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Croatia Airlines Rumored To Get CRJ-900s...  
User currently onlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5009 times:
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... among other things. Given the types they wanted to order in the past, OU would by now have had the most diverse fleet on the planet  biggrin .

On a serious note, as reported by an on-line business/economy journal (link in Croatian here), sources close to OU have reported that the company is "intensely considering" buying some regional jets. The same sources, though unnamed, say that negotiations with Bombardier for four CRJ-900 are already underway. The OU PR department didn't offer any clarification ("no comments at this time").

It remains to be seen what, if anything, will come out of this deal. Four new planes for an 11-strong fleet might significantly boost capacity and lighten the strain on many routes, as well as opening new ones. The article mentioned that the RJs would be used on short and medium haul routes, which would fit with domestic and nearby destination (ZRH for example)... but we'll have to wait and see.


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4955 times:

Hmmmm, interesting, apparently JAT is still going ahead with CRJ-900 purchase as well - to be announced shortly apparently.

I wonder if JU and OU approached Bombardier together and got a better price?



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4902 times:

Quoting TripleDelta (Thread starter):
negotiations with Bombardier for four CRJ-900 are already underway.

It is interesting. CRJ-900 would fit nicely between ATR-42 and A319. The good thing about possible purchase of CRJ-900 is that OU can count on technical support of Lufthansa.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 1):
I wonder if JU and OU approached Bombardier together and got a better price?

I doubt it.  Sad Although it would have been a nice business move.

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 1):
JAT is still going ahead with CRJ-900 purchase as well

If they asked me, CRJ-900 is what JAT needs, but their general menager is constantly repeating they need 70-seater. Somehow, I'm still afraid that they might go for CRJ-700 and have regional jets of the same capacity as ATR-72.

On a funnier note, I just wonder what would delivery scheme look like?  scared 

Interestingly, with MAT already operating CRJ-900, and JU and OU as possible buyers of the type, we might have a true successor of famous DC-9 in the region.



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User currently offlineBigSky123 From Slovenia, joined Dec 2005, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4868 times:

Seems like the CRJ900 will become a popular plane in the Adriatic area. Adria Airways (JP) is also considering getting at least two of them in the not so distant future, according to uncomfirmed rumours. They are also looking at the A319, but as I understand it, they concluded it is simply to heavy for the routes they fly (mostly short-haul). I think it's too bad Adria didn't consider the ERJ-195, since it's a much more comfortable plane to fly in. I guess it's because JP also operates a Bombardier maintenance center, which is becoming an imporant part of their revenues and going Embraer wouldn't be exactly constructive for their business relations with the Canadian company.

[Edited 2006-08-29 18:46:56]

[Edited 2006-08-29 18:48:04]

[Edited 2006-08-29 18:49:16]

User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4837 times:
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Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 2):
If they asked me, CRJ-900 is what JAT needs, but their general menager is constantly repeating they need 70-seater.

Then they can buy both  Smile The CR7 and CR9 share 90% commonality, if not more now that they use the same engine - when the engine reaches its numbers on the CR9 it can be installed on the CR7 and fly derated for 2,000-3,000 more hours...

Also, with Adria Airways having a BBD tech-centre and LH Cityline being quite an expert on CRJs as well there's plenty of support.

I think Bombardier's future success with CRJs lie in Europe. Hopefully they think so too and send their best marketing and sales people over here...



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4798 times:

Quoting BigSky123 (Reply 3):
Seems like the CRJ900 will become a popular plane in the Adriatic area.

So, DC-9 will have a successor. I believe, you also rememeber how many DC-9s of JAT and Adria were there around.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4):
Then they can buy both

I'm not sure they would need both. ATR-72s are doing their job just fine and what seems like the biggest problem is the lack of plane of the size of DC-9-32. Although not exactly the same category, CRJ-900 seems just fine for thinner European routes.

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 4):
Hopefully they think so too and send their best marketing and sales people over here...

Bombardier delegation visited Belgrade and JAT recently and so did Embraer.



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 2):
they asked me, CRJ-900 is what JAT needs, but their general menager is constantly repeating they need 70-seater. Somehow, I'm still afraid that they might go for CRJ-700 and have regional jets of the same capacity as ATR-72.

Possible but I think they got a much better offer for the CR9 than the CR7.



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4790 times:

Quoting BigSky123 (Reply 3):
They are also looking at the A319

JP badly needs good refurbishments of their A320's - even better, new aircraft! I thought that JAT's 733's interiors were bad, that's until I discovered that JP's were about the same.



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 6):
Possible but I think they got a much better offer for the CR9 than the CR7.

