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AY HEL-NRT - 4238 Nm With B752 Non-stop!  
User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15714 times:

Finnair website and Amadeus.net are showing that AY will fly to NRT 4 times per week with a B752 non-stop starting from Dec:

Finnair AY 73
HEL-NRT 17:20-09:55+1 (Tue)
HEL-NRT 17:20-10:00+1 (Thu, Sat, Sun)
Non-stop
752 9h35min / 9h40min

Finnair AY 74
NRT-HEL 11:55-15:10
Non-stop
752 10h15min (Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun)

(Right now the flight is twice per week with MD-11.)

I know AY is getting winglets for it's B752 charter fleet and it seems they are converting one of them to have J and a regular Y class, but how on earth can a B752 fly 10 hours non-stop?!

I was thinking earlier that AY might do this with JFK as they fly the charter version non-stop to YYZ, but NRT!!!


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User currently offlineAY104 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 505 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15656 times:

Wow! That is exciting, I guess partly because I used to work for Finnair. If anyone can make that work, it would be the Finns. I am biased, as I lived in Finland for 3 years, love the country and people.
I wonder what their configuration will be, and maybe an increased seat pitch in Y-class as well? This really does intrigue me.
I remember in the 70's Finnair used to fly from HEL to LAX/SFO/YVR nonstop on charters, not that surprising except that it was a DC8-62 Combi, the added weight of the reinforced cargo floor alone weighed a lot.
Anyway, I will be waiting eagerly for the inaugural, and see how it does. Surely that will be a first for the 757 that distance.
Terveisia and cheers,
Carl (Kalle - AY104)



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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15622 times:

Quoting AY104 (Reply 1):
If anyone can make that work, it would be the Finns

That so true.  Wink And this wouldn't be the first time AY would do something spectacular on the HEL-NRT route: when Japan granted the slots at NRT in the early 80's (right?), I don't think they knew the route would be a non-stop one since no-one was allowed to fly over the Soviet Union. What AY did was they added extra fuel tanks to DC-10-30 and flew the route over North Pole avoiding Soviet airspace all together. And that was the first Western Europe - Japan non-stop flight.


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User currently offlineVega From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 15603 times:

I believe those Finnair 757-200s have P&W engines. Even with those and winglets, I do not see how they can do it non-stop without weight reduction considerations - less passengers, less cargo, etc.. Also, will the 757 lavs support a 10 hour non-stop flight with a full house? It will be (very, very) interesting to see if they can make it without a fuel stop in Beijing or ? in the event they try it with a near full load. I wouldn't want to take that flight, but the Finns are a calm lot and used to Sardine packing. Keep us up to date on what happens.

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2956 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15455 times:

When NRT's second runway opened in 2002, rumor was that AY would use its 757s to increase its frequency from two to four weekly but because of the distance involved, it would tech stop in PEK.

Why doesn't AY allocate its A343 on the NRT-HEL because it would mean the A343 land on the shorter runway and take-off off the longer. This would effectively double the capacity available per week instead of a marginal increase with the 757.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15455 times:

HEL-NRT, 9h 30m in a 752 and 10h 15m back?!?!

Love AY but no way, thx. Give me MD-11 or 343 anytime on that route..

Micke//SWE  yuck 



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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15410 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 4):
Why doesn't AY allocate its A343 on the NRT-HEL because it would mean the A343 land on the shorter runway and take-off off the longer. This would effectively double the capacity available per week instead of a marginal increase with the 757.

Well until yesterday the route showed A343 starting from summer 2007 with twice weekly flights (as well as three times a week A343 to NGO). There is speculation on the Finnish aviation forum that this is just an error and it should be 4 times a week HEL-NRT-HEL with A343 and 2 times a week HEL-NGO-HEL with A343 (+ 1 weekly HEL-NGO-HEL with MD-11). Let's see...



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User currently offlineKilljoy From Finland, joined Dec 1999, 646 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15288 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 5):
HEL-NRT, 9h 30m in a 752 and 10h 15m back?!?!

Love AY but no way, thx. Give me MD-11 or 343 anytime on that route..

What's the problem if they're installing a normal seating configuration? The charter configured ones are horrible, I agree.

