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Ryanair To Allow Passengers To Use Mobile Phones  
User currently onlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5481 times:
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Ryanair in OnAir deal for in-flight mobiles

August 30, 2006 10:46

Ryanair has agreed a deal with communications joint venture OnAir to fit its aircraft with technology to allow passengers to use their mobile phones on planes.

Ryanair said in a statement today that it would install the system on its entire fleet of Boeing 737 aircraft from mid-2007.

'Ryanair's passengers will be able to call, text and e-mail using their mobile phones, BlackBerrys and Treos at rates which will mirror international roaming charges,' the airline said.

Users will be charged by their mobile service providers on their monthly bills and Ryanair will receive a commission from OnAir, it said.

OnAir is a joint venture between planemaker Airbus and information technology systems provider SITA. Its ground network will be provided by Monaco Telecom.

From: http://www.rte.ie/business/2006/0830/ryanair.html?rss

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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5439 times:

Oh no... That is going to be hell, stuck on a plane with someone yapping down their phone constantly... chavs texting non stop before ringing someone for an utterly pointless conversation.


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User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 1):

Yeh but the worst thing is, is when people almost shout into there phone because they want everyone to hear how important they are.

Bad idea

Rgds --James--



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineJamesjoyce From Belgium, joined May 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5360 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 2):
Yeh but the worst thing is, is when people almost shout into there phone because they want everyone to hear how important they are.

Bad idea

It depends ... Ryanair makes more money on added services than by flying, which is why their rates are that low. Aviation for them is about to become a marketing tool to sell other services, a way to reach customers as it seems.

It will contradict many but if I can fly a Charleroi-Shannon for €10 round-trip (excl. tax) then I don't really care. Have you also considered the phone-rates BTW when using such a mobile-cell in a plane? The ordinary traveller will do it once, then get the bill, and not do it anymore.

On the other hand, there goes the mistery on "not using your cell-phones" in flight. Once the airline makes money on it, it's OK. So what is it about all the hogwash we were served about electronic navigation equipment being disturbed?


User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5360 times:

Now it is a bus service, still wouldnt expect anything less from these bunch of clowns


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User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

"Guess where I'm calling you from right now!!!"  biggrin 

x 100 on one single flight... boggled 



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9524 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5286 times:

Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 3):
On the other hand, there goes the mistery on "not using your cell-phones" in flight. Once the airline makes money on it, it's OK. So what is it about all the hogwash we were served about electronic navigation equipment being disturbed?



Quoting EI787 (Thread starter):
Ryanair has agreed a deal with communications joint venture OnAir to fit its aircraft with technology to allow passengers to use their mobile phones on planes.


User currently offline777 From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 514 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5277 times:

Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 3):
On the other hand, there goes the mystery on "not using your cell-phones" in flight. Once the airline makes money on it, it's OK. So what is it about all the hogwash we were served about electronic navigation equipment being disturbed?

That's not totally true: with the OnAir equipment your cell phone will be disallowed to search any other networks and will be forced to be connected with the GSM antenna installed onboard.
This means that your cell phone (and the other dozens present on board) will spend a minimum level of its energy to maintain the link with the signal, so that it will not interfere with the avionics onboard.

Anyway I can better understand the choice of RyanAir to allow the GSM on board than the similar choice made by Air France: if I'm a low cost traveller maybe I could accept to have an informal and quite messy environment during the flight, but if I'm a business traveller flying with AF....


User currently onlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5266 times:
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Press Release from FR:

Quote:
RYANAIR ANNOUNCES IN FLIGHT MOBILE ACCESS FOR ALL PASSENGERS

New venture with communications pioneer OnAir will enable Ryanair’s 42M passengers to keep in touch on all flights

INFLIGHT PHONE SEAT SALE 1M SEATS - DIAL £9.99!

Ryanair, Europe’s largest low fares airline, and OnAir, the leading onboard passenger communications provider, today (30th Aug) announced a deal that will see Ryanair’s entire fleet of Boeing 737 aircraft fitted with OnAir’s onboard mobile communications solution. The announcement will make Ryanair the first European airline to offer Europe-wide mobile telephony services during flights across its entire fleet of aircraft to all passengers via their own mobile phones and smartphones.