I hope so. The problem is that all they are talking about is 70-seater and CR9 is bigger than that. Of course, one can never trust "aviation experts" either from JAT or from our media. Big grin

Oh, BTW, two days ago LH used one to BEG. I saw it from my window. Really elegant bird.



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User currently onlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4763 times:
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Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 2):
The good thing about possible purchase of CRJ-900 is that OU can count on technical support of Lufthansa.



Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 2):
nterestingly, with MAT already operating CRJ-900

Two of the reasons why is OU looking at the CRJ900 in the first place:

- LH can take pretty good care of them, and the MX departments of both LH and OU have always had a tight relationship (LH trains OU mechs, OU does some checks and outfitting for LH)

- according to the article, MAT got its three for $86 million, which is, as far as I get it, pretty cheap, so OU of course tried to strike a similar deal for itself...



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 9):
MAT got its three for $86 million, which is, as far as I get it, pretty cheap

Yes, but one of them is not new. In fact, it is one of the prototypes.



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User currently onlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4641 times:
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Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 10):
In fact, it is one of the prototypes.

The inflight announcement for that one will probably pass well with the pax: "Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard this MAT prototype CRJ-900."  bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineMig21UMD From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

Might be a good time to send OU my resume  Smile

TripleDelta, thanks for posting this news. It is always nice to read new news regarding Croatia Airlines.



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User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4490 times:

Does OU have any plans on retiring the ATR-42's any time soon?


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User currently onlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4445 times:
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Quoting CB777 (Reply 13):
Does OU have any plans on retiring the ATR-42's any time soon?

So far, no. There have been rumors going around for awhile now that once the [insert aircraft type] arrives, the ATRs are going to be relegated to cargo duties - not a drastic shift in itself, since two out of the existing three are quick-change versions anyway. I think this first came up when OU wanted to order brand new ATR-72s to replace the ageing -42s.

[Edited 2006-08-31 20:41:05]


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User currently onlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4439 times:
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Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 12):
Might be a good time to send OU my resume

In a related story, OU is looking for five captains and first officers for the A319/320 fleet...



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 11):
"Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard this MAT prototype CRJ-900."

Hahaha, good one, I can see the following announcement, "Welcome aboard this MAT experimental CRJ-900" Big grin Big grin



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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 16):
"Welcome aboard this MAT experimental CRJ-900"

"....Which means we'll perform experiments on you, dear passengers, during this flight."  Silly



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User currently offlineMig21UMD From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 15):
In a related story, OU is looking for five captains and first officers for the A319/320 fleet...

TripleDelta, thanks again.

I would like to know what Croatia Airlines pilots are payed? If anyone has any idea please tell base rate for Captains and FO's?

I'm guessing TripleDelta that you might know  crossfingers  Smile.

Thanks again
Tomislav



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User currently offlineCB777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

Any other news for OU for next year 2007, maybe bigger airplanes? or any new routes?

CB777


User currently onlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4217 times:
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Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 18):
I would like to know what Croatia Airlines pilots are payed? If anyone has any idea please tell base rate for Captains and FO's?

While I personally do not have any concrete numbers (I can hazard a few I've heard over the years, but I can not pin down any specific number), OU pilots (and core aviation personnel in general - mx, ATC, ...) are among the best paid people in the country, according to a study from a year or so back. While they do not bask in riches, OU aircrew are quite a bit above the Croatian standard.

Quoting CB777 (Reply 19):
Any other news for OU for next year 2007, maybe bigger airplanes? or any new routes?

Apart from the actual CRJ-900 deal, I personally haven't picked up anything interesting - apart from the usual frequent flyer and holiday pack deals. Judging by media reports, OU has for a time now been focusing on smaller aircraft (AT72, CJ9), with possibilities of them opening new short- to medium-haul routes, or increasing frequencies on existing ones. The afore mentioned cargo services with AT42s may actually start when new aircraft arrive to replace the 42s.

EDIT: typos... forgot to hit the spellcheck button...

[Edited 2006-09-01 22:00:06]


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User currently offlineMig21UMD From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4162 times:

Cheers TripleDelta.

I look forward to hearing you give me clearance to land at Zagreb Pleso. hyper 

CB777, this is from Croatia Airlines web site.

