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This Is The New Fleet For Avianca!  
User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20671 times:

Talking with my good friend Who is a Pilot in Avianca Colombia today he told me that AV just decided the following big deal in favour of Boeing:
They will buy 30 737-800 to replace MD´s and 757´s
The good news is that they also will buy 10 787´s to replace the 767´s in 2010, turning Avianca the first airline in Latin America to have the 787.
The deal includes a number of 767´s to be used while they start to receive the 787´s.
With this movement we will see the arriving of the 767´s to cover the routes to Frankfurt, Rome and Paris (Mr. Efromovich´s desperate to start it), also the total disappearing of the 757´s and the MD 83 from the AV´s fleet.
Now, my addition to this is that the fleet will be:
30 737-800
10 787
10 Fokker 100 (or more?)
10 Fokker 50 (or less?)


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 20641 times:

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
they also will buy 10 787´s to replace the 767´s in 2010, turning Avianca the first airline in Latin America to have the 787.

Great for Colombia and for AV! But isn't AM going to be the first 787 operator in Latin America? ILFC will lease 3 788's to AM (there's an option for 2 more) and this is already official.

So, after 2010, will BOG-MEX be served with 787's? Will AV's 787's be -800's too?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 20604 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
But isn't AM going to be the first 787 operator in Latin America? ILFC will lease 3 788's to AM (there's an option for 2 more) and this is already official.

Hey Eddie...you may be right !



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5922 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 20592 times:

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
Talking with my good friend Who is a Pilot in Avianca Colombia today he told me that AV just decided the following big deal in favour of Boeing:
They will buy 30 737-800 to replace MD´s and 757´s
The good news is that they also will buy 10 787´s to replace the 767´s in 2010, turning Avianca the first airline in Latin America to have the 787.
The deal includes a number of 767´s to be used while they start to receive the 787´s.
With this movement we will see the arriving of the 767´s to cover the routes to Frankfurt, Rome and Paris (Mr. Efromovich´s desperate to start it), also the total disappearing of the 757´s and the MD 83 from the AV´s fleet.
Now, my addition to this is that the fleet will be:
30 737-800
10 787
10 Fokker 100 (or more?)
10 Fokker 50 (or less?)

very intresting, and hopefully true! anyway I think we have to wait the official press-release.

Great if they would start very soon flights to Frankfurt again!



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User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 20554 times:

Very good news, if they are true.

Specially for those 737/8.

Good airplane, and it cost a lot less to operate one of those vs a 757.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 20466 times:

Nice news, but I'm starting to see a problem here.

Avianca currently depends on the 757s for routes which cannot support 767-service, but cannot be operated with MD-83s due to BOG's altitude conditions.

Would the 738 serve as a good replacement for the 757 on those tasks? Wouldn't the 73G be more appropriate?

Let's see what the company has to say.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 20452 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
But isn't AM going to be the first 787 operator in Latin America?

Then....why don't we say?: FIRST IN SOUTH AMERICA...!
Does that work?



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User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 20435 times:

I think this is great news, IF they are true.... Many times pilots are not the most acurate when it comes to fleet rumors.... we've seen many of those "a friend of mine who is a pilot" discussions here in a.net about new orders and well... sometimes they are right, but sometimes they are way off.... so until something more credible comes to light, I won't take it too seriously... Hopefully this one will be true... we'll see though in the future....


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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20384 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 5):

Would the 738 serve as a good replacement for the 757 on those tasks? Wouldn't the 73G be more appropriate?

Perhaps there will be a 737 order, but with options for the different variants?? A 738 would be a good pickup for AV IMO, as it has more seating capacity than the 73G. The 73G would be good for long, thinner routes. Maybe toss in some 739s or 739Xs for routes to CCS or UIO.
Regardless, its great to see AV turning things around. I think the new post-Summa colors are great, and seeing a 787 flying for AV would be awesome.

-Copa


User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 818 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20338 times:

My sources say: #1 says the official announcement will be made on the 17th of September. Why on a Sunday? Maybe to get a good coverage on written media. #2 says for sure it will be Boeing believe me. I can´t say I believe anybody anymore. #3 which is my very good source, says that if he tells me, he has to kill me, but I will like the announcement. What ever that means. I am just sick of so much rumour, I just hope the waiting will pay off.

