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Why It's So Expensive To Fly To BZE?  
User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6366 times:

I've being looking for tickets in October from JAX to BZE for 3 missionaries friends of mine (I've even looked for tickets beyond October, all the way till next year).. and all tickets are well over $600 regardless of what airline I choose....
The tickets are for only 2 to 3 weeks, but no matter what day I look for, the lowest prices are $650 to $800 depending on the days.... the question that I have, is WHY SO EXPENSIVE? BZE isn't that far away.. it is one of the WORST airports I've ever being too, not to mention that has no taxiway.... and most people that go are tourists, hardly any real business pax (I've flown first class and the cabin was almost empty both ways, with the F-cabin usually used by elite upgrades)... I went a year ago and the tickets were for $400, but now they are way too much for a restricted coach fare! Anyone knows why such an increase in fares?


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6218 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Quoting Atnight (Thread starter):
The tickets are for only 2 to 3 weeks, but no matter what day I look for, the lowest prices are $650 to $800 depending on the days.... the question that I have, is WHY SO EXPENSIVE? BZE isn't that far away.. it is one of the WORST airports I've ever being too, not to mention that has no taxiway.... and most people that go are tourists, hardly any real business pax (I've flown first class and the cabin was almost empty both ways, with the F-cabin usually used by elite upgrades)... I went a year ago and the tickets were for $400, but now they are way too much for a restricted coach fare! Anyone knows why such an increase in fares?

You might need to duck for this reply!!!!  bomb 

Tickets are expensive because a) fuel is expensive here b) lots and lots of tourists want to come and not cheapo tourist....divers, nature watchers etc..the kinds that have money c) not a whole lot of competition d) weekend fares are higher and e) regulated market f) airlines go where the money it

When last were you here....we do have a taxiway...just not the entire lenght of the runway...which they are now extending

Please don't bash our airport.....better than getting harrased in MIA or IAH by some snot nose immigration agent who is itelling you how he hates his job and country! and where else can you sit an watch planes in the open air right up close.

As for Buisness Travellers....there are lots of F-cabin people on weekdays..whenver I travel on weekdays on AA or CO...F is always full with mostly full fare paying Belizeans.

I would suggest you try DL....they are having a rough time fillign their plane. CO and AA are killign them.

In the end you get what you pay for...you wnna come to an expensive destination, we want you but you will have to pay..if you wnat a cheap vacation ..try ur friends to the north in that little piece of FLorida we call Cancun.

Hope to see you soon.



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

http://www.expedia.co.uk/pub/agent.dll?tovr=-1294707293&ps3u=

I found £337/357 each.

Is that any better.


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2646 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

I actually don't think that price is so bad...


B4REAL, spelled like it sounds
User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

Quoting Atnight (Thread starter):
Why It's So Expensive To Fly To BZE?

I would venture a guess and say Central America in general is quite expensive. As mentioned, fuel prices are high, and operating costs are way expensive as well.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
I would suggest you try DL....they are having a rough time fillign their plane. CO and AA are killign them.

Or better yet, take CO to FRS, spend a few days visiting Tikal, and then take a flight to BZE!




... hey, I gotta promote my country at any chance, don't you think? Big grin

Saludos,
Carmen



Don't expect to see me around that much (if at all) -- the contact link should still work, though.
User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4341 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6290 times:

Try using miles, I once flew to Belize from NYC with US Air using 30.000 miles only, pretty good deal I guess.
You might also check if Tikal is cheaper, maybe with TACA, and go overland to Belize.
But central america is basically quite expensive to go, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua etc often only start at $550 roundtrip even from Miami. I love to go there again, but It's time some low cost carier discovers the opportunities in central America !



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User currently offlineDonzilasse From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

AA from MIA is $476.

User currently offlineAtnight From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
Please don't bash our airport.....better than getting harrased in MIA or IAH by some snot nose immigration agent who is itelling you how he hates his job and country! and where else can you sit an watch planes in the open air right up close.