Question Does Croatia Airlines plan to establish direct flights to and from the USA in the near future?
Answer At the time being we are not planning to establish direct and charter flights to the USA, for commercial reasons. Although we are well aware of a large number of our immigrants who live in the USA, Croatia can be reached via larger European cities (Munich, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Paris, Rome etc.). Croatia Airlines is an airline with middle range aircraft and, in order to establish a connection with North American cities, Croatia Airlines would have to change its fleet, which is not its present plan. Please note that several departments within Croatia Airlines, the government authorities of the Ministry of the Sea, Tourism, Transport and Development, as well as the government authorities of the state of arrival decide upon establishment of a new route. The decision depends on the regulatory rules of the countries involved, the flight schedule and other factors.

It would be great to see OU flights to the US and Australia especially now would be a good time to take advantage of Austrian Airlines pull out of the Australia market next year where already a large number of pax on these flights were flying onto Croatia, for in Australia in the Croatian community it was advertised as the main airline to use to fly to Croatia and many Croatian did use it.

OU could learn from Lauda and set up the operation in a similar way which by all reports was said to be a profitable route sector for them. It was not until Austrian Airlines took over and apparently there model proved to be unprofitable on the Australian sectors.



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User currently offlineMig21UMD From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 269 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4161 times:

BTW the last two paragraphs were my own input not OU.


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User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Quoting Mig21UMD (Reply 21):
It would be great to see OU flights to the US and Australia

Yes, it would be great, but I can't see it in the future. Without a doubt, OU could have full planes during high season to the US, but it is well-known that it is not enough to have profits. For that, you need a high-yield passengers and to attract them, you need to invest a lot of money. At the moment, OU and JP did a good job joining the Star Alliance.

As for Australia service, it seems interesting, but it is actually a hell where only the richest players could survive. The main problem there is difficult to be solved. Flights are too long and airline needs more planes to keep that service. Speaking of Lauda/Austrian, I think Lauda started to feel problems on this route in their last days as an independent airline.



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User currently onlineTripleDelta From Croatia, joined Jul 2004, 1123 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4121 times:
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There are other things to consider as well when starting long-haul services. It's not as simple as buying a plane and having it fly that route - you'd also need a backup plane if the main one goes u/s, as well as a backup crew(s). If you don't, the whole deal will make much more of a loss than any gain, since you loose the pax run, while at the same time having a huge mx bill and tying the only plane down from flying other routes.

The way I personally see it, you either have several widebodies, or none. But then, having two or three such aircraft is way out of the budget of a company that has been making a profit for only two of its 14 years of existence. It would be great to see a 747 or A340 in OU colors (heck, it'd be great to see a Concorde in OU colors  bigthumbsup  ), but the size of the market, not to mention the load of competitors who have a much more developed long-haul infrastructure and experience, make the whole thing unfeasible in OU's eyes. The "Croatian company flying the route" factor would probably not make up for inferior service, frequencies and inevitably higher prices.



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25 Aleksandar : You know, for as long as I live, I will remember those early morning arrivals of DC-10s and 707s and I'd love to see planes from Far East and Austral
26 Mig21UMD : It would be special to see an airliner from the region back in Sydney again. It is unfortunate that with the cost of running an airline continues to i
27 Aleksandar : You are absolutely right here, but things are changing. Government seems sick and tired of JAT and in the last few weeks talks about finding a strate
28 CB777 : Doesnt OU have 6 A320's types on option? If I remember correctly back in 1997 the original airbus order was 6 confirmed which are now delivered and 6
29 TripleDelta : OU is not far above the general airline mentality of the region. They've finally made a profit (despite rising fuel costs) and the last thing they'd
30 CB777 : I guess the A321 would be too big for their routes? CB777
31 Post contains images Adria : But the DCs were comfortable compared to the CRJ-900. JP will probably go for the CRJs and for sure this will again be a mistake (after the CRJ-200,
32 Aleksandar : They were, but the market has changed and the only other option is Embraer. Now, Adria is already operating CRJ200 so it will be a logical step to ad
33 CRJ900 : I second that. With LJU in the middle of Europe, most destinations are, what, 1-2 hours away? Perfect for the Q300 and Q400, with CRJ700 and CRJ900 f
34 Aleksandar : Exactly my point. If Luxair could change their mind, why Adria can't?
35 Aleksandar : Also, having geographic position longer CRJs are much better fit for OU than JP and OU can really add more frequencies with such planes on routes from
36 Adria : A Q400 is a good option but an unlikely one. They probably won't go back to props (but they should). I really wonder what they'll do but it seems tha
37 Aleksandar : They should look at Luxair who was in similar situation. Sold their Fokker 50, bought some Embraers and made losses. Now, after that ordeal, they are
38 TripleDelta : It appears so. On some routes you can hardly fill up the A320, so while the A321 would be useful on some high density routes that are often packed, t
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