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WHY KLM 691 Delay  
User currently offlineKl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

Hello, it is been awhile but was traveling through europe. anyways I was I have been trackin KL691 and KL692 and I notice that it was over an hour late coming into toronto and also the KL692 is also arriving late at AMS. Does anyone have a information as of why this delays.
Thanks in advance


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

Possibly weather in AMS? I know that's been the main delays I've encountered when travelling in and out of AMS.


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User currently offlineLxlgu From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

691 was delayed yesterday due to technical and then a missing
checked in passenger

692 was delayed yesterday due to the late arrival of the aircraft as
well as technical

Cheers!
Tony


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4731 times:

KLM's longhaul operation was in complete disarray yesterday, with a couple of long delays and a cancellation, something which hardly ever happens at KL.

To start the day with a B772ER got stuck in NBO because the airport was closed due to an AI A310 blocking the runway. KL566 was first delayed and then postponed 24 hours as the crew went over legal duty. Apart from that, KLM was suffering multiple technical problems with the B744 and MD11 fleet.

Here are some of the outcomes in the longhaul network:

* KL661/662 AMS IAH AMS cancelled due to lack of available B74E equipment ;
* KL587/588 AMS LOS AMS delayed 2 hours because of MD11 difficulties ;
* KL691/692 AMS YYZ AMS delayed because of technical problems with the B744 ;
* KL671/672 AMS YUL AMS delayed 3.5 hours because of no MD11 available and equipment change to B772 ;
* KL681/682 AMS YVR AMS delayed 4 hours because of MD11 technical problems ;
* KL887/888 AMS HKG AMS delayed 1.5 hours because of B74E problems and aircraft change ;
* KL553/554 AMS CAI AMS delayed 3.5 hours because of MD11 technical problems ;

These delays are likely to have knock on effects in the longhaul network for at least a day or two.


User currently offlinePHKLM From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Dec 2005, 1198 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):

These delays are likely to have knock on effects in the longhaul network for at least a day or two.

You still didn't convince them to get rid of those MD-11's ASAP?  stirthepot 


User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 810 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4597 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 4):
You still didn't convince them to get rid of those MD-11's ASAP?

Exactly my thoughts.
There's almost not a day that passes by without some MD11 going technical
at KLM, yet they desperately want to hold on to those birds for years to come
and even embarked on a extensive refurbishing-campaign on the fleet.
I'm baffled, and ask myself why oh why?????????????,


User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Quoting Kl692 (Thread starter):
I have been trackin KL691 and KL692 and I notice that it was over an hour late coming into toronto and also the KL692 is also arriving late at AMS.

If KL691 is delayed >1hr, the return (KL692) will be delayed as well (of course). Delays less than 1 hr can be made up in the air or by speeding up the turn-around. KL usually has minimum groundtime at outstations.


User currently offlineKl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4311 times:

thanks all for the response. I hope the do something about those MD-11's, even though i will love to fly in one of them. I am going to ACC (Accra Ghana) later on this year and I think they do fly the MD-11 there.
Peace



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 4):
You still didn't convince them to get rid of those MD-11's ASAP?



Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 5):
There's almost not a day that passes by without some MD11 going technical
at KLM, yet they desperately want to hold on to those birds for years to come
and even embarked on a extensive refurbishing-campaign on the fleet.
I'm baffled, and ask myself why oh why?????????????,



Quoting Kl692 (Reply 7):
I hope the do something about those MD-11's, even though i will love to fly in one of them. I am going to ACC (Accra Ghana) later on this year and I think they do fly the MD-11 there.

Well, the 10-strong MD11 fleet has its technical issues, and its dispatch reliability is lower than some of the other longhaul components in the KLM fleet, but then the aircraft is doing a good job serving the markets it currently serves, so I still don't think KLM made the wrong decision to hold on to the triholers for another couple of years.

After the retrofit is completed, the MD11 will become more than ever the holiday aircraft within the KLM fleet, and will be deployed to such destinations as CUR, AUA, BON, SXM, UIO, GYE, PBM, DAR and JRO, which carry less punctuality sensitive business traffic, so I believe KLM made the right decision to look for a renewed role for its fleet component with lower dispatch reliability in the leirsure like markets.

As for the ACC flights, they are currently operated with the B772ER, whereas LOS sees the MD11. For the winter, the aircraft will be swapped with ACC receiving the MD11 and LOS operated by the B772ER.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4143 times:

Those of you interested in KLM's operations might be interested to know that today's KL691 AMS YYZ left AMS 4.5 hours late because of technical issues with the B744 full pax which was supposed to operate the flight.

User currently offlineKl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

it looks last week was a bad week for KLM however they have been on this week so I guess they have got theirself together over that AMS. But I just don't understand why such a big airline KL don't have a spare bird just incase of something like what they went through last week.


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User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

Quoting Kl692 (Reply 10):
But I just don't understand why such a big airline KL don't have a spare bird just incase of something like what they went through last week.

Usually there is a spare aircraft available, this is published on the KL intranet site (log-in only for staff)the day before. Problem is that there is no spare aircraft for every type they fly. The B737 is usually no problem, but the B747 full pax is another story, KL only has 5 of them. (PH-BFA, BFB, BFH, BFG and BFL)

Currently KL started the refurbishment of the B747 AND MD11, so less aircraft available in daily ops.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Quoting SK601 (Reply 11):
but the B747 full pax is another story, KL only has 5 of them. (PH-BFA, BFB, BFH, BFG and BFL)

You forgot PH-BFN, so the total stands at 6, and sure enough, there is not always B744 spare capacity available, so in case on goes technical at AMS or arrives late, delays are inevitable.

Quoting SK601 (Reply 11):
Currently KL started the refurbishment of the B747 AND MD11, so less aircraft available in daily ops

Still, KLM has catered for the retrofit of the B747s and MD11s by reducing the overall amount of flying. When the MD11 was taken off the YVR route last week and replaced by the A332 after a fifth A332 frame had been delivered, the MD11 was not assigned to a new route in order to cater for the MD11 retrofit program which should have started by now.


User currently offlineKl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

I spoke too early, KL 691 Arrive at YYZ 4 hours later today (9-08-06) any info on this delay.


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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3754 times:

Quoting Kl692 (Reply 13):
I spoke too early, KL 691 Arrive at YYZ 4 hours later today (9-08-06) any info on this delay.

The problem is always the same: instability of the 6-strong B744 full pax fleet. This subfleet is really too small to operate any kind of stable operation with the kind of high utilization rates that KLM is looking for. As the YYZ flight is leaving after B744s to JNB, PBM and the Caribbean, flight KL691 is the most susceptible to delays because any kind of irregularity in the B744 operation.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3584 times:

The flight is again 2.5 hours late out of AMS today. Same problem again: B744 full pax issues. I guess the on time performance of KL691/692 will only improve with the onset of the winter timetable, when KLM will operate the B772 into YYZ.

User currently offlineKl692 From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 15):
The flight is again 2.5 hours late out of AMS today. Same problem again: B744 full pax issues. I guess the on time performance of KL691/692 will only improve with the onset of the winter timetable, when KLM will operate the B772 into YYZ.

thanks I was about to ask why it was late but you beat me to it, however flightview.com shows that the KL691 took off around 2:30pm which is somewhat normal for that flight but yet it arrive about 2 hours late. was it a mid air problem?



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