Well, I guess you're right, MIA, IAH and LAX are worst in some ways than BZE... not just the INS agents who treat even US citizens like cattle, but also the service the airport themselves provide... Anyways, I'm not trying to bash the airport, I just don't know why the increase of cost when the facilities aren't exactly that advance..... and sorry to say, but Belize is way too expensive when you compare it with most countries in latin america... and about Cancun, please, I will take any place before CUN... it's just like the typical US beach with a bunch of drunk people and wild college guys....
Now, I know the people who go to BZE are folks with money (how else would you pay $150 for a 15 min flight to and from San Pedro, pay $5 for 20 mins of internet and $20 for a piece of pizza?).... but tickets shouldn't be that expensive when you have other markets farther away or more expensive for tourism for less money in the cost of a ticket.... (UK is so expensive, yet you find tickets soo cheap to and from the US)..... I just think the airlines are making too much money out of this route because of lack of competition.... that seems as the only explanation....

Quoting B4real (Reply 3):
I actually don't think that price is so bad...

Well, if you have the money, a $250 difference in each ticket from last year isn't much, but these are 3 pax who go as missionaries, thus they have to save as much money as possible, not to mention they are not going for vacation....(much less to get any money)....

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 4):
Or better yet, take CO to FRS, spend a few days visiting Tikal, and then take a flight to BZE!

I'm trying to get 3 people to BZE as cheap as possible, going via FRS makes the trip a WHOLE LOT more expensive.... but thanks for promoting your country....

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
Try using miles, I once flew to Belize from NYC with US Air using 30.000 miles only, pretty good deal I guess.
You might also check if Tikal is cheaper, maybe with TACA, and go overland to Belize.
But central america is basically quite expensive to go, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua etc often only start at $550 roundtrip even from Miami. I love to go there again, but It's time some low cost carier discovers the opportunities in central America !

I couldn't agree with you more... having travelled all over the world, the least place I would go again for a vacation will be Central America (including Mexico, which is North America).... why? is not worth the cost... I don't know why a LCC doesn't start in Central America.... Even South America needs one really bad... I know GOL is kinda one, but we need others in the region...



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User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 5):
It's time some low cost carier discovers the opportunities in central America !



Quoting Atnight (Reply 7):
I don't know why a LCC doesn't start in Central America....

Ah, don't get me started with that... Stupid bureaucracy, protectionism, lack of support from local governments, silly politics... just check this thread for a sample.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6218 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6186 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 4):
... hey, I gotta promote my country at any chance, don't you think? 


Amen.....Tikal is great. Although we got a bigger site than Tikal here....Caracol...which actually defeated Tikal... Big grin

Quoting Atnight (Reply 7):
$20 for a piece of pizza

OUCH....sounds like you got ripped of....I pay US$1.25....as for flights to San Pedro...next time try flying from TZA (Belize Municipal)...it is half the price than from BZE..or taxe water taxi.....$US20 round trip....that is the way to go...



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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

BZE is still a niche market. Costs just as much to put aircraft there as CUN, but it lacks the high volume traffic of Mexico and Costa Rica. The only way to make it work is charge higher fares. CUN beach seekers aren't going to BZE no matter what, so you can't pad load factor with cheap fares and always go out 100%. That's why CUN is cheaper - you can always sell CUN flights 100% full, whether they are high fares or not. The more specialized nature of BZE travellers means they have to pay more per person vs. CUN because of the lower volume / smaller aircraft but still costly ops.

User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 9):
Amen.....Tikal is great. Although we got a bigger site than Tikal here....Caracol...which actually defeated Tikal...

You actually got me there for a moment... then I remembered when I helped my sister with her Social Studies class. A bit of pre-Columbian history there Big grin



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User currently offline3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5845 times:

Glad to see this thread -- we were thinking of going to Belize with our children (5 and 10), and strongly considering flying to GUA and going via bus (or even car?) to Belize, stopping at Tikal in one direction or the other. Does anyone have any experience, recommendations, etc. on that? From what I've heard it sounds like a bit of a pain, and this is from someone who is trying to make it sound easy, painless, and fun. We are definitely planning to rent a vehicle (probably jeep) in Belize, no diving or beaches for us, moving around the country. Airfares to BZE are definitely higher than we'd like.

User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5791 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
I would suggest you try DL....they are having a rough time fillign their plane.

OUCH...Yes DL having a hard time in the BZE market but you got to give it to them(Die Hard in the Latam Market)

Under like JM DL is trying hard to be a player in the US-BZE market this winter DL could of pull out of BZE all together but no it will service BZE with a CRJ7 (EV)


*On a side note yellowtail I would luv to meet up with you on my next trip to BZE if your around in Nov (PM me if anything)

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 10):
BZE is still a niche market.

