terrorist, I have been questioned, often at length, during pre-flight security. There is nothing to be done in these days other than to think positive and keep calm, even when the spotlight of security is trained on you.

Again, this my opinion only



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 12625 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 9):
I think BA was with right to deny boarding to someone who wants to fly to London one day and the very next day accepts a flight to Australia.

 Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

The most common routing for extra miles on xONEx RTWs (Oneworld Explorer) happens to be LHR-DXB-LHR-SYD/MEL-back to Asia. LHR-DXB-LHR perhaps a sameplane return.

Rules allow one Europe-Middle East as European sectors and two entries to Asia, one being a single plane service to Australia without a stop in BKK/SIN.

I'm not saying he was on a RTW, but your argument is moronic at best.



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User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12161 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 11):

I thought, for miles, it was the AUH-MCT or BAH-DOH infamous runs!!! I've done quite a number of DONE's but never gone that-a-way.

Each to their own I suppose!


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21875 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11927 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 3):
It's unclear but I'm guessing he was flying DXB - LHR - Australia.

Now that is some serious FF miles!  biggrin 

-Mir



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11765 times:

Quoting MRURUN (Reply 12):
I thought, for miles, it was the AUH-MCT or BAH-DOH infamous runs!!! I've done quite a number of DONE's but never gone that-a-way.

Yeah, AUH works for a few more miles. But the DXB schedules are more convenient.

Also, HKG-KHI is allowed as intra-asia sector... 

Also, DFW-ANC-DFW-SJO-LAX-SJU-DFW-FRA gives some serious mileage for the North America part if you don't care about destinations. Not sure how many overnights that requires.

[Edited 2006-08-27 18:04:43]


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User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11726 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 14):

Hmm, mental note to self!!


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11667 times:

Quoting MRURUN (Reply 15):
Hmm, mental note to self!!

I don't think I'd go through the hassle for a Pakistani visa for miles, so as far as I'm concerned Asia part seems to be limited to HKG-CMB/CGK/DPS/CTS for me.



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10275 times:

Quoting ELAL 744 (Reply 10):

Had he kept a cool head and been polite, gracious and understanding, none of this would have happened.

That is a complete guess.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 10064 times:

I am 100% behind the idea of profiling. But this is stupid.

If the subject acts suspiciously, or has a suspicious route, or his name is Ali or Muhammed, you can seach his belongings and otherwise examine him carefully. If nothing shows up, you send him on his way. You cannot deny a person passage just because he fits a profile. A profile is only an indication that a person deserves closer scrutiny.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21588 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9882 times:

Maybe the BA agent just couldn't understand why someone (an engineer, especially) would go through the expense of flying to DXB just to go shopping when he's going to Australia the next freaking day, and not just going to DXB as an intermediate point.

I personally don't understand it.

Not saying I'd deny him the flight since he's doing nothing wrong, but I just don't understand that mentality at all.

But only because I hate shopping!  Smile

I mean, if he said he was taking the flight just because he loves flying and wanted to see Dubai, that's an explanation I can wrap my heart around. But shopping? Blech!



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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9882 times:

I think the point is that this story never happened, as so many details are impossible. It is similar to the one Soups made up about british passengers refusing to fly with a pilot with an arabic sounding name that he said was being reported by CNN. It turned out it never happened and was just some flame-bait...kinda like this one...

User currently offlineMRURUN From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9801 times:

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 20):

Ooooh, missed that one on CNN!!


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3337 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8273 times:

Quoting ELAL 744 (Reply 10):
Had he kept a cool head and been polite, gracious and understanding, none of this would have happened.

Kind of hard to be gracious and understanding if you're the subject of an interrogation by an airline whom you have paid to fly with.

MH



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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8068 times:

With BA rtw fares, you cant go back on yourself.

So he would not of been allowed to go to LHR and then back the same way


User currently offlineGoodbye From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 913 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

Quoting 474218 (Reply 9):
I think BA was with right to deny boarding to someone who wants to fly to London one day and the very next day accepts a flight to Australia. Why was he trying to go back to London, if Australia was in fact his destination?

What a ridiculous comment. How do you know why he wanted to go back to London?

So if I was staying in London, wanted to go to Dubai for some shopping/to see family/business before I left, then fly back to London to get my flight home, I should be denied boarding?

Get a clue man.


25 Fbgdavidson : Since DXB is counted as Europe for the purpose of RTWs he can fly LHR-DXB-LHR-SIN-SYD if he chooses. He wouldn't be able to fly LHR-SIN-LHR because h
26 Boysteve : When I was a teenager my Dad worked in Abu Dhabi. He got leave 4 times a year and we would plan our annual family holiday around it. My Dad's work or
27 Singapore_Air : If some people bothered to open the full article: "Mr Mohamed said he had stopped over in Dubai on his way to see his sister in London.
28 Afay1 : There still isn't much of any evidence that this event even happened. I mean the guy is even quoted mixing-up physical, mechancial airplanes with an a
29 LO231 : I don't think you can back-track with RTW though... Regards, LO231
30 Carduelis : As usual with so many of these postings, all sorts of totally irrelevant red herrings are thrown into the discussion, and the subject matter gets los
31 Qantas787 : You cannot do any legs to ANC on Oneworld RTW tickets.
32 IFEMaster : When will people get it in to their heads that nobody has a 'RIGHT' to go to other countries. As some of you have said, this guy is telling his side
33 Post contains links Fbgdavidson : From this thread penned by OWE experts... From http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=338667 'Q: Are there any other restrictions that I have
34 Qantas787 : I am not sure where they came up with this one. On the flyertalk site it already states that you can't go on other airline codeshares, so therefore i
35 Captaink : I dunno, but that is the mans freaking business. I too am up for profiling but with limits. The guy has a suspicious name and routing, well he needs
36 Nickofatlanta : Qantas 787 - You can go to ANC on a oneworld explorer, but only seasonally ie only during the northern hemisphere summer when AA flies there with thei
37 Post contains links Lufthansa747 : Yes you can. For example BKK-HKG-KHI-HKG-NRT-DFW-ANC-DFW-SJO-LAX-SJU-DFW-FRA-LHR-DXB-LHR-SYD-AYQ-PER-SYD-BKK is a perfectly valid routing. Backtracki
38 Post contains images Lufthansa747 : The above itinerary earns 143K (DONE4) and 158K (AONE4) award miles in AAdvantage FWIW.
39 AY104 : I don't know why the finger is pointed at BA so often. There are so many major International carriers, and I am sure that at least one similar inciden
40 Qantas787 : Thanks Nickofatlanta. Isn't it interesting how this thread got off topic.
41 Ken777 : I've done TUL-LAX via AUA in order to catch a QF flight to SYD. The whole point of a RTW is to be able to see places you would not normally go to.
42 ELAL 744 : Take a deep breath and try. Getting flustered, upset or abusive does not help in these situations. The security person or airline official may be hav
43 Singapore_Air : It's only a shame you can never get such people sacked.
44 Trekster : Singapore_air. You going to change the title seeing as though it was not a BA member of staff, but a handling agent that was advising the passenger th
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