The deal means that from mid 2007 (subject to relevant regulatory approval) Ryanair’s passengers will be able to call, text and e-mail using their mobile phones, BlackBerrys™ and Treos™ at rates which will mirror international roaming charges. OnAir intend to fit 50 Ryanair aircraft during the second half of 2007, with the remainder of the fleet receiving installations from early 2008 onwards. Mobile OnAir will be offered on all Ryanair flights across Ryanair’s network of more than 360 routes serving 23 countries across Europe. Ryanair will be the first European airline to offer this mobile telephony to all passengers on all of its 200 plus aircraft fleet.

Developed by inflight communications specialist OnAir, Mobile OnAir uses advanced lightweight onboard technology to allow passengers to make and receive calls, exchange SMS messages and connect to e-mail via satellite broadband links and a ground network to be supplied by OnAir’s telecoms infrastructure partner, Monaco Telecom.

OnAir’s solution allows mobile phone operators to charge passengers using Mobile OnAir at rates in line with current international roaming charges on passengers’ normal monthly bills. Ryanair will receive a commission from OnAir on call revenues generated by passengers on board its aircraft.

Announcing the new service initiative, Ryanair’s CEO Michael O’Leary said:

“This is another revolutionary passenger service initiative from Ryanair. In addition to offering our customers the lowest air fares and youngest fleet of aircraft, Ryanair will soon enable passengers to use their mobile phones and electronic communications devices in the air, just as they do on the ground. That means they will be able to pass on the good news to workmates, friends and family that they are travelling on another on-time flight with Europe’s most punctual airline.

“This is a win-win for Ryanair, OnAir and most importantly our customers. The revenues generated by onboard mobile telephony will reduce our costs and help us to keep offering the lowest fares in Europe while at the same time doubling the size of our operation over the next five years as we grow to carry 80M passengers annually by 2012. To celebrate this new service, we are offering 1M seats from the UK to Europe for just £9.99*. Passengers should dial up their low fare seats immediately on www.ryanair.com as fares this low will not last long”.

George Cooper, CEO of OnAir, added:

“We are delighted that Ryanair is to become the first carrier to install Mobile OnAir throughout its fleet. Not only is Ryanair one of the world’s most innovative airlines, but the deal is also a strong endorsement of the all round capability of our solution for both Boeing and Airbus aircraft”.

*taxes and charges excluded


User currently offlineSv2008 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5173 times:

Will people be charged for recieving messages though, and phone calls?

User currently offlineSpruit From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5144 times:

Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 9):
Will people be charged for recieving messages though, and phone calls?

Yes of course, international roaming charges you and the person calling you for txt's and voice!

Personnaly I think it's a disaster, the only place you could get away from corny crazy f*****g frog ringtones and self important people who have no volume control on their voices will soon be a thing of the past!

What's next, the Quiet Class Cabin on the A380/787 it's gonna take more than a flimsy curtain to keep it all out! ???

Spru!



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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5134 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

All they gotta do now is start selling ear plugs for all the folks sick of listening to people yapping away or their phones ringing. Double the income!


That'll teach you
User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4928 times:

The BBC is carrying it too:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5298332.stm

One more reason not to fly them... as if I didn't have enough already...

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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4837 times:

Well, this was bound to happen, and if it means even lower fares, why should you care? People yak into phones in commuter trains, Ryanair runs a 'commuter plane' service, why should you care?


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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4631 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 13):
People yak into phones in commuter trains

I hate trains, I hate Ryanair!

Perfect match  Smile



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User currently offlineFlamedude707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4610 times:

Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 3):
On the other hand, there goes the mistery on "not using your cell-phones" in flight. Once the airline makes money on it, it's OK. So what is it about all the hogwash we were served about electronic navigation equipment being disturbed?

A Discovery Channell Show in the US proved that certain typs of cell phone
waves do affect navigation equipment. Plus, they alsostated that the FAA did not allow them to try their experiment in the air. It was tried on a makeshift cockpit with all the equipment, and stated was that if enough radio waves are emitted at one time, it could reallyscrew things up.



