EI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1396 posts, RR: 30 Posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2372 times:
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Quote: Ryanair in OnAir deal for in-flight mobiles
August 30, 2006 10:46
Ryanair has agreed a deal with communications joint venture OnAir to fit its aircraft with technology to allow passengers to use their mobile phones on planes.
Ryanair said in a statement today that it would install the system on its entire fleet of Boeing 737 aircraft from mid-2007.
'Ryanair's passengers will be able to call, text and e-mail using their mobile phones, BlackBerrys and Treos at rates which will mirror international roaming charges,' the airline said.
Users will be charged by their mobile service providers on their monthly bills and Ryanair will receive a commission from OnAir, it said.
OnAir is a joint venture between planemaker Airbus and information technology systems provider SITA. Its ground network will be provided by Monaco Telecom.
Mhodgson From United Kingdom (England), joined Dec 2002, 4969 posts, RR: 40 Reply 1, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2330 times:
Oh no... That is going to be hell, stuck on a plane with someone yapping down their phone constantly... chavs texting non stop before ringing someone for an utterly pointless conversation.
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Jamesjoyce From Belgium, joined May 2004, 77 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2251 times:
Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 2): Yeh but the worst thing is, is when people almost shout into there phone because they want everyone to hear how important they are.
Bad idea
It depends ... Ryanair makes more money on added services than by flying, which is why their rates are that low. Aviation for them is about to become a marketing tool to sell other services, a way to reach customers as it seems.
It will contradict many but if I can fly a Charleroi-Shannon for €10 round-trip (excl. tax) then I don't really care. Have you also considered the phone-rates BTW when using such a mobile-cell in a plane? The ordinary traveller will do it once, then get the bill, and not do it anymore.
On the other hand, there goes the mistery on "not using your cell-phones" in flight. Once the airline makes money on it, it's OK. So what is it about all the hogwash we were served about electronic navigation equipment being disturbed?
EZYAirbus From United Kingdom (England), joined Sep 2003, 2314 posts, RR: 61 Reply 4, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2251 times:
Now it is a bus service, still wouldnt expect anything less from these bunch of clowns
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8239 posts, RR: 40 Reply 6, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2177 times:
Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 3): On the other hand, there goes the mistery on "not using your cell-phones" in flight. Once the airline makes money on it, it's OK. So what is it about all the hogwash we were served about electronic navigation equipment being disturbed?
Quoting EI787 (Thread starter): Ryanair has agreed a deal with communications joint venture OnAir to fit its aircraft with technology to allow passengers to use their mobile phones on planes.
777 From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 325 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2168 times:
Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 3): On the other hand, there goes the mystery on "not using your cell-phones" in flight. Once the airline makes money on it, it's OK. So what is it about all the hogwash we were served about electronic navigation equipment being disturbed?
That's not totally true: with the OnAir equipment your cell phone will be disallowed to search any other networks and will be forced to be connected with the GSM antenna installed onboard.
This means that your cell phone (and the other dozens present on board) will spend a minimum level of its energy to maintain the link with the signal, so that it will not interfere with the avionics onboard.
Anyway I can better understand the choice of RyanAir to allow the GSM on board than the similar choice made by Air France: if I'm a low cost traveller maybe I could accept to have an informal and quite messy environment during the flight, but if I'm a business traveller flying with AF....
EI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1396 posts, RR: 30 Reply 8, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2157 times:
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Press Release from FR:
Quote: RYANAIR ANNOUNCES IN FLIGHT MOBILE ACCESS FOR ALL PASSENGERS
New venture with communications pioneer OnAir will enable Ryanair’s 42M passengers to keep in touch on all flights
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Ryanair, Europe’s largest low fares airline, and OnAir, the leading onboard passenger communications provider, today (30th Aug) announced a deal that will see Ryanair’s entire fleet of Boeing 737 aircraft fitted with OnAir’s onboard mobile communications solution. The announcement will make Ryanair the first European airline to offer Europe-wide mobile telephony services during flights across its entire fleet of aircraft to all passengers via their own mobile phones and smartphones.
