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380 Testflight Quit: Technical Issues  
User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8763 times:

orf.at reports a 380 testflight had to return to base 34 minutes into the flight due to technical problems. No more info available by now.

anyone knows more?


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User currently offlineKnoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 259 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8752 times:
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Could not retract landing gear or something like that, was supposed to go to Tozeur in Tunisia for hot weather testing.


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8655 times:

PARIS (AP)--An Airbus A380 superjumbo test flight heading from France to the North African desert was cut short Tuesday as a precaution, the plane manufacturer said.

The jet was scheduled to fly to the airport of Tozeur-Nefta in southern Tunisia, but the pilot returned to the plane's base in Toulouse, France, soon after takeoff because of a "minor incident," said Airbus spokeswoman Anne Galabert. She declined to elaborate.

Galabert said the shortened flight was a "non-event" that received attention only because journalists waiting in Tunisia were disappointed when they learned they would not see the world's largest passenger plane.

The decision to turn back was "something that is completely normal in the testing phase," she said, adding that the flight will be rescheduled for a later date.

Five A380s have clocked more than 1,800 hours of test flights, she said.

The A380 program has been under close scrutiny since delays in the long-awaited superjumbo sent stock in parent company European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. tumbling more than 25% in June. They also led to a major management reshuffle at the Franco-German company, and customer and investor confidence was rattled.


http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20060829-704226.html

Each and every blip will be closely scrutinized by the media because of past dissembling by Airbus management...no more freebies.


User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1031 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8655 times:

thanks!

non event, as she said...



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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3476 posts, RR: 67
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7993 times:

Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
non event, as she said...

Except that it puts more pressure on the flight test schedule to complete certification and delivery by the end of 2006.

I suspect every A380 flight is now on the critical path.



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7776 times:

Airbus A380 test aircraft MSN004 forced to return to Toulouse on test flight after landing gear door sensor alert

Airbus has confirmed that one of its A380 test aircraft was forced to return from a test flight to Toulouse after a landing gear door sensor blocked its retraction...

"...The sensor sensed a mismatch in the position of the main landing gear doors," Airbus says. The incident did not involve Goodrich the landing gear itself. Engineers are inspecting the sensor to establish the cause...

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...est+flight+after+landing+gear.html

[Edited 2006-08-29 18:51:01]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
non event, as she said...

yes, but if you disappoint the press, they'll make anything an event!



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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7692 times:

..at least we now know that the small airport of Tozeur-Nefta is A380 compliant.... (3200 meter runway..)


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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3738 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

It's good that those glitches happen when still in the testing phase instead of being discovered when the a/c is in operational service.
It saves some money down the line by not having to solve the problems when several units are already flying with the airlines.

I doubt any airliner in development has ever made all of its certification test flights without ever having had to return to base for a minor problem.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 7):
..at least we now know that the small airport of Tozeur-Nefta is A380 compliant.... (3200 meter runway..)

Not that it'll be going there very often though...  Smile



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24912 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6410 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 8):
Not that it'll be going there very often though... Smile

Have you not heard? TunisAir are getting 3 x A380s to operate between Tunis and Tozeur-Nefta on a shuttle frequency  Wink  duck 



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User currently offlineBreiz From France, joined Mar 2005, 1915 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6323 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 2):
The jet was scheduled to fly to the airport of Tozeur-Nefta in southern Tunisia

Tozeur has been reported earlier as the location for high temperature tests.
But F-WWDD already went in July to Al Ain (UAE) for such tests.


User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4315 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6148 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 8):
I doubt any airliner in development has ever made all of its certification test flights without ever having had to return to base for a minor problem.

Even major problems. Check out an excerpt on an early 757 test flight...

One came during an icing test on the 757. The worst part of this test is waiting for the right conditions, when big storms come in off the Pacific and wet air blows up the side of the Cascade Mountains. That wet air gets colder and colder. Fly through that stuff and 3 to 4 inches of ice can quickly form on an airplane's skin, disrupting the airflow.

The plane is in its landing configuration, with gear and wing flaps down.

On this 757 flight, Higgins was flying about 1,000 feet above the mountains and the jet was picking up a lot of ice when the two engines red-lined and the plane began shaking.

"I decided it was time to get out of there," Higgins said.

