MSPCRJ200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 60 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4131 times:
We hear about them all the time. Yesterday an LH 744 landed here at MSP on its way to DEN with a heart attack victim. What costs do you think are involved in these situations? Obviously a fuel/weight recalc and a fuel dump if necessary come into play, but what about ground services, landing fees or others? Does this become a humanitarian services donation or does someone try to make money from an unfortunate incident?
AirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3933 times:
Bounce this thought around.. Do the costs of an emergency landing out weigh the possible lawsuit if the pilots don't land and something happens i.e. the pax dies. Welcome to the lawsuit happy world we live in
Boeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3916 times:
I've been on a flight that was diverted for medical reasons. While worth it if a life is saved, the costs are plenty. In addition to ones you raised (landing fees, fuel, etc.):
-- Cost of misconnecting passengers (are hotel needed, staff time to reacommodate, etc.)
-- Crew time: will new crew be needed because crew time has expired?
-- Ground services, especially if aircraft lands at an airport where the aircraft or airline is not common.
Uadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3916 times:
my uncle retired off the 744 at united in 02 and he did the ord-hkg runs quite a bit and he told me that it was in the 50k range to put it down in pek whether it be for a medical divert or to get more gas, he did divert there a few times for fuel and thats what he was being told by dispatch. where im at if a wn or jet blue divert here...they are charged triple the landing rate as they are not a signatory carrier(do not serve this airport)plus fuel and other cost asscoiated with the divert(crew time and the legalities with that)
MD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1330 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3878 times:
The costs of a medical diversion are right there in the cost of a ticket. An airline can give you the average number of medical diversions per 100,000hrs and can break down the stats by fleet types, pairings, etc. The guy with the chest pains in 4c is costing you money and time. It is just a fact of life and a cost of doing business.
No, why do you ask? If I am in a car accident and get life flighted I have to pay for it. Why should the airline have to foot the bill for someones medical condition. If the airline caused the medical problem they should have to pay other wise it should be the patients responsibility. This would discourage late term pregnancies and people who have medical conditions who really shouldn't fly from flying.
RobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 945 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3843 times:
The costs of medical diversions are quite considerable, and the airlines now have a contracted outfit to give medical advice to the crew to supplement any onboard medical expertise that may be present.
DavidT From Switzerland, joined Oct 2005, 477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3829 times:
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 8): Why should the airline have to foot the bill for someones medical condition.
Also, diversions are normally not at the request of the pax? So if some poor guy gets sent a £50,000 bill for a heart attack he didn't know he was going to have, there's going to be a lot of negative press.
EWRandMDW From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3785 times:
On Aug 10 (the day of the London scare) I flew on WN1815 SEA-MDW. As it happened, an older gentleman showed signs of what the crew thought might be a heart attack. The FAs asked over the PA if there was a physician on board. As it happens, the man sitting next to me was and he went forward to tend to the sick man. It turns out all the standing and other stresses brought on by the enhanced security protocols got the better of him and he developed shortness of breath and lightheadedness. The MD assured the flight crew there was nothing major to worry about so we continued on to Midway. On landing, an EMT crew was there to check the passenger out.
There was a real possibility of detouring to somewhere in Wyoming or South Dakota, but the physician's assurance the passenger would be OK was enough to keep us on course to Chicago. I'm now wondering, IF this passenger later developed greater medical problems because of not making an emergency landing somewhere, who would be liable, the airline, the MD or a combination of the two?
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5527 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3742 times:
Quoting AirEMS (Reply 2): Do the costs of an emergency landing out weigh the possible lawsuit if the pilots don't land and something happens i.e. the pax dies. Welcome to the lawsuit happy world we live in
Quoting EWRandMDW (Reply 11): IF this passenger later developed greater medical problems because of not making an emergency landing somewhere, who would be liable, the airline, the MD or a combination of the two?
At CO, as well as other airlines, we subscribe to a service called MedLink (a service of MedAire). It is based out of Banner Good Samaritan Medical Centre here in Phoenix. Whenever we have a sick customer or someone needing any type or medical assistance, we call them. Once a call has been initiated, they then assume responsibility for diverting, not diverting, getting assistance at the destination, getting assistance at the place of diversion and so on. They also assume responsibility for medical assistance that takes place onboard, but, again, they need to be called first.
As for the costs involved with landing fees, putting people up in hotels if the crew goes illegal, etc., that I am not sure. Probably the airline eats that.