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User currently offlineYYCowboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

Can anyone explain the details on Canadian / American open skies agreement, and how it will change North American air travel as we know it? Will this allow Canadian carriers to fill any voids left IF a major US carrier fails?

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

It really isn't a big deal. The only major new thing it allows is that US and Canadian airlines now have unlimited 5th freedom from the US and Canada, pending agreements reached with the third party country. So far, Air Canada has announced YYZ-LAX-HNL and is considering YYZ-MIA-JNB. That's about all we've seen.

It isn't that big of a deal because even before Open Skies, the air treaty was still extremely liberal, and Canadian airlines could still get 5th freedom from the US, as AC has on HNL-SYD (and previously HNL-MEL).


User currently offlineFlyb From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

From my understanding this will be good for cargo especially. I don't see to many US carriers doing something like a ORD-YWG-YXE route.

User currently offlineTravelin man From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3370 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
So far, Air Canada has announced YYZ-LAX-HNL

YYZ-LAX-SYD?


User currently offlineBnamaxx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3359 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 3):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
So far, Air Canada has announced YYZ-LAX-HNL

YYZ-LAX-SYD?

Ditto - I thought it was YYZ-LAX-SYD too on a T7?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Yes, sorry. YYZ-LAX-SYD.

User currently offlineBnamaxx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Which brings up another question that's probably been here before - is YVR-SYD not economically viable since they have 345's and will be getting the T7's? Seems like they flew it (at least eastbound) nonstop for a while.

User currently offlineYYCowboy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

I always wondered about YVR - SYD, non stop, seems like a natural.

Back to my origional question on open skies, I was pondering another thread, regarding the fate of MSP and perhaps DTW without NW, and could see AC or WJ filling a gap there, maybe. Given NW current Canadian routes, the folks in MSP would have an option, both international and domestic.

Any thoughts?


User currently offlineFlyb From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

That would be an interesting hub for Air Canada if we had "true" open skies with the United States. I would think that another US carrier would probably jump on this before AC would for numerous reasons. Personally I don't see NWA going under, I see them maybe merging with another airline very shortly.

User currently offlineAirCanada014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

Don't forget the 5th freedom takes effective in Sept 2006. So who's next to offer the 5th freedom from Canada or the USA ?

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