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Duluth Airport In The Year 2020 Or 2030  
User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

In 2020 or 2030 MSP will probably need a new airport if there is too much traffic at MSP. Duluth International Airport would probably expand. The new entrants at Duluth Airport could be Sun Country, NW, AC, Frontier, AA, CO (possibly), Airtran, and DL (possibly). I'm not saying that Duluth Airport should do this, but its just an idea of what would happen to Duluth Airport. Does anyone have any other ideas on what would happen to DLH in 2020 or 2030?


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
In 2020 or 2030 MSP will probably need a new airport if there is too much traffic at MSP. Duluth International Airport would probably expand.

Can you explain the logic of this? DLH is 144 some odd miles from MSP, with no great population center, unless you count the Yuppers (all ten of them Big grin ), and not in any great geographic position.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

I guess school is not back in session. No way AC, F9, and the likes would fly to Duluth. Wasn't about five years ago that AA's Eagle attempted service, and it was a disaster. Very doubtful that in 14 years DLH is grow much bigger than it is now.

User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

But the population of Duluth would probably grow. And if you lived in Duluth and you want to fly to NRT you would fly from DLH to MSP to NRT. If there was an expansion you could choose a different airline besides NW.


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User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1188 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4884 times:

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
In 2020 or 2030 MSP will probably need a new airport if there is too much traffic at MSP. Duluth International Airport would probably expand. The new entrants at Duluth Airport could be Sun Country, NW, AC, Frontier, AA, CO (possibly), Airtran, and DL (possibly).

I don't believe that all those airlines will be around 14 years from now. It's simply the nature of the business. I know little about Duluth, but like someone said it makes little sense given it's location.
This thread makes little sense to me.

FLY2LIM



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 3):
But the population of Duluth would probably grow.

Population, percent change, April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2003 -0.7%

Whoops, there goes another great theory.


User currently offlineSr22GTS From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4880 times:

If Duluth is going to expand it would be because of Cirrus needing more room. Cirrus jet factories?

User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4863 times:

What airlines would be gone by 2020 or 2030? Although AirTran might, But Sun Country would still probably be flying. Sun Country isn't like AirTran or F9.


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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2998 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Duluth in 2020?

D9S to MSP, of course!

Seriously, however, it's probably not going to be much different than it is today. Think back fourteen years to 1992, or 24 years to 1982 for that matter. Duluth has for decades supported one big airline. North Central / Republic / Northwest. On and off there has been the occasional second carrier, typically with some sort of ORD service. But it has been sporradicin spite of Duluth's best efforts to get additional service.

Nothing against Duluth, but frankly it is a relatively stable community. In the past few decades we've seen lots of chang in the industry. Local service airlines like North Central grew into big nationwide airlines. Commuters went from puddle jumpers to airlines flying large, sophisiticated aircraft. Mergers led to great consolidation. Code sharing turned regional flying upside down. Then the RJ came and turned it upside done again. And low-fare airlines have spread their reach in all sorts of directions. Yet through all this upheaval, Duluth's air service hasn't really varied all that much. If anything it has diminished a bit.

I just don't see Duluth seeing all that much change.


User currently offlineNorjet From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4706 times:

STC and RST would make much more sense given the growth pattern of the Twin Cities.

STC has a nice position relative to the North Star commuter rail line that will have made it into St. Cloud well before 2020... already a more convenient drive for much of Anoka County, plus all the development up in Cambridge.

And by 2020 it'll be one long developed strip along Hwy. 52. All those lovely shallow valleys will be chock full of subdivisions, Papa John's, and Caribou Coffees.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4694 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 5):
But the population of Duluth would probably grow.

What wheres Duluth Big grin



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User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 657 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4668 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 11):
What wheres Duluth

Its up by dah U Pee.



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User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

In mid 90s there's a talk of building another airport to replace MSP south of Twin Cities in Vermillion, I guess most people think current airport is big enough.

Quoting Norjet (Reply 10):
STC and RST would make much more sense given the growth pattern of the Twin Cities.

I live/work nearby RTS, while the current airport is small, it certainly can expand into mid size airport, it has 2 sets of runways, the area around the terminal is empty, and it's right by interstate 90. By they need to hurry up and build the infrastructure (roads, buildings, and other facilities for the airport) fast as both Rochester and Stewartville are growing, the current pace of urban sprawl means the boundary between Rochester and Stewartville would disappear in 10 years.


User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2521 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

Oh, I thought you guys were talking about Duluth, GA! Seriously, tho, I've been to the MN version and don't foresee much long term growth. NW provides enough service through its MSP hub. The handful of people wanting to fly to NRT would either pay the extra fare to connect or simply drive down to MSP themselves.


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4579 times:

Af773atmsp: Remember when they drew up plans for a second airport near Red Wing? Let's see. I was teaching 4th grade then. So it must be sometime around 1986. IIRC, it was deemed the best choice.

Mark


User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

I think I remember plans for a Red Wing Airport. I don't remember how many gates there was going to be or where it would be, but I remember.


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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

What? No WN at Duluth? I suppose it is too small to land the 767 or A330 you think they should buy to replace those pesky 737s they have now.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 7):
What airlines would be gone by 2020 or 2030? Although AirTran might, But Sun Country would still probably be flying. Sun Country isn't like AirTran or F9.