User currently offlineFlyinfroggie From United States of America, joined May 2004, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20310 times:

Not necessarily "official" news, but as I was sitting here in Avianca´s VIP Lounge in Bogotá, I was staring at the series of computers on the back counter ' and an image grabbed my attention... it was a 787 in Avianca colors. That prompted me to log onto here and see if anything had been posted. I think that it´s great news ' if it´s true...

Avianca... Líderes 2010


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 20060 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 5):
Avianca currently depends on the 757s for routes which cannot support 767-service, but cannot be operated with MD-83s due to BOG's altitude conditions.

Hi Southa...
Well I think those routes can be well covered with 737-800´s, don´t you?



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User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 19962 times:

Quoting Bongo (Reply 11):
Well I think those routes can be well covered with 737-800's, don't you?

The 738s don't have the legs to make it from BOG to EZE/GRU/SCL nonstop.


S.


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 19825 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 12):
The 738s don't have the legs to make it from BOG to EZE/GRU/SCL nonstop.

Well...That´s why they will buy 10 787´s and while they are flying...some sort of deal to have 767´s until 2010.



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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 19743 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 12):
The 738s don't have the legs to make it from BOG to EZE/GRU/SCL nonstop.

I am, of course, aware BOG is a high-altitude airport, however CM flies their 73G nonstop from their PTY hub to EZE, MVD and GRU [and soon, GIG].

The 73G has a 3,260nm/6,037km range for the HGW, while the 738 has a 2,940nm/5,445km range for the HGW, quite a range advantage for the 73G. As mentioned, this does NOT take into account performance restrictions associated with BOG's altitude.

According to great circle mapper:

BOG-EZE is 2,902mi
BOG-SCL is 2,629mi
BOG-GRU is 2,688mi
BOG-GIG is 2,817mi

Looks like the 737-900ER might be better-suited for AV's long-haul regional flights.


User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days ago) and read 19743 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 12):
The 738s don't have the legs to make it from BOG to EZE/GRU/SCL nonstop.

?

737-800
Maximum Range 3,060 nautical miles (5665 km)



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19677 times:

Quoting Bogota (Reply 9):
#2 says for sure it will be Boeing believe me

Last week I had a conversation from their financial dept, and he told me they were 60-40 for Boeing, not because Airbus didn't offered goog stuff, just because they don't forget the A320 with VX (His words, not mine), so it doesn't surprise me at all, if True.

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
also the total disappearing of the 757´s and the MD 83 from the AV´s fleet

This won't be a problem for Efromovich, he'll find companies aroud to place them.......OceainAir, VIP, Wayra, where he has contacts to strike a good deal for that metal  wink 

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
we will see the arriving of the 767´s to cover the routes to Frankfurt, Rome and Paris

Any word on LON? Might be more profitable than Rome (of course I'm just speculating here).

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
we will see the arriving of the 767´s

How exactly can this work for Boeing?? They'll find some in the market and lease them to AV?? I just don't know, plain ignorance on my side.

I guess this is a rumour (until an official word comes out) but it seems the right way, and most logical one, to go by AV. This people is working hard to put this company where it belongs, and this is the right step to achive that goal. I'm confident in a few years AV will recover its position as one of the great carriers in this side of the world and will put a fight with the big ones like AM and LA.

Cheers

JAAH



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19677 times:

The 737/8 will have restrictions going out of BOG, and other cities.


Even the 737/8 from AA are certified for BOG altitude, they haven´t been able to flight them there. There have been rumors of an afternoon flight out of BOG using these equipment but never materialized.

MDE will get this sept a 737/8 to MIA, on AA.

And BOG will get again a 767/3 for Holiday seasson.


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19669 times:

Quoting Bongo (Thread starter):
They will buy 30 737-800 to replace MD´s and 757´s

isn't the 737-900 a better replacement for the 757 capacitywise?



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8284 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19633 times:
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Sorry to see the 757 go so soon, they have only been with Avianca for 12 years.

User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 19583 times:

Quoting Bongo (Reply 13):
Well...That´s why they will buy 10 787´s and while they are flying

So that means that SCL, for instance, will be condemned to receive barely 3x weekly flights because they simply cannot support a daily 787.

See the point? The 757 plays an important role in AV, and it will be tough to replace it efficiently.

Another problem would be MDE-JFK. It cannot be done by a 738, would it support a 787? Maybe making it again only 4x weekly.

