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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5927 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 12216 times:

Link mentions plans for service to Iran and Japan too http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...+fleet+with+Russian+airliners.html

Pyongyang is served by China Southern Airlines 733 from Beijing which the article dosent say.

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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12193 times:

If they will pay, why not sell them some A320s and A330s? I know they have US parts, but I'm not sure US has an embargo on the DPRK.


"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
User currently offlineMichiganMAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12179 times:

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
Link mentions plans for service to Iran and Japan too http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles....html

cute.............although I thought a higher priority should be made to feed their people.



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User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12124 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 1):
If they will pay, why not sell them some A320s and A330s? I know they have US parts, but I'm not sure US has an embargo on the DPRK.

To be political correct the will most likely buy some Russian made aircraft



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12105 times:

How about some TU-204-300's.


Drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2575 posts, RR: 31
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 12083 times:

They will buy Chinese made aircraft. They aren't in love with the Russians either.

Saludos desde Monterrey,
Luis


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9706 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11998 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 1):
If they will pay, why not sell them some A320s and A330s? I know they have US parts, but I'm not sure US has an embargo on the DPRK.

No Airbus cannot sell planes to North Korea. There are sanctions and a trade embargo in place from the United States. There are significant parts on Airbus planes that are made by American companies. There is no way that Airbus can build a plane and sell it to North Korea. The US suppliers will not cooperate. The only options are non westernized versions of the Tu204 and IL-96 like the article says.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineExaauadl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11950 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 1):
If they will pay, why not sell them some A320s and A330s? I know they have US parts, but I'm not sure US has an embargo on the DPRK.

pay with what exactly???? perhaps they have enough western currency after selling Iran some nuclear weapons


User currently offlineSkip17 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11939 times:

Quoting MichiganMAN (Reply 2):
cute.............although I thought a higher priority should be made to feed their people

Haha thank you! I was waiting for this point to be made.

What about Embraer? They could be ideal for the flights to Japan. Does Embraer use American parts as well?


User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11885 times:

I say for all countries Do Not sell any aircraft to North Korea.
Neglecting their citizens of basic needs and selfishly pursuing Nuclear Ambitions and threatening other countries despite numerous attempts and warnings for them to stop.
They just don't get it.

Maybe buying scrapped planes in Iran might work.
Otherwise let them continue to fly with their current fleet until the government smartens up. If they break down, oh well. Go by rail.



Chance favors the prepared mind.
User currently online777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11822 times:

I think their desire to establish flights to/from Iran says enough. What's next, an AN-224 to shuttle fully assembled missiles and nuclear reactors to and fro?!

North Korea is an absolute joke and it's amazing that they haven't had any problems with their existing fleet given its age and the fact that practically everything North Korea touches either defaults, breaks down or becomes belligerant. Then again, even if one of their aircraft were involved in an accident, would anyone even hear about it given their reclusiveness?!

Anyone willing to deal with North Korea has to do so with the assumption that they'll never actually pay for what they order. Good riddance.


777fan



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11785 times:

Quoting BO__einG (Reply 9):
threatening other countries despite numerous attempts and warnings for them to stop

Who are they threatening, the US? other than the US only Japan may be bothered the rest are all playing a diplomatic drama the condemnation of North Korea's nuke pursuit is all a facade.

Quoting MichiganMAN (Reply 2):
cute.............although I thought a higher priority should be made to feed their people.



Quoting BO__einG (Reply 9):
Neglecting their citizens of basic needs

Running an airline has nothing to do with other domestic social issues, that way Ethiopian shouldnt even think of flying let alone buying new planes.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11785 times:

You know, 777fan, that was something that caught my eye too. I can think of quite a few intelligence agencies that would love to see a cargo manifest for these flights!

Wearing my aircraft enthusiast's hat, I say, "great, Air Koryo IL-96s - wow!", but I agree with your sentiments and what surprised me is that the airline is looking to add more flights (apart from Iran!); surely the big obstacle to their ability to do this is the North Korean govt itself, which is very miserly with visas and often shuts the country off to foreigners completely.

Where will they go next? AVOD, PTVs, a Business Class service, an FFP ...


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11771 times:

They do have Business Class according to OAG and inflight Duty Free Sales.

User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11699 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 11):
Running an airline has nothing to do with other domestic social issues, that way Ethiopian shouldnt even think of flying let alone buying new planes.

Thing is, as a successful carrier with strong growth prospects, Ethiopian probably does more for its country than would taking the same money and spending it all on food aid.