Remind me never to hire you as a financial planner. If you're going to throw out claims like these you better be able to back them up with proof.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 1):
Can you explain the logic of this? DLH is 144 some odd miles from MSP

Logic eludes this kid.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 2):
I guess school is not back in session.

Just a few more days and he'll be back in school.  Wink



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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3156 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4399 times:

Af773atmsp, I hold no responsibility for some of the jack**es who can't give you a civil reply, on this or your other queries. Still, my apologies. I wish I had this forum when I was your age. I would have posted all kinds of what ifs and possibilities. You continue to do so, and you'll learn. Your best replies will come from those knowledgable and willing to help you learn. Your worst replies appear to come from adults who still haven't matured past 7th grade. If only they could go back to school, too, to learn some decorum! Problem is, they're probably too thick to recognize themselves.

To give you an opinion on your Duluth question, Duluth is too far to benefit MSP. But, interestingly, the Twin Cities area is the second largest metro area in the country to only have one commercial (airline) airport. (Atlanta is the largest.) A reliever or secondary airport would not be inconsistent with other major metro areas.

-Rampart


User currently offline5mileBob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Af773atmsp, Agreed with Rampart, most of the people responding have some problems whenever any MSP subject comes up. Apparently they are all waiting (as the experts they are) for the demise of NWA. Just for added thought - a study was done some years ago for a new international aviation cargo hub. DLH was high on the list offering a large, uncongested airport with plenty of room to grow, a 24 hour radar approach control, plenty of available workers / workforce, Interstate highways that lead in all directions, a huge water port that would be able to ship tremendous amounts of cargo, several hours in airtime savings for flights to both Europe and the Orient, and several other pluses. Apparently two items doomed the study. Most experts in the industry don't know where DLH is, and of course, the winter wx. With Lake Superior closing (frozen solid) during the winter months, the huge cargo barges would not be able to take their cargo downstream.


Still looks like a Ramp Rat
User currently offlineBnamaxx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

Not bashing the thread starter's age, but do you really expect Sun Country to outlive Airtran or Frontier? Aside from snowbird flights and gambling junkets to Laughlin, they've never really exhibited an ability to do much more than be a very small niche player. Remember their attempts to offer multiple flights from major business destinations? They got killed and almost went C7. As for MSP, ever since I saw the movie "Airport" and realized that MSP was "Lincoln International", I've been reading about a new airport for that area. 30 years later it hasn't happened and I think even if NW survives, they're going to be a leaner company, thus MSP will probably have available gates. Sorry, but I think Duluth won't be seeing any NRT nonstops in our lifetime.

User currently offline5mileBob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

One more item, Af773atmstp, that study was done years ago. You should research that same idea using today's more efficent aircraft and the changes in icebreaker technology. It would make a great term paper and after all, FEDEX started out as a term paper idea by Fred Smith.


Still looks like a Ramp Rat
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Quoting Bnamaxx (Reply 19):
Aside from snowbird flights and gambling junkets to Laughlin, they've never really exhibited an ability to do much more than be a very small niche player

Although they are still heavy into winter snowbird flights, they're doing quite well with their year-round scheduled flights.

http://www.suncountry.com/suncountry...lightSched?thisPage=0&thisAction=0

Mark


User currently offline757dc10fltmech From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

As a native and current DLHer I have to put in my 2 cents. I would love to see more growth at DLH and it has been nice to see someone like G4 in here. In the last 27 years I have lived here (my whole life) terminal utilization has not changed enough to lead me to believe there would be a large influx by 2020.


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User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting Rampart (Reply 17):
A reliever or secondary airport would not be inconsistent with other major metro areas.

STP can take 737s and 320s. I've been kinda surprised they don't have another airport, but too much NIMBY.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Thread starter):
Duluth International Airport would probably expand.

STC has done some massive expansions. They added a control tower and are improving their runways. WN going into STC was a rumor I heard at one point.


User currently offlineBnamaxx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 21):
Although they are still heavy into winter snowbird flights, they're doing quite well with their year-round scheduled flights.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see SY do well. I do think they are better off in their current business plan rather than running a couple of flights daily up against NW in some markets. And hey, they have one of the coolest color schemes around.


User currently offlineN908AW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 943 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

Eek...kind of a big bump.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 12):
I live/work nearby RTS, while the current airport is small, it certainly can expand into mid size airport, it has 2 sets of runways, the area around the terminal is empty, and it's right by interstate 90. By they need to hurry up and build the infrastructure (roads, buildings, and other facilities for the airport) fast as both Rochester and Stewartville are growing, the current pace of urban sprawl means the boundary between Rochester and Stewartville would disappear in 10 years.

I live nearby as well. I've heard some pretty lofty plans for the 2010s...for a parallel runway (13R/31L) and a new midfield terminal between the two runways...the plans for infrastructure is definitely out there...we'll just have to wait for the master plan which is supposed to be completed this year or next.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 16):
What? No WN at Duluth? I suppose it is too small to land the 767 or A330 you think they should buy to replace those pesky 737s they have now.

Ever been to DLH? They have a 10,000'+ runway. In fact, somebody told me it was on a long list of Shuttle alternate landing spots. 69th or something. I've been there, they can pretty much handle everything. Duluth Air Show definitely benefits (i.e. the KC-135 landing/taking off as well as the FedEx A300 that was sitting on the tarmac).



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