I Agree and it will be that way for another few years to come.

Quoting Atnight (Reply 7):
I don't know why a LCC doesn't start in Central America

I agree if B6 can send a Airbus to Central America for Mx check why can't they start at FLL- LatAm or NK



Belize my home sweet home...
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6218 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5789 times:

Would not suggest the bus from GUA to BZE....very very long ride.....would be cheaper even to fly to CUn and drive....a much easier nad MUCH faster way to get to BZE.....I ahve driven it in 4 hours....

the express bus ride from GUA to the Belize Border is about 10hours....NEVER AGAIN WILL I TRY TO BE CHEAP!



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User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5655 times:

Quoting 3201 (Reply 12):
we were thinking of going to Belize with our children (5 and 10), and strongly considering flying to GUA and going via bus (or even car?) to Belize, stopping at Tikal in one direction or the other.

From GUA to FRS the road is in very good condition, but the drive would be about 7 hours - something to keep in mind, especially when traveling with kids! My sisters (both the same age as your children) didn't mind the long drive when we visited Tikal last October; however, we made a stopover for a couple of days on the way there, and they were sound asleep during the return trip.

I can't comment on the road to Belize as I've never visited there  Sad but Yellowtail doesn't seem to think it's a good idea... Big grin And I agree, driving from CUN would be faster.

Then again, you would be missing out on this...



Feel free to drop me a line if you decide to visit GUA, I'll try to help!  Smile

Regards,
Carmen



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6218 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5571 times:

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 13):
DL could of pull out of BZE all together but no it will service BZE with a CRJ7 (EV)



This is news...they are moving the service to a CRJ? ...startign when? if it is so they are putting it at the hieght of the tourist season....but at least we wil lget some variety around here.



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6218 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5553 times:

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 13):
OUCH...Yes DL having a hard time in the BZE market but you got to give it to them(Die Hard in the Latam Market)

Under like JM DL is trying hard to be a player in the US-BZE market this winter DL could of pull out of BZE all together but no it will service BZE with a CRJ7 (EV

You know it is strange.......DL was doing so well when they first started that they went daily....now down to the CRJ

I think CO changing of their schedule...was 2 afternoon..now one am and one pm has a lot to do with it.

Also, DL has next to no marketing presence in BZE.....gotta have a equal balance of traffic....just ask CO and AA....



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User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5501 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 17):
DL has next to no marketing presence in BZE

Maybe you should talk to the station manger in BZE. I saw on the Miss Belize website that DL offer ticket to the winner of the contest anywhere DL flies. So that was a little free marketing..lol

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 17):
now down to the CRJ

Yes start mid Nov (18) it will be back to daily using a 70 seater CR7 (ASA) Flt #4507 to BZE
#4506 to ATL



Belize my home sweet home...
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6218 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5457 times:

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 18):
Maybe you should talk to the station manger in BZE. I saw on the Miss Belize website that DL offer ticket to the winner of the contest anywhere DL flies. So that was a little free marketing..lol


Rudy doesn't handle marketing.. THey need a physical office front. I can give them one for FREE if they want.

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 18):
Yes start mid Nov (18) it will be back to daily using a 70 seater CR7 (ASA) Flt #4507 to BZE
#4506 to ATL

Well at least it will it wil lbe daily..started sat only 737, then daily 737, then 5X737, now 4X737, back to daily....crj....gotta give them credit for trying...
and daily might help with some business traffic

Looks like US struggling now too....only counted 76 on Sat flight 2 weeks ago..suppsoed to be busiest day of the week.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5440 times:

I got a bargain when I went, with AA. LHR-ORD-DEN(stayed with friends)-DFW-BZE-MIA-LHR - around GBP500, about 4 years ago.

User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 19):
Rudy

??? the station manger a lady

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 19):
Well at least it will it wil lbe daily..started sat only 737, then daily 737, then 5X737, now 4X737, back to daily....crj....gotta give them credit for trying...
and daily might help with some business traffic

It will be Sat only starting Sept-Nov and then Daily 18 Nov.



Belize my home sweet home...
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