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Egyptair B777 Diverts To Goose Bay (Canada)  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7376 times:

Today Egyptair's CAI-JFK flight (MS985) was diverted to Goose Bay in Newfoundland when the B777 flight crew declared an emergency after reports of smoke on board. Checks at Goose Bay uncovered no problems and the flight with 325 on board (313 passengers and 19 crew) later continued to New York/JFK.

If anyone has access to any flight trackers I'd appreciate times and the routing of this short diversion.


Horus


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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7335 times:

Your title seemed more serious than the accident and I'm glad that's the case.  Smile It's good to know that there was nothing seriously wrong with the plane, but I guess few more checks are needed in JFK and it might cause some delay.


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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7300 times:

I got this on flightview, best I could find I'm afraid Horus


Egyptair Flight Number 985 (MS985)
FLIGHT TRACKER
DepartureThis flight has been diverted.
Airport: CAI
Scheduled Time: 10:15 AM, Aug 28
Actual Time: 10:25 AM, Aug 28


ArrivalStatus: Landed
Airport: New York, NY (JFK) (JFK)

Diverted to YYR

Scheduled Time: 3:15 PM, Aug 28
Actual Time: 3:01 PM, Aug 28


Flight Details
Aircraft: Boeing 777-200
Ground Speed: -
Altitude: -


DepartureRecovery Leg
Airport: YYR
Scheduled Time: Not Available
Actual Time: 6:02 PM, Aug 28


ArrivalStatus: In air
Airport: New York, NY (JFK) (JFK)

Scheduled Time: 3:15 PM, Aug 28
Estimated Time: 6:37 PM, Aug 28
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Time To Arrival: 39 min


Flight Details
Aircraft: Boeing 777-200
Ground Speed: 485 KTS
Altitude: 38000 feet

All times listed are local times unless otherwise stated.



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7268 times:

Cheers Pilot21. Much appreciated. Does flightview provide maps of the routing? specifically the CAI-YYR sector?

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 2):
Scheduled Time: 3:15 PM, Aug 28
Estimated Time: 6:37 PM, Aug 28

MS986 back to CAI is usually due out at 18:30, so I imagine the flight will be at least 2 hours late.


Horus

p.s. didn't mean to worry you there Aleksandar  Wink The smoke was reported in the cockpit.



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User currently offlineFalcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7268 times:

Flightaware.com and Fboweb.com both have the flight at 38,000 ft about 300 miles NE of JFK as of 6PM EDT. Routing appears to be over Presque Isle, Maine, and the Kennebunk arrival into JFK.


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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7110 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
p.s. didn't mean to worry you there Aleksandar

No, it is just fine, but in these days one thinks about many uglier options. Yes, smoke in cockpit is dangerous. First thought is Swissair 111 flight that wasn't so lucky. Fortunately, plane safely landed, passengers and crew are OK and nobody will say a word about pilots smoking nargilla in cockpit.  Wink



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7034 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 5):
No, it is just fine, but in these days one thinks about many uglier options.

Couldn't agree more. Unfortunately the state of the world today makes us a tad more pessimistic than usual. But all's well, that ends well. And I sure hope the pilots didn't have sheeshas in there

Horus


p.s. thanks for the info Falcon flyer

[Edited 2006-08-29 01:43:23]


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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6845 times:
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Quoting Horus (Thread starter):

hi Horus, Eyh ElA7'bar? Thanks of the news and Thank GOD that there was no any major issues, did they find out were was that smoke coming from?

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
MS986 back to CAI is usually due out at 18:30, so I imagine the flight will be at least 2 hours late.

Egyptair Flight Number 986 (MS986)

Departure
Airport: New York, NY (JFK) (JFK)
Scheduled Time: 6:30 PM, Aug 28
Actual Time: 9:14 PM, Aug 28

ArrivalStatus: In air
Airport: CAI
Scheduled Time: 11:45 AM, Aug 29
Estimated Time: 1:35 PM, Aug 29
Time To Arrival: 8 hr 7 min

Flight Details
Aircraft: Boeing 777-200
Ground Speed: 480 KTS
Altitude: 35000 feet

All times listed are local times unless otherwise stated

Quoting Horus (Reply 6):
And I sure hope the pilots didn't have sheeshas in there

Who knows, i have couple of friends who is in the Crew and the first thing when ever they come here is asking to to the Arabian Area to smoke Shisha.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9229 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6757 times:

Just like to clarify I train of thought I have seen creeping in with a few diversions on the 777 of late (not on this thread so far).