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 14):
I am, of course, aware BOG is a high-altitude airport, however CM flies their 73G nonstop from their PTY hub to EZE, MVD and GRU [and soon, GIG].

True. Bare in mind I was talking exclusively about the 737-800. I believe the longest sector Copa flies with the -800 on a regular basis is PTY-MEX.

As for the rest, I agree, you pretty much illustrated with numbers and figures the point I was trying to make. The 738 would only serve as a true replacement for AV in domestic and short to medium-haul routes.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 15):
737-800
Maximum Range 3,060 nautical miles (5665 km)

BOG is 8300 feet above sea level. Only a handfull of airports receiving regular intercontinental flights are that high. The aircraft cannot make it nonstop to the southern cone under those conditions.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineNicolasRubio From Argentina, joined Sep 2005, 584 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 18921 times:

BOG-EZE, nowadays is served with 767 (am I wrong?) so maybe it'd be served with 787s...


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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 18610 times:

Quoting NicolasRubio (Reply 21):
BOG-EZE, nowadays is served with 767 (am I wrong?) so maybe it'd be served with 787s...

This route has high lf's and good yields, so it wouldn't surprise me if that's the case.



Next flights: AV BOG-ADZ-BOG, AV-UA BOG-IAD-ORD-IAD-BOG, BOG-FLL-BOG, LA BOG-MIA-BOG J
User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 18426 times:

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 20):
Another problem would be MDE-JFK. It cannot be done by a 738

Acording to Great Circle Map MDE-JFK is 2375 mi, perfectly done by a 738.



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5083 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 18384 times:

Is this news been confirmed yet?


