AA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1274 posts, RR: 6 Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2639 times:
*Standard disclaimer appologizing if topic has been discussed*
I was just wondering, as we draw nearer to the official entrance of JAL into the Oneworld alliance, if we will see greater expansion to meet new hubs. I was specifically thinking of destinations such as DFW, MIA, or major South American hubs such as Rio, Santiago, Buenos Aires, etc. I was even wondering if we might see new routes to Helsinki, Barcelona, and Madrid. While I know those routes would be thin and therefore unlikely, I am specifically interested in US expansion.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26522 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2452 times:
JAL in recent years has seen a significant cut back in many traditional markets such as the US.
ATL, DFW, LAS, SEA have all seen the discontinuation of service, while frequencies have gotten trimmed significantly in other markets. For instance LAX has gone from 3 sometimes 4 daily flights to merely 8 times weekly service come this fall.
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4312 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2399 times:
Quoting AA777223 (Thread starter): I was even wondering if we might see new routes to Helsinki, Barcelona, and Madrid.
No, you won't see that happen.
1) HEL-NRT is well served by AY on MD11. Part of OneWorld too! No need for JL to operate this route.
2) BCN & MAD are served via AMS in codeshare with IB (also OneWorld). Daily around 40 passengers maximum between AMS-BCN / MAD on both routes. Not enough demand to put an own aircraft down to Spain (something which was done in the past when the AMS flight flew onward to MAD and back to AMS before it's return to Japan).
JAL can't effort routes on which the demand will be low. That's why also NRT-ZRH is only served in summertime.
My ideas about new routes (for 772 or 787):
NRT-DXB (not served by EK)
NRT-IST (nowadays codeshare on TK's A343)
"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 3005 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2161 times:
JL either lending AY slots or JL operating NRT-HEL is not totally out of reason because JL's stronghold on number of slots. For example, JL could cut some of the low-yield beach runs and put a 777 on the NRT-HEL.
NRT-HEL-Europe would be one of shorter connections to anywhere to most of Europe that doesn't have non-stop service from NRT.
NRT-MAD is a possibility but not until the 788 arrives.
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1836 times:
I could see JL moving its Brasil flight from the mess JFK s for the customers to MAD or LHR.
In fact I think MAD would be an ideal stopover for an 777 NRT-MAD-GRU. The Japan-Spain leg is not that not too strong, so it is quite easy to refill all seats with 5th freedom traffic from Spain. Most of the traffic would fly the whole leg.
In contrast to the routing via JFK, where both legs are much more uneven in demand for a Japanes carrier. Huge demand Japan-New York but also difficult to find that much 5th freedom passengers from the US with a decent yield.
Whatever about the market, and I'd be sceptical of that, not so sure the runway in DUB could support a 772 loaded for NRT
Quoting Aisak (Reply 10): When EI leaves, I see BA doing these routes
Unlikely I'd guess - BA will continue to codeshare with EI on the LHR flights after they leave OW, in the main due to slot restrictions. EI have 26 daily in LHR as far as I know - do BA have the capacity or inclination to go head to head with someone offering that frequency - I doubt it. Also, bear in mind that many of the pax are connecting on to BA flights anyway - unless the luggage presents a problem with being checked through (and I see no reason why it should), I'd expect BA to be happy with the status quo, albeit that it would no longer be within the same alliance.
UpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1819 times:
Quoting JoFMO (Reply 11): In fact I think MAD would be an ideal stopover for an 777 NRT-MAD-GRU. The Japan-Spain leg is not that not too strong, so it is quite easy to refill all seats with 5th freedom traffic from Spain. Most of the traffic would fly the whole leg.
What about the 5th freedom rights Europe-Brazil? I don't think it's that easy to get them...
Quoting JoFMO (Reply 11): In contrast to the routing via JFK, where both legs are much more uneven in demand for a Japanes carrier. Huge demand Japan-New York but also difficult to find that much 5th freedom passengers from the US with a decent yield.
Really? JL has a dedicated NRT-JFK-NRT flight too and there is huge demand Japan-Brazil for obvious reasons. I've only been hearing it's very difficult to book JFK-GRU-JFK in biz since most pax travel the whole route from Japan.
Bnamaxx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
JL didn't last long at DFW. I know it was around 9/11. Were they a casualty of the times or just not profitable? I know they were operating an M11 on the service. AA has long since had double daily 777.
Avatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1569 times:
You'll see China and India long before anywhere else. There may be some frequency adjustments in other markets but until the Company is back in the black, no new cities - at least none that they've told us!