If the aircraft was a 777, 330, 747, 340, L1011, or MD-11, if the crew suspect fire the job is to get the aircraft on the ground ASAP. Its has nothing to do with the aircraft being a twin.

I have been told if an fire does break out, crews will have less than 20 minutes of useful time to deal with the emergency, the Swissair accident is a tribute to this.



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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6735 times:
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Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):

Thanks for the Info Zeke didn't know about that 2 Minutes rule.



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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 3):
Cheers Pilot21. Much appreciated. Does flightview provide maps of the routing? specifically the CAI-YYR sector?

It shows routing maps, but on this flight, because it had already stopped at Goose, it just showed the YYR-JFK bit. I tried to copy that into my posting, but it only took the written data, sorry.



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

Thanks god nobody was hurt . I heard in the news on my way back from work on Monday . As soon as i heard " An Egyptair flight on the way to JFK from Cairo..." i had my heart beating fast thinking of the worst , until i heard the rest of the news then i got releived .


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6158 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 7):
hi Horus, Eyh ElA7'bar?

Kwayis, inta 3amel eh?

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 7):
Thanks of the news and Thank GOD that there was no any major issues, did they find out were was that smoke coming from?



Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 11):
Thanks god nobody was hurt . I heard in the news on my way back from work on Monday . As soon as i heard " An Egyptair flight on the way to JFK from Cairo..." i had my heart beating fast thinking of the worst , until i heard the rest of the news then i got releived .

Oh absolutely. It's quite easy to assume the worst in these situations. Apparently no smoke was detected but there was a 'suspicious' smell in the cockpit. But it's better to be safe than sorry.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 7):
Scheduled Time: 6:30 PM, Aug 28
Actual Time: 9:14 PM, Aug 28

Not too much of a delay given the situation. Well done to the crew.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 7):
Who knows, i have couple of friends who is in the Crew and the first thing when ever they come here is asking to to the Arabian Area to smoke Shisha.

Haha, well I can imagine after 12 hours a smoker would be dieing for a fag/sheesha  Wink

Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
If the aircraft was a 777, 330, 747, 340, L1011, or MD-11, if the crew suspect fire the job is to get the aircraft on the ground ASAP. Its has nothing to do with the aircraft being a twin.

I have been told if an fire does break out, crews will have less than 20 minutes of useful time to deal with the emergency, the Swissair accident is a tribute to this.

It's wise not to risk the safety of passengers and aircraft. Sure a diversion is inconvenient and it turned out to be a false alarm in this occasion, but precautions need to be taken.

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 10):
It shows routing maps, but on this flight, because it had already stopped at Goose, it just showed the YYR-JFK bit. I tried to copy that into my posting, but it only took the written data, sorry.

No problem Pilot21. Thanks for checking though.


Horus



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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 6065 times:
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Quoting Horus (Reply 12):
Kwayis, inta 3amel eh?

tamam el7amd llah.

Quoting Horus (Reply 12):
Haha, well I can imagine after 12 hours a smoker would be dieing for a fag/sheesha

Have you ever been to the Crew Rest Area? Trust me they do smoke there.



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
325 on board (313 passengers and 19 crew)

Very good load , eih? That's a load factor of 98.12% for this flight .

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 7):

Keifak ya abou el cabaten  

Horus , i just got the latest Egyptair inflight magazine ( Horus ) and it states in the Editorial that MS has already placed an order for 6 90 passenger regional jet for its ( new ) subsidiary that will take care of Egyptair's domestic route . Am I missing something or there is a new plan for MS domestic services ?

The Chairman of Egypt Air also stated that this ( new subsidiary ) will start operation by the beginning of 2007 .

[Edited 2006-08-29 22:53:38]


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 13):
tamam el7amd llah.

3al 3al!

I was reading this interview with Amadeus Egypt's GM where he said MS will move to a new business model in 2007 or 2008.

And also Egyptair are increasing their HRG flights this winter:
Egyptair Add 4th Daily Flight To HRG (by Horus Aug 22 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 13):
Have you ever been to the Crew Rest Area? Trust me they do smoke there.

