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Does NW Still Fly To SYD Or AKL?  
User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2663 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 12 months 21 hours ago) and read 5751 times:

I was looking at the northwest route map but I didn't see Sydney or Auckland while I was looking. When did NW stop service to Sydney and Auckland? Will they fly to SYD or AKL again? Hopefully NW will.  pray 


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User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1560 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

IIRC it was sometime shortly before 9/11. Does anyone remember from where in the US they flew from? MSP/DTW can't be reached directly from SYD/AKL with any NW aircraft.


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User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 5732 times:

They flew to SYD from DTW via Osaka. Not sure of the AKL routing. Something tells me it was through HNL. Kind of cloudy on it.


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 20 hours ago) and read 5714 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 1):
IIRC it was sometime shortly before 9/11. Does anyone remember from where in the US they flew from? MSP/DTW can't be reached directly from SYD/AKL with any NW aircraft.

SYD was dropped in 1995.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 5628 times:

Before flying via Osaka didn't they fly from LAX? But then they decided to go via Osaka to take advantage of their 5th freedom rights? Didn't the OZ government try and give NW the push out in favor of UA?

I heard that UA also has the right to fly from Japan to OZ and NZ. Is this true?

I think NW will be back in OZ in the near future. Come 2009 they will the only US carrier with enough aircraft for larger Pacific Expansion.



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User currently offlineAAden From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 835 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

don't they still fly to Sydney from japan?

User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Before flying via Osaka didn't they fly from LAX

I believe it was always through Osaka.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Come 2009 they will the only US carrier with enough aircraft for larger Pacific Expansion.

Or CO with our 787 deliveries.



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

Quoting AAden (Reply 5):
don't they still fly to Sydney from japan?

No they don't unfortunately. There is a lack of skyteam carriers in SYD and AKL


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 5589 times:
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Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 1):
IIRC it was sometime shortly before 9/11.

KIX-KUL was dropped in 2001 about 2 months after 9-11 when LAX-KIX was terminated.

Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 3):
SYD was dropped in 1995.

Actually 1994, LAX/HNL-SYD were dropped in 1/94, and JFK-ITM-SYD was dropped 6 months later SYD-ITM operating the last NWA Australian service with a 747-100.
We did briefly return to Aussie soil in 2000 for the Sydney Olympic games. We transported the US Olympic team from LAX.

[Edited 2006-08-28 04:49:40]


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 5567 times:

There was a LAX-SYD nonstop which lasted a very short time, this would be the early '90s. LAX during this time in the Early Nineties had some other interesting nonstops from NW, Taipei, Hong Kong and Seoul at one time had nonstops from LAX although they did not last long.

Then there was the Honolulu-Sydney flights and the JFK-KIX-SYD flight which lasted untill '94 or '95.

NWA should take their 787s and open up shop in Seattle (again), Taipei, Hong Kong, Osaka, Seoul, Sydney, Bangalore, Delhi etc.



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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 18 hours ago) and read 5544 times:
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Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 2):
They flew to SYD from DTW via Osaka

It was JFK-ITM-SYD. A 747-400 flew the leg from JFK to ITM, with a 747-100 flying the 2nd leg form ITM to SYD. It operated M,W,Th,F and Sun from JFK-Osaka and Osaka-Sydney operated M,F Sun

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 2):
Not sure of the AKL routing. Something tells me it was through HNL

We never served AKL.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
Then there was the Honolulu-Sydney flights and the JFK-KIX-SYD flight which lasted untill '94 or '95.

JFK-ITM-SYD. We were using Itami at the time, KIX was still under construction and didn't open until 7/96



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 5524 times:

NW also faced some issues when operating USA-SYD over japan.
The air services agreement limited NW to only 50% uplift from japan, hence making the service unprofitable.
This was a restriction placed by Australian authorities.

Quoting AAden (Reply 5):
don't they still fly to Sydney from japan?

Nope. although they do interline with QF between japan and Australia.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 7):
There is a lack of skyteam carriers in SYD and AKL

KE serves both AKL and SYD daily...


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5524 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 5415 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 11):
KE serves both AKL and SYD daily...

Well when you compare it to Star Alliance and Oneworld its very small. But they do serve other Australian cities.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5629 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 11):
This was a restriction placed by Australian authorities.

Not true! The 50% restriction was placed by the Japanesse authorities, with the Oz authorities agreeing, as the restriction was in the Japan-USA bilateral, not the Oz-USA bilateral.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
Didn't the OZ government try and give NW the push out in favor of UA?

What?? Why would the Oz government favour one US carrier over another?

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
I heard that UA also has the right to fly from Japan to OZ and NZ. Is this true?

The USA has the right to designate carriers to use the fifth freedom rights available under the bilateral from Oz to Asia & Europe. No US carrier has used them since the days of PA, except for the NW exercise already discussed in this thread.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 4):
I think NW will be back in OZ in the near future. Come 2009 they will the only US carrier with enough aircraft for larger Pacific Expansion.

I strongly doubt it! NW is poorly positioned for services to the SW Pacific. Its hubs at MSP & DTW do not serve the majority of North America efficiently when talking about the SW Pacific. I strongly doubt that any North American city, outside those already served, has sufficient O&D to justify a point to point service, so connections rule.


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12092 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 5391 times:
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NW don't fly to SYD or AKL.

User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

is it just UA who fly to oz and nz?

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5629 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 11 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 15):
is it just UA who fly to oz and nz?