The deal means that from mid 2007 (subject to relevant regulatory approval) Ryanair’s passengers will be able to call, text and e-mail using their mobile phones, BlackBerrys™ and Treos™ at rates which will mirror international roaming charges. OnAir intend to fit 50 Ryanair aircraft during the second half of 2007, with the remainder of the fleet receiving installations from early 2008 onwards. Mobile OnAir will be offered on all Ryanair flights across Ryanair’s network of more than 360 routes serving 23 countries across Europe. Ryanair will be the first European airline to offer this mobile telephony to all passengers on all of its 200 plus aircraft fleet.
Developed by inflight communications specialist OnAir, Mobile OnAir uses advanced lightweight onboard technology to allow passengers to make and receive calls, exchange SMS messages and connect to e-mail via satellite broadband links and a ground network to be supplied by OnAir’s telecoms infrastructure partner, Monaco Telecom.
OnAir’s solution allows mobile phone operators to charge passengers using Mobile OnAir at rates in line with current international roaming charges on passengers’ normal monthly bills. Ryanair will receive a commission from OnAir on call revenues generated by passengers on board its aircraft.
Announcing the new service initiative, Ryanair’s CEO Michael O’Leary said:
“This is another revolutionary passenger service initiative from Ryanair. In addition to offering our customers the lowest air fares and youngest fleet of aircraft, Ryanair will soon enable passengers to use their mobile phones and electronic communications devices in the air, just as they do on the ground. That means they will be able to pass on the good news to workmates, friends and family that they are travelling on another on-time flight with Europe’s most punctual airline.
“This is a win-win for Ryanair, OnAir and most importantly our customers. The revenues generated by onboard mobile telephony will reduce our costs and help us to keep offering the lowest fares in Europe while at the same time doubling the size of our operation over the next five years as we grow to carry 80M passengers annually by 2012. To celebrate this new service, we are offering 1M seats from the UK to Europe for just £9.99*. Passengers should dial up their low fare seats immediately on www.ryanair.com as fares this low will not last long”.
George Cooper, CEO of OnAir, added:
“We are delighted that Ryanair is to become the first carrier to install Mobile OnAir throughout its fleet. Not only is Ryanair one of the world’s most innovative airlines, but the deal is also a strong endorsement of the all round capability of our solution for both Boeing and Airbus aircraft”.
Spruit From United Kingdom (England), joined Oct 2005, 375 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2035 times:
Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 9): Will people be charged for recieving messages though, and phone calls?
Yes of course, international roaming charges you and the person calling you for txt's and voice!
Personnaly I think it's a disaster, the only place you could get away from corny crazy f*****g frog ringtones and self important people who have no volume control on their voices will soon be a thing of the past!
What's next, the Quiet Class Cabin on the A380/787 it's gonna take more than a flimsy curtain to keep it all out! ???
Nighthawk From United Kingdom (Scotland), joined Sep 2001, 4188 posts, RR: 48 Reply 11, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1979 times:
All they gotta do now is start selling ear plugs for all the folks sick of listening to people yapping away or their phones ringing. Double the income!
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Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2356 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1728 times:
Well, this was bound to happen, and if it means even lower fares, why should you care? People yak into phones in commuter trains, Ryanair runs a 'commuter plane' service, why should you care?
Cwldude From United Kingdom (Wales), joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1522 times:
Quoting Cricket (Reply 13): People yak into phones in commuter trains
I hate trains, I hate Ryanair!
Perfect match
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Flamedude707 From United States, joined Jun 2005, 229 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1501 times:
Quoting Jamesjoyce (Reply 3): On the other hand, there goes the mistery on "not using your cell-phones" in flight. Once the airline makes money on it, it's OK. So what is it about all the hogwash we were served about electronic navigation equipment being disturbed?
A Discovery Channell Show in the US proved that certain typs of cell phone
waves do affect navigation equipment. Plus, they alsostated that the FAA did not allow them to try their experiment in the air. It was tried on a makeshift cockpit with all the equipment, and stated was that if enough radio waves are emitted at one time, it could reallyscrew things up.