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 6):
There is speculation on the Finnish aviation forum that this is just an error

This makes more sense.

[Edited 2006-08-29 11:38:31]

User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 15175 times:

You'll see this kind of errors in a CRS from time to time. Some years ago, SAS 767-service FBU-EWR was listed as operated by a F-27 ...


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User currently offlineLPLAspotter From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 682 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15111 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 5):
Love AY but no way, thx. Give me MD-11 or 343 anytime on that route..

I just flew LIS-EWR on a 757 (CO) and that was enough. My sentiments exactly!
LPLAspotter



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8114 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15095 times:

I think this is a mistake, plain and simple. The 757 simply can't stay airborne that long without stopping somewhere to refuel. The flight times given preclude a hidden tech stop (you know when you see two "direct" flights listed eg YYZ-HKG, one of them is two hours longer than the other?) as well. Someone made a mistake, this will change to 340 or M11.


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User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14880 times:

so is this just a mistake by Finnair then?

User currently offlineSpottingpete93 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14828 times:

Is it actually scheduled for 10hrs? The reason I ask is that I have flown LHR - NRT in 10.5 hrs (this could well be a quicker than normal time) and HEL - NRT must surely be a good 2-3 hrs shorter.

HEL - NRT at aprox 7800km + is a seriously long way for a 757 but it could well be feasible if they are moving to a two class config and are adding weight restrictions and winglets.

Just another thought

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 10):
The flight times given preclude a hidden tech stop

Can a flight be marketed as a direct flight if it isn't non-stop?

I would say yes as you dont have to change aircraft or flt numbers so it is still the same flight even though it isnt non stop.

Any other comments regarding this thought.


User currently offlineNordiclight From Finland, joined Aug 2006, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14816 times:

I called to AY and they also confirmed that they will start to ops non stop HEL-NRT using B757-200. I think they will add additional fuel tanks in the plane. But they defenitly dont take any cargo o/b.

User currently offlineSocal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 14783 times:

Wow........ not much confidence in a 757-200. This airframe can do wonders.


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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14697 times:

Quoting Spottingpete93 (Reply 12):
Is it actually scheduled for 10hrs? The reason I ask is that I have flown LHR - NRT in 10.5 hrs (this could well be a quicker than normal time) and HEL - NRT must surely be a good 2-3 hrs shorter.

Only NRT-HEL is scheduled for 10 h 25 min, not HEL-NRT which is 9 h 35 min. Of course the actual time flying is shorter. I flew HEL-KIX in 8 h 55 min with AY MD-11.

Quoting Nordiclight (Reply 13):
I called to AY and they also confirmed that they will start to ops non stop HEL-NRT using B757-200.

Was the person who confirmed this someone who actually knows more about the operations (and not just AY booking agent)?



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User currently offlineLN-MOW From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14546 times:

From Boeing's website:

''For added reliability on ETOPS flights, the 757 is available with extended range features, including a backup hydraulic-motor generator and an auxiliary fan to cool equipment in the electronics bay. High-gross-weight versions of the aircraft can fly 4,500 statute miles (7,240 kilometers) nonstop with full passenger payload. ''

HEL-NRT is 4877 miles, which certainly makes it possible as Finnair will have less payload than Boeing's 240 pax calculation and in addition will have winglets, which improves the range with around 5%..

I do, however, find this as pushing the operational limits somewhat ... especially taking seasonal winds into consideration.

I still beleive this is a typo.



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User currently offlineElmoTheHobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14495 times:

It makes sense. AY can get Narita slots, just not for their MD-11s or A340s. After the opening of the second runway, a lot of slots for 767 and smaller aircraft were made available.

4800 miles+ does sound a bit nuts. I hear AA was trying to get its 757s up to 4000 miles range, and haven't got it to that point (I'm talking about reliably perform 4000 miles with headwind, not Boeing's 4000 miles with a tailwind and no cargo).


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14452 times:

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 17):
After the opening of the second runway, a lot of slots for 767 and smaller aircraft were made available.

Right, but:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 4):
Why doesn't AY allocate its A343 on the NRT-HEL because it would mean the A343 land on the shorter runway and take-off off the longer.