But at that moment the flight test engineer on the plane came rushing up to the cockpit and told Higgins icing conditions were perfect and to keep the jet exactly where it was.

"No," Higgins told him, "we are getting out of this."

He told his co-pilot to radio air traffic control and get immediate clearance to climb. A controller denied the request, saying there was a plane above them.

Higgins told the co-pilot to tell the controller they were going up. Now.

He gave the plane power, but it wouldn't climb. The engines were making a strange noise.

Because of all the ice on the plane, Higgins had not wanted to raise the landing gear or retract the flaps, fearing something would break. But now he had no choice.

The 757 slowly began to climb out of the ice, but power on one engine had to be reduced to idle.

Later, when the 757 was safely back on the runway, Higgins inspected the engine. The ice had caused severe damage to the fan blades and other parts.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/272028_testpilot30.html



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 11):
Even major problems. Check out an excerpt on an early 757 test flight...

This does not correlate.

The A380 had a sensor malfunction just like any jet might, even once it is certified.

This 757 report was what they were actually testing for, and conditions got worse than they wanted very quickly. It was not a malfunction, but the purpose of the test!

The A380 had some interesting days up in it's cold weather trials too, with parts freezing together and preventing tests, etc. It's just a part of testing, and why they do it, right?



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8060 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6008 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
This 757 report was what they were actually testing for, and conditions got worse than they wanted very quickly. It was not a malfunction, but the purpose of the test!

True, but shows how hairy testing can get. For a real classic, how about the 747-100 out over the Pacific in late 1969 on a test flight when someone spilt their coffee on the centre panel and killed all the nav gear, leaving them completely lost. Of course, they just put the compass on E until they came into range of land-based VORs, but still, effectively lost, decades before TCAS. I don't know but I'd bet the production 747 has lots of cupholders.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8664 posts, RR: 15
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

I hope the A380 makes it out to Tunisia soon. What a sight it will be for people who live there.

MCOflyer.



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User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1232 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 12):
This does not correlate.

The A380 had a sensor malfunction just like any jet might, even once it is certified.

This 757 report was what they were actually testing for, and conditions got worse than they wanted very quickly. It was not a malfunction, but the purpose of the test!

The A380 had some interesting days up in it's cold weather trials too, with parts freezing together and preventing tests, etc. It's just a part of testing, and why they do it, right?

Well, I thought it was an interesting story! Thanks for sharing it.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

How long before all of the airlines start cancelling their orders spelling the end of the 380 and then Airbus?  stirthepot   duck 

User currently offlineAeroplan73 From Canada, joined May 2006, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3749 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 16):
How long before all of the airlines start cancelling their orders spelling the end of the 380 and then Airbus?

Around the same time Boeing realizes that the 787 should have been built in the US.  Big grin  duck 



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

Non-event! Shouldn't take much time to get the plane on the way to N. Africa.

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User currently offlineBluewhale18210 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 13):
I don't know but I'd bet the production 747 has lots of cupholders.

One on each side, I believe. I'll double check next time I got into the cockpit. And lots of spring pen/pencil holders.



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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9978 posts, RR: 96
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2197 times:
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Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):
Airbus A380 test aircraft MSN004 forced to return to Toulouse on test flight after landing gear door sensor alert

Isn't this similar to/same as the sensor fault that resulted in the very first few A380 flights being conducted with the landing gear down last year?

Regards


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 20):
Isn't this similar to/same as the sensor fault that resulted in the very first few A380 flights being conducted with the landing gear down last year?

wondered about the same thing, first flight also had a ldg sensor fault

anyway not a big problem, otherwise it wouldn't be in the air again next day



User currently offlineHalibut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1386 times:

http://english.bna.bh/?ID=49644


Airbus-380 test flight to Tunisia postponed

date: 29 08, 2006


Tunis, Aug. 29, (BNA) Tunisian Airport Authorities announced here on Tuesday that a test flight for Airbus 380 passenger plane to Nefta International Airport in the southwest of Tunisia was postponed to an unspecified date due to technical failure.
The Tunisian News Agency reported on the Commander of Nefta Airport as saying that the plane coming from Toulouse was supposed to land at the airport at 9 a.m. today but nothing as such happened, adding that the airport was notified on flight delay at about 7 a.m. and then informed about the postponement of the flight to an unspecified date.


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