No, never been but I imagine it's like an Ahwa


Horus

[Edited 2006-08-29 23:16:59]


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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 12):
Apparently no smoke was detected but there was a 'suspicious' smell in the cockpit.

Smell of sheeshah?  Wink So, emergency was to clear out the smell before landing at JFK Big grin



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8690 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

Good to hear they're alright. I hope it was just a short circuit, or some system shorting out.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineCaptinTuT From United States of America, joined May 2005, 346 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5434 times:
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Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 14):
Very good load , eih? That's a load factor of 98.12% for this flight .

Well for now the loads are really high since every body is returning from the Summer Vacation, in the last couple of weeks i had to go to JFK to catch some people and meet some friends either coming or going back From/to CAI
I Noticed that the flight coming from CAI is almost full ( I also asked couple of my FA's friends that was on Board), but in the return Flight the loads were pretty poor for 3 times the load was about 70 PAX.
on the other hand i believe starting sep. the loads will raise again since most of the people that comes here for the Summer are returning since school starts in Mid Sep.
I booked MY bro on Sep. 14th and when i tried to change it to 15th they told me that the flight was booked on the 15th till 17th which confirm with my assumption.

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 14):
Keifak ya abou el cabaten

habibi A7'bark eh? Ana Tamam el 7amd LLAH

Quoting Horus (Reply 15):
No, never been but I imagine it's like an Ahwa

Trust me it's, you can see them sneaking down there  Smile

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 17):
Good to hear they're alright. I hope it was just a short circuit, or some system shorting out.

Well i think that was the problem too, i was reading on one of the Canadian newspapers and they said that they repaired the aircraft there
http://www.dailyheraldtribune.com/z_canadain0829.lasso
Does any one knows exactly what was repaired?

Regards
TuT



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 14):
Horus , i just got the latest Egyptair inflight magazine ( Horus ) and it states in the Editorial that MS has already placed an order for 6 90 passenger regional jet for its ( new ) subsidiary that will take care of Egyptair's domestic route . Am I missing something or there is a new plan for MS domestic services ?

The Chairman of Egypt Air also stated that this ( new subsidiary ) will start operation by the beginning of 2007 .

Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I completely missed your post.

Well I've heard more info this week (nothing about this order though). We can chat about it in another thread if you start one (maybe 'Egyptair domestics' or in the current MS HRG one) because we've kinda veered off track with this discussion (my fault I know  angel  ) and besides it's not good for MS's image to keep this thread alive for too long  Wink

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 16):
Smell of sheeshah? Wink So, emergency was to clear out the smell before landing at JFK Big grin

Shhhh, don't tell no one  Wink

Quoting MCOflyer (Reply 17):
ood to hear they're alright. I hope it was just a short circuit, or some system shorting out.

Still trying to find out but apparently it came from the cargo hold.

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
Trust me it's, you can see them sneaking down there Smile

All 19 of them?  Wink


Horus



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User currently offlineJamesjoyce From Belgium, joined May 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 19):
besides it's not good for MS's image to keep this thread alive for too long

I'm affraid to say that MS is on my personal "no fly" list anyway. I cannot explain this, just an uncomfortable feeling. Same as Royal Air Maroc, Tunis Air, any of the non-Aeroflot Russians, any of the Chinese operators ... Definitely not the successor of Air Zaire either ... several others as well.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5226 times:

Jamesjoyce, the comment was meant tongue in cheek. In fact the thread illustrated how the crew took the precautionary (and correct) action of diverting the aircraft based on safety reasons. And it's disappointing to read MS is on your 'no fly' list, since the airline has gone leaps and bounds for the past few years to enhance its operations, upgrade its fleet and improve its network and onboard services.

Horus



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User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 18):
habibi A7'bark eh? Ana Tamam el 7amd LLAH

Very good  Smile

Quoting Horus (Reply 19):
Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I completely missed your post.

Walla yehemak , 7a asam7ak elmarra deeh laken el marra elgaya la momken abadan  Smile Smile

Quoting Horus (Reply 19):
We can chat about it in another thread if you start one

Done .

Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 20):
I'm affraid to say that MS is on my personal "no fly" list anyway

I am sorry to hear that but i have a question for you : Have you tried them before ?
Since 2004 the company has improved a lot in both service and punctuality , they operate a small but a new fleet of 36 A/C .
You can visit www.cairo-airport.com and www.carsurvey.org to check the punctuality of the Airline as well as the comments of passengers on the Airline service and reliability , you will notice that after 2004 99% of the comments are positive . Besides , Egyptair ranks 5th among all international Airlines in ( Flight on time mark chart ) on carsurvey .org .