I'm getting more and more doubtful, since using A343 seems much more logical. OAG timetables don't show the B752 at the moment but they don't show the 4 per week ops either. And both Finnair.com and on-line travel agent websites are already selling the flight 4 days a week from Dec 2006.

On a personal note, I'm extremely happy that AY could finally get more slots at NRT since getting myself on the twice a week flight has proven quite tricky in the past. (I've made it only once on NRT-HEL, never HEL-NRT...)



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 42
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14436 times:

The 15 C-class seats mentioned on the Finnish discussion forum sounds ridiculously low as well for NRT.

I'd expect something like 10 rows (40 seats) of old M11 J seats with added recline and 60" pitch since the lie-flats are possibly very heavy.



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14415 times:

This I really have to see.

I hope we can get more definative details.

Though I wouldn't want to fly this route on a B752, it would probably be the longest B752 flight. How cool.

Good job AY.

Drew



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User currently offlineTUSflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 14036 times:

I wonder what their seat pitch is in Coach/Economy? As much as I love the 757, 9-10 hrs in one is NO vacation...

User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13821 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Thread starter):
but how on earth can a B752 fly 10 hours non-stop?!

Yet another thing this amazing aircraft can do.

Quoting TUSflyer (Reply 21):
I wonder what their seat pitch is in Coach/Economy? As much as I love the 757, 9-10 hrs in one is NO vacation...



Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 9):
Love AY but no way, thx. Give me MD-11 or 343 anytime on that route..

I just flew LIS-EWR on a 757 (CO) and that was enough. My sentiments exactly!

I just don't understand this point of view. You mean to tell me if you are sitting in identical seats (32" pitch, 18"wide) that you would be more comfortable on a widebody? I don't buy it.


User currently offlineVEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 13282 times:

North American shows a 757 from JFK-LOS, a distance of 5250nm, 373nm farther than HEL-NRT.

User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2708 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 12736 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 5):
HEL-NRT, 9h 30m in a 752 and 10h 15m back?!?!

Love AY but no way, thx. Give me MD-11 or 343 anytime on that route..



Quoting LPLAspotter (Reply 9):
I just flew LIS-EWR on a 757 (CO) and that was enough. My sentiments exactly!



Quoting KL808 (Reply 20):
Though I wouldn't want to fly this route on a B752, it would probably be the longest B752 flight.



Quoting TUSflyer (Reply 21):
As much as I love the 757, 9-10 hrs in one is NO vacation...



Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 22):
I just don't understand this point of view. You mean to tell me if you are sitting in identical seats (32" pitch, 18"wide) that you would be more comfortable on a widebody? I don't buy it.

I don't buy it either. Have you people ever been on an airplane? What is the general difference in passenger experience between a 757 and 747? You are generally stuck in the same size seat, next to the same size aisle and same size window. The only place that aisle will take you is to a bathroom that is generally the same size. The only difference is that the galley on the 747 is bigger, but the FAs get annoyed when you hang out in there anyway. You have been watching too many movies, there are no piano bars and sky lounges on the widebodies, and if there was, they could put one in the 757 too.


