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North Atlantic Diversion Airports  
User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6706 times:

Just a short question: What are the diversion airports for Widebodies on route from Europe to North America or vv. between Iceland and Labrador/Newfoundland? How many airports in Greenland can handle a widebody?

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User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6703 times:

Keflavic is commonly used.

[Edited 2006-08-30 10:40:38]


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User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6649 times:

I was more interested about the airports between KEF in the east and YQX, YYT and YYR in the west, the ones in Greenland

User currently offlineDrP From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 280 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6626 times:

I believe Sonde Stromfjord (SFJ) is the only airport in Greenland that can handle widebody a/c  Smile


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6599 times:

What about Kangerlussaq (spelling?)


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User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6570 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 4):
What about Kangerlussaq (spelling?)

Kangerlussaq is SFJ!


User currently offlineCumulus From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1402 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6547 times:

Quoting FraT (Reply 2):
I was more interested about the airports between KEF in the east and YQX

Sorry!



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

Quoting FraT (Reply 5):
Kangerlussaq is SFJ!

Never realised it was also called Sonde Stromfjord  Embarrassment



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6529 times:

Thule Air Base (THU) features a 9997 ft runway, but I am not sure if it would be open to commercial diversions.
-HT

EDIT:
Added from wikipedia.org:
Kangerlussuaq Airport (IATA: SFJ, ICAO: BGSF), also known as Søndre Strømfjord Airport, is located in Kangerlussuaq (Danish name: Søndre Strømfjord), Greenland. It is the only civilian airport in Greenland large enough to handle large airliners. Consequently, it is the international hub for Air Greenland.

[Edited 2006-08-30 12:48:27]


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User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

What about Glasgow Prestwick and Glasgow? ive seen NW /AA divert to GLA!

User currently offlineFXRA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 711 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

I've used Sondestrom (the other name is harder to pronounce), Thule if you are way north (along with Fro Bay in Canada - CYFB). I've also used Narsarsuak (UAK/BGBW) for narrow bodies going over, just to get them within the required time (we were using non ETOPS aircraft with only 60 minutes from a suitable)


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User currently offlineJamesjoyce From Belgium, joined May 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 6442 times:

Quoting FXRA (Reply 10):
I've used Sondestrom (the other name is harder to pronounce), Thule if you are way north (along with Fro Bay in Canada - CYFB). I've also used Narsarsuak (UAK/BGBW) for narrow bodies going over, just to get them within the required time (we were using non ETOPS aircraft with only 60 minutes from a suitable)

SAS used to take their DC8-series-60 direct from Copenhagen into Narsarsuaq so the runway has some potential though it is not that extremely long. I seem to remember the cockpit-crews had to be specifically certified to fly DC-8-60-ies into that airport with captain in control, no landings nor take-off by FO.


User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

Quoting FXRA (Reply 10):
I've used Sondestrom (the other name is harder to pronounce),

The other (official inuit) name Kangerlussuaq is roughly pronounced as Kanger-loo-soo-ack.


How about this one in Northern Quebec: Kangiqsuallujjuaq. The village's english name is George River.

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
Thule Air Base (THU) features a 9997 ft runway, but I am not sure if it would be open to commercial diversions.

It would be in the event of an emergency. Every now and then First Air and Cdn. North have done commerical-military charters up to THU.

Churchill Manitoba can handle widebody diversions. AF diverted there a couple of years ago, except YYQ didn't have any ground equipment (i.e airstairs) capable of handling a B772. The emergency slides had to be deployed in order for the pax to deplane. I wonder if the ground equipment problem there has been fixed?


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6902 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

For aircraft flying from Europe to the eastern US and Canada, no airport in Greenland is needed as long as they have at least 138-minute ETOPS and the other alternates (KEF, BDA, Azores, SNN, Newfoundland) are available.

User currently offlineAVIATOR27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

NARSSARSSUAQ, GREENLAND (DENMARK) - BGBW
KEFLAVIK, ICELAND - BIFK
GOOSE BAY, NEWFOUNDLAND, CANADA - CYYR
STORNOWAY, SCOTLAND, UK - EGPO

ETOPS isn't just over water. You need ETOPS over land also. You have to be within your ETOPS limitation (90, 120, 180 mins, etc) of any airport regardless of geography. Twins normally come certified with a 60 min limit. ETOPS extends that beyond 60 mins.


User currently offlineGAIsweetGAI From Norway, joined Jul 2006, 934 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6080 times:

Quoting AVIATOR27 (Reply 14):
KEFLAVIK, ICELAND - BIFK

That's actually BIKF.



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6044 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 8):
Thule Air Base (THU) features a 9997 ft runway, but I am not sure if it would be open to commercial diversions.
-HT



Quoting YOW (Reply 12):
It would be in the event of an emergency. Every now and then First Air and Cdn. North have done commerical-military charters up to THU.

Keep in mind Thule/Qaanaaq is VERY VERY far north, out of any sort of emergency diversion zone for most Europe-USA/Canada flights (except maybe SEA-CPH) types of flights. Most flights that even pass over Greenland pass over the very southern tip (which is absolutely beautiful from the sky, I must say)

[Edited 2006-08-31 05:15:40]

User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5995 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 16):
Europe-USA/Canada flights (except maybe SEA-CPH)

Actually the flight from CPH to SEA usually flies further north than the eastbound flight ...

Quoting SW733 (Reply 16):
Greenland pass over the very southern tip (which is absolutely beautiful from the sky, I must say)

Copy that !
I have had stunning views of Greenland on flights from FRA/MUC to LAX !
Clear views of glaciers reaching fjords and subsequently numerous icebergs in the water !
I'll need to dig for some pictures of this ...
-HT



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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5917 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 17):
Copy that !
I have had stunning views of Greenland on flights from FRA/MUC to LAX !
Clear views of glaciers reaching fjords and subsequently numerous icebergs in the water !
I'll need to dig for some pictures of this ...

Last time I saw Greenland with any clear view was January when I flew DUB-ORD...the pilot said if you look out the right side window, you can see Greenland for the next 15 minutes, and all I thought was "there's no Greeland, just clouds..." until I noticed the "clouds" had mountain peaks. Beautiful! I would love to go, my grandpa was stationed there during WWq...is it true Air Greenland is starting flights to BWI in May 2007?


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