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25 Cessnalady : Reading one post after the other seems to me enthusiasm is making some people blind to the fact that BOG and MDE's high-altitude conditions effectivel
26 Summa767 : No official announcement, and we may have have to wait a couple of weeks for it. But there is strong "chatter" on the issue. It has been reported in
27 SOUTHAMERICA : Of course it can, in theory. But you know that realistically, it would be done with half the cargo loads, and probably passenger-restricted as well t
28 MCOflyer : I'm not surprise if this is true. AV has been a Boeing operator for some time and probably will be. MCOflyer
29 Sr22GTS : Do you think this will lead to a lot of new pilot hiring?
30 777jaah : AFAIK, they've been hiring a lot, mainly because of the fleet of F-100s they bought from AA.
31 Jfk777 : I used to fly Avianca from BAQ to JFK in the early 1970's on 707's. They left in the morning from BAQ arriving at JFK in the mid-afternoon. Some Genio
32 SOUTHAMERICA : I expect you to be aware that the above is a completely and entirely personal opinion. I would personally love to depart BAQ late at night. It allows
33 Summa767 : Genious, no doubt, as they discovered that parking the airplane overnight made no money. Agreed that the MD83 is not an ideal plane for a 4 hour rout
34 Jfk777 : Southamerica, The times AV flies from BAQ to JFK are set by them no me, "how can it be my opinion"? All my life traveling to Colombia has been during
35 SOUTHAMERICA : Jfk777, Your position is absolutely personal because you are the one who finds it to be inconvinient. That most definitely does not imply that everybo
36 Bogota : Maybe you like flying all day long, I rather arrive at the airport at 9:00 p.m. to check in and be in NYC next morning. CO leaves at 9:00 a.m. that m
37 MCOflyer : I've never flown AV, but can tell you AV is popular enough to be invited to an alliance. Everyone has THEIR OWN opinion. My opinion is that AV is a GR
38 Adriaticus : I do hope they get the new planes as anticipated in this thread, and most specially, they make the qualitative, administrative and systemic upgrades
39 Jfk777 : Southamerica, My opinions of Avianca are from flying them many times all my life. IF my experirnces on Avianca were as positive as Qantas or Singapore
40 Summa767 : It is true that one of Aerocivil's tasks is to protect the colombian airline industry. So it has heavily regulated it -as do most countries- with bil
41 777jaah : Sure that happenned, but come on, I can bet that happenned to you at least 15-20 years ago. Many things have changed in AV since then. Maybe there's
42 Bongo : Don´t think BAQ-MIA-BAQ is $500. From MDE to MIA rtn is around $329 low seasson and around $429 in high season.
43 Jfk777 : Bongo, Last time I went Miami-Baq -Miami I had to go that day in July 2004 because of a death in the family, Avianca made me $850 pooer. There is reas
44 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : The answer: Aeroepublica or other Colombian airlines flying to MIA
45 Post contains images Coal : The same reason AV doesn't have any flights from BOG to Cayenne or Paramaribo. Hey, they fly to every other SoAm capital! It's called Economics. Same
46 Post contains images SOUTHAMERICA : Jfk777, If you're flight experience is so vast, you should know by now that everything you are criticizing about Avianca is common for many other airl
47 Jfk777 : South America, What did happen to American in BAQ ? I knew the manager Adelina D'Amato, she was manager there from Eastern then AA but she has sinced
48 Jfk777 : Avianca would be better served with a mixed fleet of 737-700 and -800's then 30 738 alone. Maybe some 739ER should be considered too.
49 LIPZ : When could they start these european routes? How is performing the new one to BCN?
50 Bongo : LIPZ: Don´t exactly know when because they didn´t start it yet due to the lack of aircrafts. Let´s wait until they officially "launch the news" wh
51 AwysBSB : Yeah, LON might be more profitable than FCO, but if AV operates to FCO with stops in a Brazilian city (like FOR or REC), such a service would be prof
52 A300AA : If you dont know what happen with the employees in BAQ after AA left, then for sure you dont know Adelina, and anybody there.
53 Jfk777 : A300AA, I knew Adelina, as did my grandmother, aunt, uncles(too many to count) and so on. I also knew Cecilia Montes whom worked for Eastern, she work
54 CV990 : Hi! Well this is indeed great news for AV! I think these guys deserve the best and this order will certainly pump their business again. The 757-200 an
55 777ER : Maybe the title should be changed to 'Rumor', as nothing is confirmed Why not B739ERs if the B757 fills good on those routes.
56 Post contains images Legacy135 : Let's see if AV goes to confirm those news soon. I think it would be a smart move, although I would like to see them a little longer with the B757, wh
57 Jfk777 : Legacy 135, Flights on Avianca from Colombia to JFK have always been during the daylight hours. Traditionally the BOG to JFK flight left at 5:00pm arr
58 MCOflyer : Agreed. I wouldn't be surprised if AV and CM are invited to Sky Team. MCOflyer
59 MAH4546 : A more liberalized Colombia-US air treaty has gone into effect, allowing AA to fly to more destinations. They have been closely studying flying to PE
60 Jfk777 : Would love to see AA to BAq, again. They are missed and badly needed, Avianca is the only game to the USA.