25 MAH4546 : That route is operated with a 763, not a 757.
26 PHKLM : A widebody gives you easier aisle access, more lavs, more space to walk around, less crammed cabin (it's easier to walk around with two aisles). Just
27 Andaman : I noticed the same news on Finnair's web site last night and thought it must be an error... so, can only wait and see. AY sure is creative... like DC-
28 VEEREF : oops, just rechecked it.
29 PavlovsDog : If true that would probably be the longest single-aisle flight in a non-all business class configuration. I believe Vladivostock Air has the current t
30 CPDC10-30 : Before LightSaber points it out, the PW engines on the 757 have better fuel burn than the RB.211s, so if there is any engine on the 757 that can do t
31 Ikramerica : A 747 doesn't give much better aisle access at 3-4-3, and the seat width is the same. Though I do like the experience of the 747 a bit better, boardi
32 Post contains images FiveMileFinal : Bigger is better, duh. I'm not a fan of taking a 75 across the Atlantic but I'll bet in a few years they'll be using 73s...
33 Post contains images Boeing Nut : You still have two crawl across one or two seats to get to it - just like a 757. Ratio of lavs to passengers is similar to the 757. Maybe, but these
34 N1120A : 4000 sm is already done on 752s all the time. You didn't add those numbers right. The 3900nm number is for 255,000 pounds with all engine options, bu
35 Flyboy_se : if the ticket prices are right then they will do ok. The HEL-NRT flight is 9h35 minutes. only 35 minutes longer then CO s ARN-EWR flight.I guess that
36 Post contains images Pawsleykat : I think the exact same thing. I flew with CO on EDI-EWR in March and although I love the 757, i didn't find it as comfy as the BA 777 I flew back to
37 Vega : 757 Winglets improve the Range by 100-200nm, not 5% - regardless of the flight distance. Fuel burn May be decreased by a maximunm of 5%.
38 Qantas787 : It all just comes down to cabin volume. In a wide body more cabin space eases the mind as far as claustrophobia is concerned. The size of seat and win
39 COERJ : Who would dare to challange CO to the 757-200 range limits? Jk... The Flight will be fine, it's not much longer than a CO flight from EWR-ARN or EWR-C
40 N1120A : ARN-EWR is against the wind, HEL-NRT is with the wind. Big difference
41 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : I agree, however, it is no longer in production...
42 FXMD11 : Just out of curiosity, could this service be something like the PrivatAir or Maxjet Service. Sort of an exclusive biz class flight? This is a questio
43 YULWinterSkies : Such as which routes? EWR-ARN is only 3930 statute miles. EWR-CPH is only 3867. Please, get your units right. EWR-ARN = 3930 US miles = 3415 nm. From
44 B707Stu : I don't think this is such a big deal considering we have A319's flying MXP-JFK nonstop. Over the pole, no big whoop.
45 Post contains images LN-MOW : True. But NRT-HEL is against the wind, as opposed to EWR-ARN, which is WITH the wind.
46 N1120A : I was off by 20 miles, which is statistically insignificant. EWR-TXL is 3980sm Um, point? We are talking about normal airplanes, not low density corp
47 Post contains images Warreng24 : Great circle mapper says: NRT-HEL is 4238nm On the other hand NRT-SEA is 4144nm Will we see SEA-NRT in a 752 anytime soon?
48 LN-MOW : If you compare apples and oranges, why not compare oranges ans apples too!
49 EVA777SEA : If they can do SEA-NRT profitably with A330s and 777s why would they downsize?
50 Post contains images UnitedTristar : I just pulled it up on orbitz...it is showing AY73 operating as an A340. Leave Tue, Dec 19 Finnair 73 Finnair Depart: 5:20pm Arrive: 9:55am Helsinki,
51 United787 : Good point. That would explain one of the reasons I prefer the 777 to the 747, because of the design of the overhead bins, the cabin volume appears l
52 Post contains links VEEREF : Actually I used the two distances on www.gc.kls2.com instead of the one at the top of the thread. But the Lagos flight is a 763 anyways.
53 Carpethead : Finally, a more realistic solution. It appears they will be adding a Tue/Wed in addtion to the current Wed/Thu & Sat/Sun flight. I wonder where the f
54 Max Q : I have flown the 757 and 767 for almost ten years now in F/O, and now the Captains seat. It is certainly possible to fly the 752 for ten hours. I have
55 Max Q : I should add, this was a long time before winglets!
56 UpperDeck79 : No chance, AY needs it Y pax. And it also shows the flight only twice a week, right? So it's showing what we knew for a long time already: NRT flight
57 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : ...and now they do on OAG.com... If this is a mistake, I sure hope AY would correct it before it gets more wide-spread "news"...
