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Eleventh Departure - Yet More Irish Aviation!  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

Buena Sera, good evening and welcome to another riotous blast of Irish aviation; just when you thought there was nothing more to be said, here we go again, so buckle up and come on, let's fly ... (I borrowed that from Easyjet; since they've left Ireland with their tail between their legs, I feel entitled to nick their strapline as a momento.)

Anyway. August's nearly behind us and September looks like being an interesting month. Clearly, the Aer Lingus privatisation - to which the govt has now given the green light - will be the big event this month, but today's announcement about the new terminal was certainly welcome ... up to a point.

I think the DAA has questions to answer, not just about the terminal itself, but its long term plans; what's going to happen with cargo; since the net gain in widebody stands is pretty minimal, will they construct a new apron for widebodied jets; and what about T3 now?

I've still a bit concerned about their use of the term "long haul" rather than widebodies, as this could include 757s and since we're talking about 2009, how many 757s will still be flying t/a to Dublin? CO will probably be flying 764s and 787s and NWA will be lucky still to be around; I'm just not sure how much capacity this really adds.

Back to EI: it's a big month for EI and the govt needs to work to ensure that the privatisation is a success, the most important element will be to assure potential investors that Aer Lingus can be a good investment. The minister has already said that a good chunk of privatisation proceeds will go to the long haul fleet development, which naturally leads to the question of certainty about its ability to develop new routes. Sure, new routes to Asia would be greatly welcome, BUT the US is the most important one. The big obstacle here is the EU and has the discretion to allow the govt to go ahead with revising the agreement with the US - i.e. to go forward on the basis of the mini deal agreed last year. However, it's by no means certain and the govt will have to take a hard line.

So, here goes - and here's to a very interesting month.

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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6126 times:

I've copied some pictures in below, and as some of you on Thread 10 stated, the increase in gates doesn't look huge, considering Pier C is basically going to make way for the new terminal (great planning by the DAA once again!).

However the DAA do state that 19 short haul or 8 long haul stands will be available for the new Terminal, and Pier C only has 6 gates (or maybe only 4 for large aircraft) so it seems to be a bit better on paper, then the diagrams show, but as Kaitak points out, what the DAA are deeming short and longhaul aircraft remains to be seen.
(It would be nice for once to see that an aircraft had to have the wingspan of an A380 to be deemed longhaul by the DAA, but I doubt it)

T2 Fact Sheet

Size: 75,000 sq metres
Cost: €395m
Capacity: Up to 15 million passengers per year
Location: Close to the roundabout on the approach road to the existing terminal
Check-in desks: 58 traditional desks, also ample provision for self-service check-in and bag drop positions
Retail space: 9,000 sq metres
Planning application lodged: August 2006
Construction projected to begin: 2nd quarter 2007
Opening in: Autumn 2009
Scalable: Planning application provides for a second phase of 15,000 sq metres that can be added at a later date

Pier E Key Facts

Size: 24,000 sq metres
Space for: Up to 19 aircraft (19 short-haul or eight long haul)

Other Enhancements

Improved campus road network
Dedicated approach roads for T1 & T2
Major utilities upgrade
Locations provided for future Metro and Ground Transportation Centre



http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/Aerial_View.jpg

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/North_Eastern_Elevation.jpg

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/New_Campus_Layout.jpg



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6120 times:
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Do you notice that in the first pic, there are two AC 744's, a BA 777 and EI aircraft with a very different livery - there seems to be a harp on the tail:

http://i1.tinypic.com/262380y.jpg

A sign of things to come, perhaps!!! Big grin


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6104 times:

Yes, but the question that occurs to me here is, can widebodied aircraft park on BOTH sides of the terminal; is there enough clearance between the pier and the cargo terminal and other buildings. There's nothing showing in this illustration, but there are definitely other buildings. Remember that for a w/b aircraft, you effectively need twice the wingspan/length, plus about 10m or so clearance, which is quite a distance.

When the DAA first issued its plans for T2, a few months back, the illustration they provided showed widebodies on one side only. What the architect's drawing shows here is not much good, as it doesn't show proximity to other buildings, the runway etc. It looks great, no doubt, but will it have the capacity to accommodate future growth?

(I wouldn't pay any attention to the liveries in the pictures!)


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

Leaving the DAA, EI and FR out of the picture for a minute, what is up with Eirjet and BMI.

Every time I log onto the Dublin airport departures/arrival info. page, Eirjet seems to have cancelled their Lazarote flight (twice this week already!) and be an average of about 7hrs behind schedule on the Lourdes flight. I had read on a previous Irish thread that they are having issues with crew numbers, but at this stage it seems to be beyond a joke. I don't remember a day where I've logged on and seen them on time. Can anybody offer some better information on the issue?