61 Coal : Looks like a bit of a conflict of interest having AV and CM in SkyTeam, considering CM owns P5. I think SkyTeam will have to decide b/w AV and CM...
62 Jfk777 : Star Alliance for Avianca, Interesting ? The big markets in Latin America are Brazil, Argentina & Chile which is why Varig was Star's baby in Latin Am
63 EddieDude : Yeah, Brazil is the biggest piece of the cake, however we must not forget that Mexico is the region's second largest economy and MEX is LatAm's large
64 Adriaticus : Eddie, I would like to know your sources. This comment got my curiosity, so I checked the books... As per Encyclopaedia Britannica (2005 Info): Mexic
65 Jfk777 : Avianca keeps getting more 767's with less Europe to fly them too. In 2000 AV flew daily to Mad & 3 or 4 timews weekly to each FRA, LHR and CDG. LHR s
66 MAH4546 : They also fly the 767s to Miami and New York City daily, as well as LAX 3x weekly.
67 SOUTHAMERICA : Avianca flies 767s on a regular basis to Madrid, Barcelona, New York City, Miami, Los Angeles, Mexico City, Caracas, Lima, Santiago, Buenos Aires and
68 EddieDude : Don't mean to hijack the thread, so I will be quick. Many sources place the Mexican economy ahead of the Brazilian one and others the other way around
69 Jfk777 : Still surprises me that Avianca doesn't fly to Paris, where it flew for many years. Air France still flies to Bog, IB is the only other European airli
70 Express1 : Everytime i think of Avianca, the Boeing 707 comes into my mind!!! still great news if this does happen dave
71 777jaah : AV quit the route due to their poor financial situatuion in the time. There's been rumours of flying again to CDG next year. Air Madriad and Air Euro
72 Flyinfroggie : I, personally, loved the overnight flight. As I go to Colombia on vacation, I try to squeeze every minute out of it that I can. Continental flights l
73 Coal : JJ has a very strong relationship with AA. Sure, LA is in OW and offers connections throughout SoAm, but mostly on the Western side. I think TAM woul
74 Jfk777 : Since AV gives Delta miles, I would bet on Skyteam.
75 SoAmSky : Regardless to the fleet picked, do you guys know whether Avianca is having its long haul planes fitted with personal entertainment system or not? Rega
76 Avianca707359B : Me too! I flew extensively on 707's & 720B's as well as on 727-100's during the 70's, 80's, and into the 90's.....never had the chance to fly them tr
77 RCS763AV : Chile?.... Venezuela and Colombia are way larger....even Peru. They are putting LCD screens, thats it for now. I think the replacement will have PTVs
78 777jaah : Returning to the original topic: I spoke with someone at their financial dept las night, and asked him about this suppossed deal, and he told me they
79 Jfk777 : BAQ - JFK would please in Governor of the Departamento del Atlantico, that's the province where Baranquilla is. Years ago when 707 and 727-200 Advance
80 777jaah : Close, but not right. Look more into AV politics, and find out where is Mr Villegas from............Pereira..........so there's your answer. The peop
81 Jfk777 : 777Jaah, Ok so you me, but Barranquilla is the only big non-resort city on the Caribean in Colombia. I was with some friends a few years ago on the ne
82 777jaah : You're right on this. Next week I'll fly BOG-CTG and try to have the landing on video, I'll post it for you to see. CTG is an old airport, with extre
83 Jfk777 : I was fond of the old BAQ, the new one while badly needed already is 25 years old. I remember arriving one christmas from Miami on AV 747 in the old t
84 XA744 : I´ve flown them, and I can only tell you that Avianca has always been a pleasant experience !!!... Colombian people are not only friendly and warm,
85 Bongo : Hey XA, thanks a lot for your friendly comment !
86 Jfk777 : The alliances badly need an airline in Latin America, lets face it the pickins are slim. The quality airline are: TAM, LAN, COPA, TACA, MEXICANA, AERO
87 Avianca : not correct, did you mean AirPlus Comet?
88 SOUTHAMERICA : Nonsense, and what would they leave for the BOG-FLL route? For your information, BOG-FLL is Avianca's single best year-round performer US-flight in t
89 RCS763AV : Do you think Efromovich would open a route for politics...no way. It might be one of the reasons, but there is also a huge population from the coffe
90 Bogota : Actually CTG is under a renovation project now. There is an article on the AV magazine this month. I came in yesterday and they are at present buildi
91 Hardiwv : 2006 data: Brazil x Mexico GDP Purchasing Power Parity, PPP (the most commonly used measure): - Brazil $1,568,000,000,000 - Mexico $1,068,000,000,000
92 Jfk777 : RCS763AV, You are right since AV does have many flights to Miami, Madrid and JFK that ONEWORLD would be better then another alliance group. I look at
93 Hardiwv : You "only" forgot AR and GOL, which are much more powerfull airlines and would certainly be more coveted by any of the alliances. Btw, TACA will most
94 Jfk777 : Hardiwv, GOL with its Southwest Airlines and no Business Class service while very successful at what it does, is not really alliance material. JETBLUE
95 Hardiwv : GOL is not Southwest: for example, it serves free onboard food. Also, its coverage of the Brazilian territory makes it highly coveted by any of the a
96 Jfk777 : GOL has a very good and fresh product. It does give the traditional flag airlines problrms with service to Buenos Aires and Santiago, if an alliance w