58 PHKLM : On a 757 1/3rd of the people have to pass 2 people, 1/3rd has to pass 1 and obviously the remaining 1/3rd has direct aisle access. Now on a 777 3-3-3
59 N1120A : LGW-CLE is only 3270nm, which is well within the 752's range band, particularly now with winglets.
60 Post contains links UpperDeck79 : By the way, AY just revealed that it will use at least one of its options on the A343 and will, already in 2008, have 7 x MD-11 and 5 x A343: http://w
61 Vfw614 : Although I would not rule out a simple mistake, what has been conveniently overlooked here is the slot issue. Because of the land rights problems and
62 LO231 : Galileo shows 343: MTWTFSS HELSINKI /TOKYO .2...6. HEL NRT 1720# 0955 AY 73 343 B If F/A's are blocking the aisle due to service, on a widebody both a
63 UpperDeck79 : For the third time: if the flight is shown only twice a week (on days 2 and 6 on this one) it's the old schedule and has no value in this wondering..
64 LN-MOW : IIRC Galileo loads its schedules Thursday mornings ... it will therefore show tomorrow. There has been created a seatplan for this version .. rows 1-5
65 Post contains images Boeing Nut : That still doesn't take away the fact that you have to climb over somebody to get to the isle - just like on a 757. If that's your arguement then it'
66 Max Q : Still air range is just that. LGW-CLE may be 'only' 3270 miles but strong headwinds can lengthen a flight significantly.
67 Andaman : " target=_blank>http://www.finnairgroup.com/group/gr....html That was interesting, four more A343s in two years will sure mean more expanding news. Th
68 N1120A : Only 3270nm. That is noticably shorter than several CO routes out of EWR that appeared before the winglets did
69 LordHowe : I really do not get it. Why would Finnair be planning to use 757-200 for NRT flights - if it is possible - why not Delhi flights which only take 6.5 t
70 UpperDeck79 : Why don't you read the thread before asking the same questions again? Answer: slot problem at NRT.
71 LO231 : It shows indeed....: MTWTFSS HELSINKI /TOKYO .2..... HEL NRT 1720# 0955 AY 73 752 B ...4.67 HEL NRT 1720# 1000 AY 73 752 B Regards, LO231
72 DABZF : Could it be that AY has just scheduled the flight to be 757 in the event no 340 will be available on the time the extended schedule is to be launched
73 UpperDeck79 : But they already have the A343, OH-LQA that is. Right now it's flying daily to PVG but will be on the Japanese flights from November when PVG will ge
74 ADXMatt : Well I ran a test flight plan using a B757-200W RB211 engines, full tanks 76,900# The random route with todays winds HEL-NRT 4306nm 09hr 26 min at LRC
75 LIPZ : It seems that AY will also send some 757s to some scheduled popular european destinations like Rome and Barcelona in addition to the usual 32Ss operat
76 UpperDeck79 : One more odd thing to suggest that this would not be a typo: The flight time of 9 h 35 min for HEL-NRT is not increased by 10 min in the timetable lik
77 BMED : Would be a strain for the cabin crew. Think of the food you would have to carry on board for a flight that long. Would be a full galley. Also what abo
78 UpperDeck79 : 10 h 30 min on Finnair if I remember correctly. All AY segments are under that.
79 WorldTraveler : 10 hours in the air on a PW powered 757 is very possible. Remember that 10 hrs 15 of block time is really about 9.45 in the air. Here’s the weight b
80 Andaman : Finnish business paper Kauppalehti says Finnair still tries to get two more slots in NRT for widebodies, hoping to start with four weekly slots in Dec
81 Carpethead : No, NRT is not doing that. It is trying to increase the use of the shorter runway. AY is welcome to use any aircraft like the single A343 it has on l
82 Jonno : This is a bit off-topic, but why did AY cease HEL - SEA?
83 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : Finally a resolution: Finnair.com is now showing A343 on the route starting from Dec 5th! And it's 4 per week as noted earlier. Was it a mistake? Not
84 HB-IWC : I can't possibly believe that the Japanese authorities would be so naive to be fooled by such tricks...
85 UpperDeck79 : I don't mean that anyone was trying to fool anyone... I just meant that maybe they didn't want to show it in the schedule until the deal was 100 % su
86 LordHowe : I'm pretty sure of that too. Besides AY told themselves to me - when I asked them - that the route is planned to be flown with 752. Very good indeed
87 Post contains links and images UpperDeck79 : It will be OH-LQA. The new ones will arrive in the spring. View Large View MediumPhoto © Sami Marttila (I was inside the plane when the photo wa
88 LordHowe : Finally today I got an answer from AY: They say that they never planned to use 757-220s on that route - it was just a schedule technical thing that th
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