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UA To Discontinue Some SAT Flying  
User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

dont know whos idea this is but as of sept 21st it looks like uax will discontinue the sat mini hub that was in joint venture with TRANS STATES. all the other routes out of sat will continue but sad to see it end so soon, wish they could have made a better effort to promote it.my bets are that trans states pulled the plug as they iirc bore more of the cost burden than ua did..wonder where they are going to put those birds now.


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User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4846 times:

I knew it wasn't going to last. One of the guys I worked with on the ramp in DEN transferred down there to become a supervisor. I think UA even paid for his move. I hope they don't have layoffs down there because of this.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4846 times:

I was more surpised they tried it than I am of them discontinuing it. Can't fault them for trying though.

User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22847 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4831 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Thread starter):
dont know whos idea this is but as of sept 21st it looks like uax will discontinue the sat mini hub that was in joint venture with TRANS STATES.

Hang on here, Captain. Wasn't that flying operated completely at-risk by TransStates? If so, the decision to discontinue service had nothing to do with UA.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2451 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4781 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
Hang on here, Captain. Wasn't that flying operated completely at-risk by TransStates? If so, the decision to discontinue service had nothing to do with UA.

Yes, it was all Trans States' idea and responsibility for these flights. They just happened to have the United Express name, etc attached.

It comes as no shock that these didn't last. At least to me.

Oh, and by the way, Cards rule!!!  Wink



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User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

Not a surprise at all... sad to see the services go but I didn't see the point in the first place.

User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Thread starter):
dont know whos idea this is but as of sept 21st it looks like uax will discontinue the sat mini hub that was in joint venture with TRANS STATES. all the other routes out of sat will continue but sad to see it end so soon, wish they could have made a better effort to promote it.my bets are that trans states pulled the plug as they iirc bore more of the cost burden than ua did..wonder where they are going to put those birds now.

Cubsrule,
first refer to me as el capitain..next time quote the whole thread and u will see that "iirc bore more of the cost burden than ua did"......ua paid for the ground handling and some fuel and minimal marketing at best......trans states paid for basically everything else....



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

The ill fated focus city was a result of some extremely poor route selection. Who in their right minds whould have thought that San Antonio-Omaha or Colorado Springs would be a profitable venture? Throw in Kansas City with a little YX competition and you have a lot of hopeless flights. Different cities probably could have meant a different fate.

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Thread starter):
wonder where they are going to put those birds now.

Not trying to be a homer, but maybe they'll try the same thing in St. Louis. There are several routes such as DTW, MCI, CLE etc. they could put those birds on with the AX banner and make a go of it.


User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 7):
Not trying to be a homer, but maybe they'll try the same thing in St. Louis. There are several routes such as DTW, MCI, CLE etc. they could put those birds on with the AX banner and make a go of it.

Might be the only way we see AA expand at STL..Not quite sure why these birds didn't go to STL to begin with as Trans States had to put RJ's on several previous J41 routes-- stretching the current fleet in utilization.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22847 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 4201 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 6):
next time quote the whole thread and u will see that "iirc bore more of the cost burden than ua did"......ua paid for the ground handling and some fuel and minimal marketing at best......trans states paid for basically everything else....

The point is that it's a touch misleading to say that UAex would discontinue the flying when it's really a TransStates (dba UAex) decision, but it's really a pedantic argument brought on by me being super-tired last night. I trust there are no hard feeligns.



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User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2893 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4000 times:

I feel kind of bad for San Antonio because this gives them a bit of a black eye. With a different approach I think some of these markets might be worth flying. But this SAT experiment had a lot of strikes against it that were not SAT's fault:

--Flights generally not timed for SAT business traffic
--Most markets were 1x/day which is almost pointless for business travel
--Multiple schedule changes in only a handful of months is a good way to disorient frequent traveles in these markets
--The United brand just isn't that big a pull in SAT

Were somone like American or Continental to add a couple of well-timed RJs on SAT-ABQ or SAT-MSY and stick with it, it would probably turn out differently. Now San Antonio just looks like it can't support point-to-point service.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2920 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

One train of thought is the local frequent flyer community. It's probably safe to assume most FF'rs in SAT are AA, WN or CO loyal fliers - so they probably had no qualms about making the connections in order to continue banking miles/segments than to switch to a few markets for UA. In addition, 1 fight daily isn't going to impact the market at all. If UA wanted to start a new focus city, they should have worked with a regional partner in a demographic they are stronger in, such as the west coast (PDX? GEG? BOI?) or midwest (MCI? OMA? DSM?), than to experiment with Texas. The same with TransStates - capitalize on your strengths.

Just my opinion, though.


User currently offlineClipper471 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3749 times:
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Their schedule as well as the website still have the flights well into October. What's up?

User currently offlineKnope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2893 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3680 times:

Quoting Clipper471 (Reply 12):
Their schedule as well as the website still have the flights well into October. What's up?

When I try to book SAT-MSY and SAT-ABQ for 10/12 on United.Com it only shows connections. Are you still seeing the nonstops actually for sale someplace? (Online timetables are are often not updated as quickly.)


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3519 times:

They're gone. Check http://timetables.oag.com/sat - from Sept. 21 on, the Trans States flights do not exist.


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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9324 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 8):
Not quite sure why these birds didn't go to STL to begin with

They're already done up and "dedicated" so to speak for the United Express fleet. They were simply moved to other flying station assignments as GoJets took over the ERJ routes Trans States was flying.

it will be interesting to see where these planes end up now.



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User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3243 times:

Here is an article on the Trans States/ UA Express pullbacks in SAT. Light passenger volumes, fuel costs and shortage of pilots are listed as reasons.

http://www.airportbusiness.com/artic.../article.jsp?siteSection=3&id=7882


User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3177 times:

Quoting STLGph (Reply 15):
it will be interesting to see where these planes end up now.

Would be nice to see a new domestic station opened up desparately needing more service  Wink I do agree with you, where are these birds going to end up. Obviously they all won't all be flying with a pilot shortage, but...a few should still be able to fly.


User currently offlineShanderawx From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2977 times:
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Maybe if UA tried to make a hub connecting people in SAT into Mexico on Mexicana, it would have eventually workjed.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32688 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

Quoting Shanderawx (Reply 18):
Maybe if UA tried to make a hub connecting people in SAT into Mexico on Mexicana, it would have eventually workjed.

UA and MX are not partners and have not been for a while.



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