Centrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 5735 times:
Before flying via Osaka didn't they fly from LAX? But then they decided to go via Osaka to take advantage of their 5th freedom rights? Didn't the OZ government try and give NW the push out in favor of UA?
I heard that UA also has the right to fly from Japan to OZ and NZ. Is this true?
I think NW will be back in OZ in the near future. Come 2009 they will the only US carrier with enough aircraft for larger Pacific Expansion.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
Actually 1994, LAX/HNL-SYD were dropped in 1/94, and JFK-ITM-SYD was dropped 6 months later SYD-ITM operating the last NWA Australian service with a 747-100.
We did briefly return to Aussie soil in 2000 for the Sydney Olympic games. We transported the US Olympic team from LAX.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5674 times:
There was a LAX-SYD nonstop which lasted a very short time, this would be the early '90s. LAX during this time in the Early Nineties had some other interesting nonstops from NW, Taipei, Hong Kong and Seoul at one time had nonstops from LAX although they did not last long.
Then there was the Honolulu-Sydney flights and the JFK-KIX-SYD flight which lasted untill '94 or '95.
NWA should take their 787s and open up shop in Seattle (again), Taipei, Hong Kong, Osaka, Seoul, Sydney, Bangalore, Delhi etc.
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5631 times:
NW also faced some issues when operating USA-SYD over japan.
The air services agreement limited NW to only 50% uplift from japan, hence making the service unprofitable.
This was a restriction placed by Australian authorities.
Quoting AAden (Reply 5): don't they still fly to Sydney from japan?
Nope. although they do interline with QF between japan and Australia.
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 7): There is a lack of skyteam carriers in SYD and AKL
Not true! The 50% restriction was placed by the Japanesse authorities, with the Oz authorities agreeing, as the restriction was in the Japan-USA bilateral, not the Oz-USA bilateral.
Quoting Centrair (Reply 4): Didn't the OZ government try and give NW the push out in favor of UA?
What?? Why would the Oz government favour one US carrier over another?
Quoting Centrair (Reply 4): I heard that UA also has the right to fly from Japan to OZ and NZ. Is this true?
The USA has the right to designate carriers to use the fifth freedom rights available under the bilateral from Oz to Asia & Europe. No US carrier has used them since the days of PA, except for the NW exercise already discussed in this thread.
Quoting Centrair (Reply 4): I think NW will be back in OZ in the near future. Come 2009 they will the only US carrier with enough aircraft for larger Pacific Expansion.
I strongly doubt it! NW is poorly positioned for services to the SW Pacific. Its hubs at MSP & DTW do not serve the majority of North America efficiently when talking about the SW Pacific. I strongly doubt that any North American city, outside those already served, has sufficient O&D to justify a point to point service, so connections rule.
Rjm717 From Australia, joined May 2000, 88 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5293 times:
A couple of points need to be clarified.
1) NW never served NZ
2) At one time we had SYD-LAX / SYD-HNL / SYD-ITM-USA services totalling 10 per week.
3) Service to Australia was stopped by Jabba The Hut. Oh, sorry - Mike Levine (same thing!!!) in August 1994, when the service was actually profitable!
Quoting Gemuser (Reply 13): Not true! The 50% restriction was placed by the Japanesse authorities, with the Oz authorities agreeing, as the restriction was in the Japan-USA bilateral, not the Oz-USA bilateral.
4) Actually, it was the Aust Labor Govt that imposed restrictions on the SYD-ITM-USA (JFK then DTW) services, not Japan, after pressure by QANTAS who couldn't compete on the route. UA has the rights to operate the route, but the Aust govt continues to block their request to do so daily.
Becuase the US aviation enterprise resurected the Japanese civil air transport system follwoing WW2 which in return the Bilateral agreement was signed, but blatently favouring US carriers serving Japan. In that era, it was Northwest Airways(Became Northwest Orient) and Pan American. 5th Freedom rights beyond Japan were granted in 1952. Japan Airlines di fly a few routes byond the US with DC8's to Latin America during the 20th century