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User currently offlineEKGOLD From Australia, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4572 times:

One word...... iPod..... maybe just one or two more clicks on the volume control now Big grin

User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9274 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4539 times:

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 16):
One word...... iPod..... maybe just one or two more clicks on the volume control now Big grin

what seems to be the problem? At the rates they are charging, you won't find too many people using their cellphones and if they do, they keep it rather short.

Whereas, if you may sit next to a bunch of people chatting all the way through the flight. The worst possible thing however that can happen to you, and on an FR flight it is more likely, you have some moron sitting next to you with an iPOD beating his brains out with something that I would not call "music".



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4121 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 14):
I hate trains, I hate Ryanair!

Perfect match

 Yeah sure

Quoting EZYAirbus (Reply 4):
Now it is a bus service,

The days of 'luxury flying' are long gone. If you don't like it, I suggest you get on to Gulfstream or Dassault.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 13):
Well, this was bound to happen, and if it means even lower fares, why should you care? People yak into phones in commuter trains, Ryanair runs a 'commuter plane' service, why should you care?

Exactly - I was on a rush hour train out of London yesterday, having a good conversation with a friend, while the other guy in the compartment was doing the same. Not everybody shouts into their phone, and not everybody has a problem with it.

While I'm not exactly thrilled to bits with the idea, if it means potentially lower fares, then why not?


User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2880 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

I think this sounds like a great idea to be honest. And if you are that bothered with people talking on the phone; just sheild yourself with a MP3 player or something. After all it´s not 12hr long haul flights we´re talking about here..

User currently offlineJdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 351 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4387 times:

Quoting Spruit (Reply 10):
Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 9):
Will people be charged for recieving messages though, and phone calls?

Yes of course, international roaming charges you and the person calling you for txt's and voice!

Usually when you are "roaming" you pay the "international bit" of a received call (the caller is dialing the same number and he can't know if you are away) but usually you don't pay any extra for Receive a Txt.

Cheers
JD


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

'I'm going on mi 'olleyday, the plane is going to Marcia and then we are gettin' a bus to Benidorm, will be out wiv mi mates tonight'

How many will pay extra to avoid this kind of annoying drivel?

[Edited 2006-08-31 17:17:27]

User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

How long until the first in flight brawl breaks out over cell phone usage? We should start a pool.


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User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

Quoting Richardw (Reply 21):
'I'm going on mi 'olleyday, the plane is going to Marcia and then we are gettin' a bus to Benidorm, will be out wiv mi mates tonight'

 rotfl 

Now, couldn't you just imagine Vicky Pollard on RyanAir yacking away into her phone?



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User currently offlineVS239 From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2006, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4116 times:

Just charge the users 20 Euros a minute and see how many people use their phones.

Having said that, how will Ryanair advertise the charges? Something like

"All mobile phones can be used FREE* of charge"

(in a much smaller font)
* Subject to a Euro 20 connection fee per minute or part thereof, minimum 2 minutes.



Who...me??
25 Johnnybgoode : as long as there is legislation that prevents cell phones from being used inflight, no airline will indeed be able to allow this. e.g. in Germany, it
26 Pe@rson : It IS possible because they are to install special transmitters and technology so that mobile phones can be used while not interferring with the airc
27 Post contains links BHXFAOTIPYYC : From the London Times How An Airline Can Give Tickets Away - And Still Make A Fortune
28 Pe@rson : Johnnybgoode: It was clearly stated in the first larger paragraph in the copy-and-pasted article:
29 Post contains images Vega9000 : The real problem is not the actual talking. Most people speak at a normal tone of voice when they make a call, and the loud people talk loud with thei
30 Johnnybgoode : this technology needs to be approved first and legislation must be amended. until this happends, FR won't be able to provide this service.
31 Geo772 : I would actively avoid flying on a carrier that allowed the use of mobiles in flight. At the moment flying is the one place where you can get away fro
32 Afay1 : With this system, could one use a cell-card in a laptop, bridge the connection to the 802.11 wireless card, and then act as an ad-hoc wireless hotspot
33 Post contains links Flymya380 : Inflight mobile phone use? “No thank you” say Monarch passengers http://www.flymonarch.com/cnt/news/index.asp?headlineID=753
34 Ptugarin : I believe cell phones on the FR flights will not be a big problem because people flying with LCC do so because of their low budget, and therefore it i
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