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 3757 posts, RR: 14 Reply 17, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1430 times:
Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 16): One word...... iPod..... maybe just one or two more clicks on the volume control now Big grin
what seems to be the problem? At the rates they are charging, you won't find too many people using their cellphones and if they do, they keep it rather short.
Whereas, if you may sit next to a bunch of people chatting all the way through the flight. The worst possible thing however that can happen to you, and on an FR flight it is more likely, you have some moron sitting next to you with an iPOD beating his brains out with something that I would not call "music".
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Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 3826 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1314 times:
The days of 'luxury flying' are long gone. If you don't like it, I suggest you get on to Gulfstream or Dassault.
Quoting Cricket (Reply 13): Well, this was bound to happen, and if it means even lower fares, why should you care? People yak into phones in commuter trains, Ryanair runs a 'commuter plane' service, why should you care?
Exactly - I was on a rush hour train out of London yesterday, having a good conversation with a friend, while the other guy in the compartment was doing the same. Not everybody shouts into their phone, and not everybody has a problem with it.
While I'm not exactly thrilled to bits with the idea, if it means potentially lower fares, then why not?
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2712 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
I think this sounds like a great idea to be honest. And if you are that bothered with people talking on the phone; just sheild yourself with a MP3 player or something. After all it´s not 12hr long haul flights we´re talking about here..
Jdevora From Spain, joined Aug 2006, 298 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1278 times:
Quoting Spruit (Reply 10): Quoting Sv2008 (Reply 9):
Will people be charged for recieving messages though, and phone calls?
Yes of course, international roaming charges you and the person calling you for txt's and voice!
Usually when you are "roaming" you pay the "international bit" of a received call (the caller is dialing the same number and he can't know if you are away) but usually you don't pay any extra for Receive a Txt.
LH459 From United States, joined Aug 2005, 671 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1064 times:
Quoting Richardw (Reply 21): 'I'm going on mi 'olleyday, the plane is going to Marcia and then we are gettin' a bus to Benidorm, will be out wiv mi mates tonight'
Now, couldn't you just imagine Vicky Pollard on RyanAir yacking away into her phone?
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VS239 From United Kingdom (England), joined Jul 2006, 59 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1007 times:
Just charge the users 20 Euros a minute and see how many people use their phones.
Having said that, how will Ryanair advertise the charges? Something like
"All mobile phones can be used FREE* of charge"
(in a much smaller font)
* Subject to a Euro 20 connection fee per minute or part thereof, minimum 2 minutes.
Johnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 8 Reply 25, posted (3 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 891 times:
as long as there is legislation that prevents cell phones from being used inflight, no airline will indeed be able to allow this.
e.g. in Germany, it is forbidden by law that cell phones are used. i assume it is very same in all other EU countries.
so FR can put out press releases if they want, but at the end of the day, it is not permissible. at least still today...
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26 Pe@rson: It IS possible because they are to install special transmitters and technology so that mobile phones can be used while not interferring with the airc
27 BHXFAOTIPYYC: From the London Times How An Airline Can Give Tickets Away - And Still Make A Fortune
28 Pe@rson: Johnnybgoode: It was clearly stated in the first larger paragraph in the copy-and-pasted article:
29 Vega9000: The real problem is not the actual talking. Most people speak at a normal tone of voice when they make a call, and the loud people talk loud with thei
30 Johnnybgoode: this technology needs to be approved first and legislation must be amended. until this happends, FR won't be able to provide this service.
31 Geo772: I would actively avoid flying on a carrier that allowed the use of mobiles in flight. At the moment flying is the one place where you can get away fro
32 Afay1: With this system, could one use a cell-card in a laptop, bridge the connection to the 802.11 wireless card, and then act as an ad-hoc wireless hotspot
33 Flymya380: Inflight mobile phone use? “No thank you” say Monarch passengers http://www.flymonarch.com/cnt/news/index.asp?headlineID=753
34 Ptugarin: I believe cell phones on the FR flights will not be a big problem because people flying with LCC do so because of their low budget, and therefore it i
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