Secondly, the 19.05 LHR-DUB & subsequent 19.55 BMI DUB-LHR flight is already shown as cancelled for tomorrow, and it was cancelled last night as well, (Aug 31st and 29th respectively). Do BMI just decide to operate or not depending on numbers booked and merger a few flights together to save on cost, because I've seen that a few times over the summer with them (particularly with that flight) and it would be enough to make me book EI to avoid that sort of rubbish.

Maybe Horus looks at this thread and could enlighten us on the BMI issue?

[Edited 2006-08-31 00:32:02]


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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6041 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 1):
I've copied some pictures in below, and as some of you on Thread 10 stated, the increase in gates doesn't look huge

I'll post some comments on the terminals design when I get a chance to take a good look at it but, in regards to the notion that the net gain in stands is small, this is true initially however there is spacial provision for another pier to be built to the south of T2, to which more stands will eventually be added as the capacity is required. This will obviously see a new cargo terminal being built at another location on the airfield. Dont forget that the stands at T2 are not the only ones that will be built, as there is also an extension & upgrade of pier B in the pipeline, for around 2011. There is also the stands @ airbridges that will be on pier D.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 3):
Yes, but the question that occurs to me here is, can widebodied aircraft park on BOTH sides of the terminal; is there enough clearance between the pier and the cargo terminal and other buildings. There's nothing showing in this illustration, but there are definitely other buildings. Remember that for a w/b aircraft, you effectively need twice the wingspan/length, plus about 10m or so clearance, which is quite a distance.

Looking at the image above your post, the press release seems to be refering to w/b stands as l/h stands.


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 112):
The new facilities allow arriving passengers move from gate to landside through the centre of the terminal without a change in levels. Another feature of T2's design is that all passengers will pass through the heart of the building whether they are departing or arriving.

hmmm is this like in 'T1' where you have to pass through the street when departing and the baggage hall when arriving?

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 112):
Aer Lingus is expected to be the primary user of T2 and the new terminal will also be home to other transatlantic and intercontinental carriers. The new 24,000 square metre Pier E facility, which is perpendicular to T2, will have gates for up to 19 short-haul aircraft or up to eight long-haul aircraft.

ok, so TSA is moving to T2, which makes sense, as the B pier is going to be leveled BUT I worked in the airport for 3 years. Anything perpendicular to T2 that can manage 8 widebodies it's a disaster waiting to happen, I always though we where the laughing stock of Europe as far as airports go, I guess we are not yet but we will be come pier E.

Quoting Danny (Reply 113):
So they are going to remove current pier C in order to build this new terminal.
Is this just me or the net gain of gates will be very low?

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 116):
So they are going to remove current pier C in order to build this new terminal.
Is this just me or the net gain of gates will be very low?

actually no, they are removing the stands from pier C and adding a terminal to it, they are not knocking it down as far as i was told they are just adding the terminal around it. net gain is probably about 9 widebodyt stands (the net gain will become more important later)

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 1):
However the DAA do state that 19 short haul or 8 long haul stands will be available for the new Terminal, and Pier C only has 6 gates (or maybe only 4 for large aircraft)

6 gates or 3 wide bodies (a 757 with winglets counts as a wide body on the C pier)

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 1):
Cost: €395m

How much did cork pay for that terminal?

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 1):
Capacity: Up to 15 million passengers per year

COOL, um, till you know down the B pier huh? after all that is the longer term plans of the DAA, where is the B pier traffic going to go?? the C pier will be T2 and apparently the D pier will have no air bridges?

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 1):
Check-in desks: 58 traditional desks, also ample provision for self-service check-in and bag drop positions

compared with about 200(?) in the existing terminal?

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 1):
Planning application lodged: August 2006

Do you know how many times the fingal county council has to go back to the DAA for more info because the DAA's application is usually something along the lines of... "we want to built a tent on top of the short haul carpark" FULL STOP.

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 4):
Eirjet seems to have cancelled their Lazarote flight (twice this week already!) and be an average of about 7hrs behind schedule on the Lourdes flight. I had read on a previous Irish thread that they are having issues with crew numbers, but at this stage it seems to be beyond a joke. I don't remember a day where I've logged on and seen them on time. Can anybody offer some better information on the issue?