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5110 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 19):
Shhhh, don't tell no one

Don't worry. My lips are sealed and nobody will hear anything from me about sheeshah and belly dancer in the cockpit.  Silly

Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 20):
I'm affraid to say that MS is on my personal "no fly" list anyway. I cannot explain this, just an uncomfortable feeling. Same as Royal Air Maroc, Tunis Air, any of the non-Aeroflot Russians, any of the Chinese operators ... Definitely not the successor of Air Zaire either ... several others as well.

Hmm, I'm still very sorry that my plans to fly Tunisair to Monastir this summer didn't work out. As for "no-fly" list, it's everybody's personal decision, but most of the airlines you mentioned worked really hard to improve its safety record and they are doing a good job, Egyptair included.

Quoting Horus (Reply 21):
airline has gone leaps and bounds for the past few years to enhance its operations, upgrade its fleet and improve its network and onboard services.

Exactly my point. The only two problems I have with Egyptair is their fleet (too many aircraft types there) and their website. Will they change it?  hissyfit 



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5039 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
Don't worry. My lips are sealed and nobody will hear anything from me about sheeshah and belly dancer in the cockpit. Silly

Well I've got my finger over the "Ban Aleksander from A.net" button just in case you squeal... bigthumbsup 

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 23):
Exactly my point. The only two problems I have with Egyptair is their fleet (too many aircraft types there) and their website. Will they change it? hissyfit

Well I think the fleet is much more streamlined than in the 90s, and the A342s and B735s should be leaving before the end of the decade. As for the website, I wholeheartedly agree with you, it's a abysmal. A new one should be launched later this year.



Horus



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25 Post contains images Aleksandar : You're right. In 90s, fleet was more chaotic. Currently, if I were somebody in MS(which I am not), I would replace 342 with few more 772. It's not fa
26 Post contains images CaptinTuT : No to be honest, only 17 since the Pilot and the FO was smoking in the cockpit yup he always do the same poor Us.
27 Post contains images Aleksandar : Well, we can always teach him a lesson
28 Post contains images Horus : Tamam ya basha! Inta to2mor! Tislam ideek we 3ineek Well that's one of the rumours currently circulating. O well it seems the pilots have let the tea
29 Post contains images Aleksandar : Uncle Horus! Read my profile and call me granddad from now on
30 Post contains images Horus : --------------------------------- Zdravo деда Aleksandar Govorim malo srpski jezik довиђе&
31 CaptinTuT : Looks like he is looking for one :P OK Aleksandar, da vidimo da li ce shvatiti ovo. cini se da ga zaista treba poduciti srpski.. yea i would like to
32 Post contains images Aleksandar : Actually, it makes a lot of sense and it was perfectly written both in Latin and Cyrillic letters. To be honest, I have no idea. It will definitely d
33 Post contains images Horus : Il-misami7 Kareem Phew. I was just hoping I wouldn't insult anyone I'm a man of many talents I think JU have served CAI on a continuous year-round ba
34 Post contains images Aleksandar : Eh pa ovo je sada zaista iznenadjenje. Odakle si? Oh, and I very modest one . OK, here's a deal. I can easily teach you Cyrillic letters, if you give
35 Post contains images CaptinTuT : enta el Kareem bardo I'm from Egypt but my wife is Croatian and i asked her to help me with those words. TuT
36 Post contains images Aleksandar : Oh, I see now. For a moment, I thought you are originally from this region. Of course, I couldn't tell what part, but the word "poduciti" made me bel
37 CaptinTuT : Yea she always says that you all can understand each others with small differences Thanks and our Regards back She is From Pula. Sve najbolje iz New
38 Post contains images Aleksandar : Oh, from the beautiful Istra. I was there few times. Probably the most interesting part of Adriatic coastline with interesting landscapes and fascina
39 Post contains images CaptinTuT : Yup i do agree that Area is amazing, Relaxing and a very nice Touristic area i love the Arena there don't you I hope Next Year in MY Trip to Pula i w
40 Aleksandar : Of course, I do. In fact, I love Pula which my second favorite coastal city in Croatia. I hope you're wife won't be offended, but Dubrovnik is still
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