The key to successful development is building a sustainable industrial and commercial base, and Ethiopian does just that.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineUalcsr From United States of America, joined May 2006, 485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11663 times:

Quoting 777fan (Reply 10):
I think their desire to establish flights to/from Iran says enough. What's next, an AN-224 to shuttle fully assembled missiles and nuclear reactors to and fro?!

Flights to Caracas can't be far behind!!


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4714 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11637 times:

Quoting MichiganMAN (Reply 2):
cute.............although I thought a higher priority should be made to feed their people.

and to be payed with what? these services might just be the thing that brings more tourists (and thus solid curency) into North Korea.



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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11583 times:

I wonder how much the loss of an IL62 this week has to do with this?

User currently online777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11519 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 11):
Who are they threatening, the US? other than the US only Japan may be bothered the rest are all playing a diplomatic drama the condemnation of North Korea's nuke pursuit is all a facade.

What are you talking about?! North Korea's behavior threatens everyone! The proliferation of weapons to rogue states such as Iran and Syria is not "drama", nor is the DPRK's counterfeiting of US currency, mass production and export of narcotics, etc...

http://opioids.com/korea/

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 12):
You know, 777fan, that was something that caught my eye too. I can think of quite a few intelligence agencies that would love to see a cargo manifest for these flights!

Yeah, no doubt. They've been caught running drugs to practically all of Asia and even Australia on ships. I can't imagine what they ship on their aircraft. As they say, "when it absolutely, positively needs to get there overnight."

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 17):
I wonder how much the loss of an IL62 this week has to do with this?

Huh?


Just in case you need to see how badly the DPRK needs new aircraft (you won't need to understand Korean to understand what's going on):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITBqRSMBWaM

777fan

[Edited 2006-08-31 00:06:44]


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User currently offlineAvatordon From United States of America, joined May 2006, 239 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11465 times:

I'm sure they could get a surplus aircraft from JAL or ANA...for a steal Big grin

User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9706 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11456 times:

Quoting Skip17 (Reply 8):
What about Embraer? They could be ideal for the flights to Japan. Does Embraer use American parts as well?

No Embraer and Bombardier planes have just as much American content as Airbus planes do. For example the whole electrical system on the ERJ-170 series is made in America. It's kind of hard not to fly without a cockpit or electricity.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3085 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11423 times:

Quoting Skip17 (Reply 8):
What about Embraer? They could be ideal for the flights to Japan. Does Embraer use American parts as well?

Plus the two largest components are American.....GE engines....

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11405 times:

777Fan, u think I just made it up?

http://www.russian-aviation.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1138


User currently online777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2520 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11370 times:

Quoting Afay1 (Reply 22):
777Fan, u think I just made it up?

No, not at all, I'm just wondering what the real source of that is seeing as how nobody was credited with writing the article. I'd be shocked to see even Russian companies take the chance on a DPRK business deal seeing as how they're notorious for screwing everyone over by not paying.


777fan



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User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 11317 times:

http://www.fco.gov.uk/servlet/Front?...a=KCountryAdvice&aid=1013618386667

I understand the scepticism. The British Foreign Office is confirming a IL-62 crash-landing, but not at Pyongyang, rather at an airport enroute...