97 RCS763AV : Well, 4 destinations in the US is quite good actually. ORD and IAD would never be viable, only if UA few them maybe. And AV has strong ties with both
98 Jfk777 : RCS763AV, If AV goes with the SK alliance I hope that AV will fly to Atlanta. Flights to Newark would also be interesting. I know AV did fly to Newark
99 Summa767 : That's an interesting question. I assume that they will want to stay where they are. Continental already serves Bogota from their Newark hub, and to
100 777jaah : I'l be flying to CTG on thursday, so I'll catch up with the news, I'll try to take pics. Sorry, my mistake. You're right. I'm just saying what somebo
101 Adriaticus : CM has not achieved associate status. Reservations and similar procedures, as well as accrual of miles is only functional with CO. Why? Care to elabo
102 2wingtips : Any updates on the order timeline and is it still expected this Sunday?
103 Bongo : Nothing yet. Many days of silence makes me more curious...let´s wait until Sunday.
104 777jaah : No decision has been taken on this new fleet issue. Until tuesday, offers by the Toulouse and Seattle guys were ebbn received in AVs headquarters. I
105 Amazonphil : I was thinking the same. CO, my airline, doesn't bring our 738's down for the very reason...although a powerful machine, it's a little more difficult
106 Summa767 : Avianca has invited journalists for the official presentation of its refurbished domestic terminal at Bogota. This is the coming Monday 9th October at
107 Bongo : By the way the new domestic gates are beautiful, it is nice to see all the AV tails parked in line...I hope we can see pics soon on a.net
108 Bongo : And the winner issssss: Boeing. Tomorrow more details of the deal, pretty close to the original topic !
109 Avianca : heard that they could lease 2 B.777 till they get the first 787, any info on this? regard
110 RCS763AV : I knew Boeing would grab it. AV has been a loyal customer since ever. Cant wait to see those 737s and 787s!!!!!
111 Post contains links Avianca707359B : Excerpts from a French news service, EasyBourse, posted on 10/10 @ 1:28am: ["Colombia's Avianca To Invest $2 Billion To Buy 30 Jets By '14"] ["I don't
112 Summa767 : Good news on London! Still a bit frustrating that no final decision has been made on Boeing vs Airbus. What seems clear is that the new planes will b
113 Post contains links Avianca707359B : This is the link to the main EasyBourse site, as the variable link no longer works: http://www.easybourse.com/Website/site/fra_accueil.php It is a Fr
114 NYC777 : Does anyone have definitive info on types and numbers?
115 AV757 : So far rumours within the company say that it looks like it is going to be 10 787-8's with options for 5 more and the medium range fleet will be made
116 EddieDude : Wow! If this is true, it will be nice to see the A32x's in the colorful AV livery! I must say the 787 was a quite obvious choice for long-haul... I gu
117 777jaah : What I've heard is that they'll stick to one manufacturer alone. They want to deal with only one supplier. My bet is that after all things going on w
118 Summa767 : That would be an interesting split of orders! I must admit that I would quite like that. The Dreamliner seems very suited for AV's long haul ops, apa
119 Bongo : Hey Summa, that makes sense...however I wouldn´t like to be on that A319 MDE-JFK !
120 Summa767 : Hello Bongo! Well, it's either an A319 or a 737-700! I don't think that either is too bad. I mean, the 737 is basically the same fuselage width as th
121 Jfk777 : The problem here is non of those airplane replace the 757 for load & distance to Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo.
122 RCS763AV : Then why do people ride it on BOG-YYZ?? The A320 family is very good. That would look nice...but would it work??? I don´t see an A320 doing BOG-EZE,
123 SOUTHAMERICA : Not only that, but there are also plenty of A319's operating transcontinental flights in the United States which are pretty comparable to MDE-JFK in
124 Post contains images Bongo : Wouldn´t like to be on that one either
125 Danimarroquin : well , Im guessing that all the airlines in the world are dealing with the same thing with the 757. greeat for AV , now lets wait for the official . I
126 A300AA : BOG YYZ on AC long time ago changed equipment to a 767. Also DL will change to 767 on NOV on its BOG ATL , and AA will do it on DEC, offering the new
127 RCS763AV : It is still an A319 on the lower season. Why? The A319 is more comfortable than the 757, for real. It might look small but the plane has a bigger fee
128 Bogota : Unless the week before last and yesterday are part of high season there was a 767 there when I left two weeks ago, and there was one last night when
129 RCS763AV : They sometimes send the 767 for cargo, but the A319 is on the lower season, plus airlines don´t change their summer schedule until ends of september
130 Summa767 : Yes, on Amdeus the 767 features 3 x a week for ATL-BOG-ATL, with the other 4 days staying with the 757.. I do have the same feeling. It must be just
131 MEACEDAR : Good for AV!!!!!! But do you know the first one in the US?
132 Jfk777 : I've been waiting longer for this annoucment then a health update on Fidel Castro. Boeing or Airbus guys, the bears in Seattle or Toulouse need to kno
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