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User currently offlineYYCowboy From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 147 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Can anyone explain the details on Canadian / American open skies agreement, and how it will change North American air travel as we know it? Will this allow Canadian carriers to fill any voids left IF a major US carrier fails?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

It really isn't a big deal. The only major new thing it allows is that US and Canadian airlines now have unlimited 5th freedom from the US and Canada, pending agreements reached with the third party country. So far, Air Canada has announced YYZ-LAX-HNL and is considering YYZ-MIA-JNB. That's about all we've seen.

It isn't that big of a deal because even before Open Skies, the air treaty was still extremely liberal, and Canadian airlines could still get 5th freedom from the US, as AC has on HNL-SYD (and previously HNL-MEL).



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User currently offlineFlyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

From my understanding this will be good for cargo especially. I don't see to many US carriers doing something like a ORD-YWG-YXE route.

User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
So far, Air Canada has announced YYZ-LAX-HNL

YYZ-LAX-SYD?


User currently offlineBnamaxx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2516 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 3):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 1):
So far, Air Canada has announced YYZ-LAX-HNL

YYZ-LAX-SYD?

Ditto - I thought it was YYZ-LAX-SYD too on a T7?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32602 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Yes, sorry. YYZ-LAX-SYD.


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User currently offlineBnamaxx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

Which brings up another question that's probably been here before - is YVR-SYD not economically viable since they have 345's and will be getting the T7's? Seems like they flew it (at least eastbound) nonstop for a while.

User currently offlineYYCowboy From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 147 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

I always wondered about YVR - SYD, non stop, seems like a natural.

Back to my origional question on open skies, I was pondering another thread, regarding the fate of MSP and perhaps DTW without NW, and could see AC or WJ filling a gap there, maybe. Given NW current Canadian routes, the folks in MSP would have an option, both international and domestic.

Any thoughts?



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User currently offlineFlyb From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

That would be an interesting hub for Air Canada if we had "true" open skies with the United States. I would think that another US carrier would probably jump on this before AC would for numerous reasons. Personally I don't see NWA going under, I see them maybe merging with another airline very shortly.

User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Don't forget the 5th freedom takes effective in Sept 2006. So who's next to offer the 5th freedom from Canada or the USA ?

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