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User currently offlineSK736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 528 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11976 times:
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It looks like all the window shades are closed - why would this be?

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User currently offlineAgpatel From United States of America, joined May 2008, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11970 times:

To keep the heat out? Or it just got back from cleaning or service...?


-AnK
User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11970 times:

Shy passengers.... Big grin

User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11940 times:

CIA charter perhaps...?  duck 

User currently offlineJetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11861 times:

When I flew into LGB last week they asked everyone on the left side to close their shades to keep the heat out because it was a hot day and in LGB they don't turn on the AC until after take off to get a more powerful take off. So maybe no one was on it and they were taxing it around.

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User currently offlineFL1TPA From United States of America, joined May 2004, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11799 times:

It's standard practice now at FL to ask customers to open air vents above thier seats and lower the window shades before they leave to help keep the aircraft cool. Especially while on the ground here in Hotlanta.

AA also does the same on thier flights. It's more of a fuel saving measure than for comfort. If the aircraft is parked at a gate that has external air conditioning, the apu can be shut down to conserve fuel.

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User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

Is there any chance that it is carrying cargo instead of passengers?

User currently offlineTbnist03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 106 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11698 times:

I wouldn't think a cargo company would spend an extravagant about of money on a livery. Even with FX, and their "Panda One" livery, it wasn't over the top, just a special decal or something on the side.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.



-Mike
User currently offlineSpruit From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11650 times:

Could be a delivery flight as it's still 'N' (November) registered? Just a thought!


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy767 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 664 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11581 times:

Quoting Tbnist03 (Reply 7):
I wouldn't think a cargo company would spend an extravagant about of money on a livery. Even with FX, and their "Panda One" livery, it wasn't over the top, just a special decal or something on the side.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Wait, what does that have to do with the thread topic.  confused 

In terms of the shades being closed, its unlikely that it would be to keep the heat out as it seems pretty cloudy that day. As to any alternate explanation, I have none.

Cheers from BDL,  wave 
DeltaGuy767



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User currently offlineJoffie From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 812 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11297 times:

Quoting Spruit (Reply 8):
Could be a delivery flight as it's still 'N' (November) registered? Just a thought!

Thats what I was thinking...however it is an airbus, so it would be F registered.

This looks to be the first A330 for Vietnam Airlines, cause I cannot find any info on other 330's.

I reckon it is a delivery flight for this aircraft, however I dont think it is a brand new plane.


User currently offlineKSUpilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11283 times:

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 3):
CIA charter perhaps...?

That is great!  Smile


User currently offlineTbnist03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 106 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11247 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy767 (Reply 9):
Quoting Tbnist03 (Reply 7):
I wouldn't think a cargo company would spend an extravagant about of money on a livery. Even with FX, and their "Panda One" livery, it wasn't over the top, just a special decal or something on the side.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Wait, what does that have to do with the thread topic. confused



Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 6):
Is there any chance that it is carrying cargo instead of passengers?

I guess I should have quoted the above response, but I assumed people would just draw the conclusions. Sorry.



-Mike
User currently offlineMoose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2354 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11176 times:

Quoting Spruit (Reply 8):
Could be a delivery flight as it's still 'N' (November) registered? Just a thought!

It's on lease - registered to "CASTLE 2003-2H LLC" in Delaware.



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User currently offlineJAFA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 782 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11145 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 4):
When I flew into LGB last week they asked everyone on the left side to close their shades to keep the heat out because it was a hot day and in LGB they don't turn on the AC until after take off to get a more powerful take off. So maybe no one was on it and they were taxing it around.

Shades are lowered for only one reason, to keep the aircraft cooler when parked in the sun on a hot day. We all know that aircraft cabins can get very hot when parked in the sun on hot days.
In my ten+ years as a FA, I can tell you for sure NO aircraft type I have been qualified on leaves the air off to get a more powerful takeoff.


User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11114 times:

Quoting FA" class=quote target=_blank>JAFA (Reply 14):
In my ten+ years as a FA, I can tell you for sure NO aircraft type I have been qualified on leaves the air off to get a more powerful takeoff.

This is actually done though on the older aircraft with the lower bypass type JT8 engines, but automatically by valves in the engine...something like the 13 stage valve on the compressor section of the engine where the airconditioning gets the air for compression and airconditioning. When the throttles go forward the airconditioning does get put on hold for awhile until the takeoff sequence has finished.
As far as the newer aircraft with the higher bypass Stage III type engines, this happens a little differently and the a/c continues to operate as the aircraft are equipped with an Air Cycle machine system. To complicate to explain though.

[Edited 2006-08-30 05:40:22]

[Edited 2006-08-30 05:44:21]


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User currently offlineVref5 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11055 times:

Quoting FA" class=quote target=_blank>JAFA (Reply 14):
In my ten+ years as a FA, I can tell you for sure NO aircraft type I have been qualified on leaves the air off to get a more powerful takeoff.

Perhaps he was thinking of operators that turns off some of the air packs (but not all, for passenger comfort) for engine start.

For instance, the B747-400 has three air packs, and you can turn two of them off for engine start and even left off for takeoff, and then turn them on after takeoff and gear+flap retraction.

Some operators do this; some don't. It's an optional procedure. Some operators may elect to turn off some packs for engine start but turn all back on prior to takeoff.

Don't know of an operator where it's SOP to turn all packs off, though.

Not as familiar with aircraft other than the 744.


