Quote:"Pilot locked out of cockpit after bathroom break
Wednesday, August 30, 2006
WINNIPEG - An Air Canada pilot who left the flight deck to visit the washroom found himself locked out of the cockpit when he tried to return -- forcing the crew to remove the door from its hinges.
It happened aboard an Air Canada Jazz flight on Saturday, and the company confirmed to Global National yesterday it is conducting an internal investigation into the incident that took place on the Bombardier CRJ-100 carrying as many as 50 passengers from Ottawa to Winnipeg."
Jamesjoyce From Belgium, joined May 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 19853 times:
Quoting Eksath (Thread starter): WINNIPEG - An Air Canada pilot who left the flight deck to visit the washroom found himself locked out of the cockpit when he tried to return -- forcing the crew to remove the door from its hinges.
Henceforth all AC-aircraft will now be equipped with a bucket in the cockpit.
Mdaigle From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 19550 times:
There was a FA in the cockpit with the co-pilot, so he/she may have popped the hinges from inside the cockpit. I don't know the design of the door, but the hinges may be accessible from the cockpit side.
YOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 19255 times:
Quoting Mdaigle (Reply 9): There was a FA in the cockpit with the co-pilot, so he/she may have popped the hinges from inside the cockpit. I don't know the design of the door, but the hinges may be accessible from the cockpit side.
Yup, when one of the pilots is using the lav, an F/A must be in the cockpit (except in 3-person crewed cockpits which are almost non-existent nowadays).
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9355 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 19210 times:
Quoting FlyingColours (Reply 7): The door probably jammed shut. Had a good few sticky doors already.
The door probably failed somehow and would not open. So the pilot probably was essentially locked out. Mechanisms can fail. I'm a guessing that they needed a bit of engenuity to get back in the cockpit.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
Eventually, the crew forced the door open by taking the door off its hinges completely
A terrorist with a lot of time on his hands and was (impossibly) invisible, could enter the cockpit quite readily with a screwdriver and some elbow grease?
Also the door can only be taken off the hinges easily from the inside the cockpit (without power tools and about, as said earlier, a couple of hours of free time). It's a escape feature if the escape hatch is inoperative during a accident.
Airfoilsguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 18932 times:
"There's sloppiness, there's inconsistency, and there are vulnerabilities that terrorists are going to notice, and they're going to see it and say this is easy pickings."
What a bunch of horse sh:t. The media is trying to say that Air Canada is sloppy and therefor giving terrorists ideas. The only one I see giving terrorists ideas is who ever wrote this article. It was a nonevent. It is not news worthy. Yes the people on airliners.net find it interesting but to the public at large no one cares. The Media needs to stop this sensationalistic bullsh;t!!
AIRCANL1011 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 262 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18729 times:
The pilot "can be taken hostage by someone in the plane with hostile intent," said Peter St. John, a Winnipeg-based security analyst.
Couldn't someone with "hostile intent" take the pilot hostage when he is on his way to the lav under normal conditions.
This is a guy who lives with doubt and suspicion all his life and can find a problem waiting to happen with any situation. These guys need to sit down and shut up. They are the terrorists best weapon because they spread fear where there is no need for it.
727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18647 times:
The new security cockpit door on the CRJ does have issues with getting stuck from time to time. Usually just give it a good bump and it will become dislodged. If not, there are pins on the inside that will allow it to be removed from the hinges. It is also quite easy to put the door back on the hinges. All CRJ pilots have been trained on this. The pilot still in the cockpit just had to show the FA how to do it to get the door open.
This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. You'd think the media has more important stuff to report but this is pick on the airlines week.
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4172 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 16938 times:
Boy, it's a good thing the FO didn't have to land the airplane.... idiot media.
As has been stated before, the hinge release mechanisms are inside the cockpit. I believe instead this proves how sturdy the cockpit door is in the event of an attempted cockpit intrusion. This gives the crew plenty of time to go to full lock down... and in the event they finally do get into the cockpit they will get a nice welcome of a crash axe, gun, or both. Anyone who attempts to break into a cockpit that is not welcome has forfeited their life.