No.

UA fly LAX-SYD & SFO-SYD, one plane then flies SYD-MEL-SYD. All daily.

HA fly HNL-SYD 3-4 weekly

CO fly GUM-CNS 2-3 times a week

No US airlines fly to NZ

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User currently offlineRjm717 From Australia, joined May 2000, 87 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 6 hours ago) and read 5186 times:

A couple of points need to be clarified.

1) NW never served NZ
2) At one time we had SYD-LAX / SYD-HNL / SYD-ITM-USA services totalling 10 per week.
3) Service to Australia was stopped by Jabba The Hut. Oh, sorry - Mike Levine (same thing!!!) in August 1994, when the service was actually profitable!

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 13):
Not true! The 50% restriction was placed by the Japanesse authorities, with the Oz authorities agreeing, as the restriction was in the Japan-USA bilateral, not the Oz-USA bilateral.

4) Actually, it was the Aust Labor Govt that imposed restrictions on the SYD-ITM-USA (JFK then DTW) services, not Japan, after pressure by QANTAS who couldn't compete on the route. UA has the rights to operate the route, but the Aust govt continues to block their request to do so daily.

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User currently offlineCamille38 From France, joined Aug 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 5174 times:

It is strange to see, Tokyo as a Northwest Airlines hub...
what kind of agreement there is between NW and the japanese government?


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8086 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 5 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

Quoting Camille38 (Reply 18):
what kind of agreement there is between NW and the japanese government?

The kind you get when you win WW2.

I want to know about AA's flights to Australia in the old days:

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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 3 hours ago) and read 5066 times:

Quoting Camille38 (Reply 18):
It is strange to see, Tokyo as a Northwest Airlines hub...
what kind of agreement there is between NW and the japanese government?

The same kind of agreement that gave Pan Am exclusive rights for Intra-Germany routes from Berlin, and a hub at Frankfurt. WWII.



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User currently offlineCamille38 From France, joined Aug 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 5046 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 20):
The same kind of agreement that gave Pan Am exclusive rights for Intra-Germany routes from Berlin, and a hub at Frankfurt. WWII.

Since then they have these rights! But why only NWA?


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 2 hours ago) and read 5040 times:

Quoting Camille38 (Reply 21):
Since then they have these rights! But why only NWA?

UAL also has beyond rights at NRT.



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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5629 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Quoting Rjm717 (Reply 17):
4) Actually, it was the Aust Labor Govt that imposed restrictions on the SYD-ITM-USA (JFK then DTW) services, not Japan

Here we go again! It is a restriction based on the US/Japan bilateral! It was imposed & enforced by Japan! (With Oz agreeing, of course)

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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4892 times:
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Quoting Camille38 (Reply 21):
Since then they have these rights! But why only NWA?

Becuase the US aviation enterprise resurected the Japanese civil air transport system follwoing WW2 which in return the Bilateral agreement was signed, but blatently favouring US carriers serving Japan. In that era, it was Northwest Airways(Became Northwest Orient) and Pan American. 5th Freedom rights beyond Japan were granted in 1952. Japan Airlines di fly a few routes byond the US with DC8's to Latin America during the 20th century

Quoting STT757 (Reply 22):
UAL also has beyond rights at NRT.

In which they acquired from Pan Am in 1984.



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25 Dtwclipper : Just a little correction, the sale took place on April 22, 1985
26 Jetjack74 : Right.
27 ZKNBX : Skyteam is not small. Larger than one world - however, the smallest representation of the 3 major alliances in the Australia / NZ market. Would be lov
28 DeltaGator : Tell me about it. Yes it would but I don't think DL or NW will free up or buy any planes any time soon to fly the route. Until then I'm stuck (if you
29 Af773atmsp : But NW made an order of 787s. I think the 787s were going to be for Asian/Pacific routes and international flights. Heres my guess on the 787 routes p
30 Jetjack74 : Well, I think DTW/MSP-CDG are probably the most probable of those routes.
31 Af773atmsp : Although the CDG routes would probably be used by A330s. From MSP 744s go to NRT. A333s go to AMS, HNL (soon), CDG (soon), and LGW. So maybe the 787s
32 Jetjack74 : Anything is possible, but i'm not sure what NWA would be willing to risk, since there is so much competition between Australasia and Japan-China regi
33 VHVXB : I think MH will be joining soon. Exactly but both JL and QF are cutting some of their service to Australia and Japan
34 Jfk777 : HKG-SYD HKG-AKL How does NW have rights to those flights ? Cathay and Qantas would have something to say about that.
35 JFK998 : DAMN!! You beat me to it!! Thats for damn sure. Star Alliance Airlines to Australia/NZ: Air Canada (SYD) Air New Zealand Asiana (SYD) Austrian (SYD/M
36 VHVXB : Not to forget JL who have also joined oneworld
37 ZKNBX : You forgot: SAA South African Airways
38 Post contains images Kjet12 : Perhaps when Air Tahiti Nui starts service to MSP, NW will be forced to compete more actively in the Australia / New Zealand market.
39 767ER : Air New Zealand flying to MSP? That's truely priceless. ORD at a long push but never MSP. There is just not the market.
40 Gemuser : NW does not have the rights, the USA does. They also have the right to nominate which of their airlines can use those rights. NW was nominated. The U
41 ZK-NBT : ?? Who ever said that? No NZ would never fly to MSP.
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