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10908 times:

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 15):
This is actually done though on the older aircraft with the lower bypass type JT8 engines, but automatically by valves in the engine...something like the 13 stage valve on the compressor section of the engine where the airconditioning gets the air for compression and airconditioning. When the throttles go forward the airconditioning does get put on hold for awhile until the takeoff sequence has finished.
As far as the newer aircraft with the higher bypass Stage III type engines, this happens a little differently and the a/c continues to operate as the aircraft are equipped with an Air Cycle machine system. To complicate to explain though.

This is kind of true. The 13th stage bleeds do close when the thrust is advanced for takeoff. The 13th stage air is only used for a/c and pressurization to supplement the relatively low pressure coming from the 8th stage while at low thrust on the ground. Once the engines spool the pressure comes up and the 13th stage is no longer needed. The 8th stage still provides bleed air for pressurization unless you physically close them for enhanced performance, however this is not normal practice.

Years ago I flew the BAe-3200 and we would take off unpressurized in them. Those things were so underpowered that if you lost an engine with the packs on the bleed would rob too much power and kill your ability to climb on one engine. Also, in the CRJ if you have the engine or wing anti-ice on the bleed would be too much for the 10th stage to also be provided for the packs. So, the procedure is to close the 10th stage bleeds and pressurize off of the APU until after flap retraction.

727forever



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User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10846 times:

Quoting 727forever (Reply 17):
This is kind of true. The 13th stage bleeds do close when the thrust is advanced for takeoff. The 13th stage air is only used for a/c and pressurization to supplement the relatively low pressure coming from the 8th stage while at low thrust on the ground. Once the engines spool the pressure comes up and the 13th stage is no longer needed. The 8th stage still provides bleed air for pressurization unless you physically close them for enhanced performance, however this is not normal practice.

Years ago I flew the BAe-3200 and we would take off unpressurized in them. Those things were so underpowered that if you lost an engine with the packs on the bleed would rob too much power and kill your ability to climb on one engine. Also, in the CRJ if you have the engine or wing anti-ice on the bleed would be too much for the 10th stage to also be provided for the packs. So, the procedure is to close the 10th stage bleeds and pressurize off of the APU until after flap retraction.

727forever

I knew it was something like that but not having worked on a 727,DC-9,etc. in years, I've forgot some of it, like the 8th stage section. I knew that the pressurization part doesn't stop unless you REALLY spool them up! Like a single engine go around.
Thanks for the refresher!

Not familiar at all with the BAE and the CRJ.


CHeers!
amazonphil



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User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10835 times:

No sweat. I tend to remember mundane details like this.

Take care.

727forever



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User currently offlineAmazonphil From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 561 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10827 times:

the 727-200Adv is my all time favorite airliner by the way!

Nothing classier in the sky!



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User currently offlineTimePilot From Switzerland, joined Sep 2005, 296 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10815 times:

Quoting JetBlueAtJFK (Reply 4):
When I flew into LGB last week they asked everyone on the left side to close their shades to keep the heat out ...

I had the same thing in Boston when I got in on 8.4. It was 100? out that day, and on top of that we were 10 minutes early so we sat on the apron waiting for a gate to open, with all the shades down.


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10740 times:

Quoting SK736 (Thread starter):
It looks like all the window shades are closed - why would this be?

It's the newest addition to VN's fleet (ex CS-TQF). It hasn't been delivered yet. It just came out of the paintshop at ZRH.
see also: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/2961503/


User currently offlineBluewhale18210 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 237 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10715 times:

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 15):
As far as the newer aircraft with the higher bypass Stage III type engines, this happens a little differently and the a/c continues to operate as the aircraft are equipped with an Air Cycle machine system. To complicate to explain though.

I've run into instances where B744 had to do this to use MAX T/O on a shorter runway. PW4060s.

Quoting Vref5 (Reply 16):
Don't know of an operator where it's SOP to turn all packs off, though.

Not as familiar with aircraft other than the 744.

At least not with CI. Once we had a full load (872,000lbs, MAX T/O) and LAX's RWY 25R was closed. We had to use 25L to takeoff and the tradeoff for the 1,000ft differences was 5,000lbs in takeoff weight. (867,000lbs MAX). Instead of offloading 5,000lbs of PAX bags (which will drive everyone insane), operations came up with the runway analysis for A/C pack off operation and it was something close to 872,000lbs T/O on 11,000ft of RWY, and the Captain accepted it. That's the only instances where I know we turn off A/C for takeoff.



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User currently offlineI530j From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7829 times:

Northwest does that with DC-9's on both flights they asked us to close the shades on both sides because the plane gets really hot they say.

Cheers,
JK



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25 Post contains images Leezyjet : And as an f/a you are qualified to fly it ???. If you look in the performance manuals for take off, they will quote speeds and power settings to be u
26 HBJZA : I can assure everyone that it's everything but keeping the hot out ! We're having a very very bad and cold summer in Switzerland. At least since the b
27 Oldtimer : Quoting 727forever Whats a BAe3200? Thanks Oldtimer
28 Post contains links 727forever : BAe3200 is a Super "Duper" Jetstream. http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...27&prev_id=0170116&next_id=0137996
29 Post contains links and images NZ560 : And here she is the next day: View Large View MediumPhoto © Propfreak And still with all the shades pulled down.
30 Oldtimer : Thanks 727forever, having worked at BAe during the 80's and 90's I had never heard it called the 3200 (see below), I assume you mean the 32EP. Never w
31 Stirling : I think it is one of the early builds. As far as I can tell, this aircraft has also been with Air Luxor and LTU. Perfectly good explanation for the d
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