25 Post contains images Warreng24 : I'm sure that they can find lots of 727-200 Advances on the market as well as some DC-8-7X series. I'm sure those can be sold to DPRK with zero embarg
26 777fan : Just goes to show how reclusive the DPRK actually is! I'm surprised that nobody (to include here on anet) picked up on the story. One less Soviet rel
27 RoseFlyer : Nope they can't. US trade embargoes limit products that were produced in the United States. It is possible they could smuggle or at least purchase th
28 Post contains images Manni : What's with all the speculation? Did anyone even bother reading the article or did you all went straight into bashing mode... "North Korea is looking
29 Greasespot : They have an unlimited oil wealth and can pretty much make any part they cannot buy....I am serious...There was an article on it and what they build
30 B6sea : I don't really see why Air Koryo needs aircraft at all anymore? If the people can't fly anywhere, then what's being put in the seats? Also, who's goin
31 Bennett123 : Nuclear capable missilies?
32 Usair320 : EMB and Bombardier are out of the question. So were looking at Chinese Planes.
33 Manni : No we're not.
34 Vincewy : Sweden was burned by North Korea over Volvo deal, remember Sweden is one of the first Western nations to set up embassy in Pyongyang, the reason? Cha
35 N844AA : Don't worry, I'm sure Pyongyang has suitcases full of reasonably convincing US$100 bills ready to go.[Edited 2006-08-31 04:30:43]
36 777fan : Sure, I suppose. I think people in this thread are really wondering why they need new aircraft (particularly a widebody such as the Il-96) when very
37 Carpethead : Air Koryo should check out any airport in this CIS and if they can pay for maintenance & fuel on a say Tu-134 or Tu-154, more power to them. Of course
38 Vanguard737 : It DOES if that airline, the only airline, by the way, is owned and funded by the government - the same government that sacrifices its people for mil
39 Manni : When their old aircraft start falling out of the sky, people will blame the North Koreans for not investing in newer, more reliable material. They're
40 MEABeirut : Considering Boeing's involvement in the RRJ program, is there any possibility that they may order those? They would look stunning in the Air Koryo c/
41 777fan : Are you serious?! With the exception of foreign governments and a smattering of South Korean companies, who invests in North Korea?! Missionaries?! N
42 Manni : While there's a lot more than a few South Korean companies investing in the North, these 2 points alone make it worthwile to invest in a reliable fle
43 L410Turbolet : One could also assume that since they've built 3-lane freeways their ambitions to have mobile population, the catch is the freeways are completely de
44 Post contains images UpperDeck79 : And they served us a warm hamburger on our FNJ-PEK flight. Was it a hull-loss or not? Not much info out there... Our flight exactly a year ago was 10
45 Noelg : True there may be an embargo on selling Airbus to North Korea, but they could always lease them. If Air Koryo set up a holding company elsewhere (mayb
46 Post contains links and images Columba : I was checking out the data base on pictures of Air Koryo and found this one: A North Korean IL 62 with an Iranian 747SP in the background, it is the
47 Post contains links 777fan : Here's some more "propaganda" about missionaries being arrested in the DPRK for you: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2005/51515.htm http://www.cns
48 Bennett123 : You say that it has a decent safety record, but it does not have a huge number of flights. Also given their degree of secrecy ...
49 Manni : No, try again. Dont put words in my mouth. It doesn't add to the credibility of your posts. My statement was in reaction to your advise to the North
50 Post contains links 777fan : I'm not putting words in your mouth - you implied that paranoia and fear are prevalent in the US. I would beg to differ especially when put in the co
51 Manni : And then you wrote... Based on your statement, Americans do not enjoy freedom of speech, have no access to external information sources, and are summ
52 Beechnut : I could sell them my 4-seat Beech Sundowner. It has just about all the passenger capacity needed to accomodate anyone wanting to go to N. Korea, and p
53 Orlando666 : reminds me in the 1980's when Ethiopian Airlines ordered brand new B752/B767 aircraft while their population was in deep famine. Even if Air Koryo nee
54 Bennett123 : My records show 3 AN24RV, 2 IL18V, 4 IL62, 3 IL76MD, 2 TU134, and 4 TU154B. There seems to be scope for rationalisation.
55 LMP737 : Noticed that the article stated "Acquisition of environmentally-friendly aircraft could allow services to Japan, which has a considerable Korean commu
56 MichiganMAN : well a good place to start would be them actually planting and growing rice instead of opium......... but of course DPRK has to get get the opiates o
57 LMP737 : Short answer, no.
58 Post contains links Bennett123 : http://www.flightglobal.com/Home/Default.aspx Given their recent mishaps, they may need more capacity.
59 Post contains images YULWinterSkies : Wait, what you are saying is right but this applies also very well to the USA, both for neglecting their citizens of basid needs (no public universal
60 YULWinterSkies : Noise requirements are not stupid, they are made for the protection of our environment (you know, people work and live under take off routes of airpo
61 777way : I never knew Americans were so concerned for North Korean's well being, this thread would have tilted in a different direction if they were interested
62 MichiganMAN : sorry for going all politico-non av here....... there is plenty to be concerned about. 200,000 in concentration camps, where 3 generation of the famil
63 777way : I dont feel like discussing this anymore, I read many insensitive posts regarding Lebanon's civilians and after that I feel this sympathy for North Ko
64 N844AA : Uh, is Japan really going to want North Korean flying there? I honestly don't know if there's been any recent rapprochement -- it seems, though, with
65 777fan : That was a joke...my goodness. There's no way the US would lift its embargo. The irony lies in the fact that Kim Jong Il loves Western films, product
66 Noelg : Can this thread not continue without discussing international politics? I'm sorry but if I wanted that I'd go to Non-Av, can we at least get back on t
67 Post contains images Socal : How come we dont see any comments from North Korean people on this website.?
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