Because last year a lot of seasoned crew joined Eirjet thinking they where going somewhere... these crew where then let go for the winter, eirjet is only a summer job so no, they cannot get get the crews

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
however there is spacial provision for another pier to be built to the south of T2

WHERE??? there's a runway there! also if you really want to get into it, you may need to look into the drainage in DUB there is no room for any proper pier to be built south of T2. (by the way to me its a pier not a terminal)

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
as there is also an extension & upgrade of pier B in the pipeline, for around 2011

where are they going to put the 5 wide bodies when they knock down the B pier? on the D pier maybe with no air bridges? will they all fit in T2 with EI basically being the main airline to use it?

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
There is also the stands @ airbridges that will be on pier D.

Hmm didn't I say this months ago only to be flamed? wasn't the D pier going to be low cost and no air bridges?

I give up, I make a huge effort not to be wrong but it always seems to be forgotten about.



John Hancock
User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6003 times:
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Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 4):
Secondly, the 19.05 LHR-DUB & subsequent 19.55 BMI DUB-LHR flight is already shown as cancelled for tomorrow, and it was cancelled last night as well, (Aug 31st and 29th respectively). Do BMI just decide to operate or not depending on numbers booked and merger a few flights together to save on cost, because I've seen that a few times over the summer with them (particularly with that flight) and it would be enough to make me book EI to avoid that sort of rubbish.

See this thread:

RE: BMI DUB-LHR Cancellations (by JWMD123 Jul 26 2006 in Civil Aviation)#ID2901341


User currently offlineKeego From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5886 times:

Quoting EI787 (Reply 2):
Do you notice that in the first pic, there are two AC 744's, a BA 777 and EI aircraft with a very different livery - there seems to be a harp on the tail:

Also the EI widebodys are T7's!! Do the media ever get it right tongue 


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5840 times:

Smokeyrosco, don't worry, it's not forgotten, but don't forget it's only 24 hours since the new terminal was announced and we're still not 100% sure what it's going to be like in the cold light of day; those pools outside the terminal look great in the pictures, for example, but on a cold, grey windswept February day, how will they look? Probably frozen over!

Anyway, it's natural to be curious about something new. I wouldn't bother about what liveries are on the aircraft; they always use weird ones - as long as the scales are right, that's what matters. One thing did occur to me; they claim that there are 19 short haul stands, yet I can only see jetways for the widebodies; am I missing something?

With regard to your comment about the net gain of widebody stands, I beg to differ; Pier C won't be knocked down, but it will inevitably lose widebody (incl. 757) stands - how much is that? Minus 3 or 4, we'll say. Indeed, will any aircraft be able to use the remaining Pier C stands between Piers E and B? (More to the point, will they be renaming the piers, so as to be alphabetically logical; running from the old terminal through to T2, they are now D, A, B, C and E?) Then, the loss of the midfield stands, where you can current park around 8-12 aircraft; that's a hell of a loss AND when Pier E opens, one presumes that then (or shortly afterwards), they'll start working on the revamping of Pier B, which will involve the loss - for a good while - of the gates of the hexagonal end of Pier B and with it, a good few gates. Now, that is a hell of a loss and indeed, it will be a net loss, so it is reasonable to ask: where is the DAA going to put widebody aircraft during this time?

I'm still wondering about the distance between the pier and the cargo terminal and whether there will be space for widebodied aircraft; of course, I should credit the architects (and yes, the DAA too) with noticing this and if you look at the plan below, the pier is angled in such a way as to be parallel to the B pier, rather than at a 90 degree angle to T2.

Have a look: I do wish the DAA had included scale aircraft, so we could get a sense of the overall plan, as well as other buildings and taxiways.

http://www.dublinairportauthority.com/images/New_Campus_Layout.jpg


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

Here's the original DAA plan, which shows the Pier E with only one side used for widebodies and the other for narrowbodies only; you can see that the Pier is still angled at around 60-70 degrees vs. the terminal and parallel to Pier B, but of course, you can't see the other buildings. Does anyone have a Dublin Airport chart that they could scan and upload, so we could make a proper comparison?

http://www.dublinairport.com/about-u...irport-development/Terminal_2.html


User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5817 times:
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Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10):
Does anyone have a Dublin Airport chart that they could scan and upload, so we could make a proper comparison?

Is this the sort of chart you're after?:

http://www.vateir.com/charts/EIDW/Stands.pdf


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6273 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5801 times:

Quoting EI787 (Reply 2):
Do you notice that in the first pic, there are two AC 744's, a BA 777 and EI aircraft with a very different livery - there seems to be a harp on the tail:

Also if you look closely enough you can see something else written next to "Aer Lingus" but on close up views it's seems to be scribbled over.

The image although quite impressive, is very misleading, we need some more information in words and not pictures. The image shows two Aer Lingus 737s near the Pier but not connected to it, hopefully we will get some more information very soon but I'm glad we finally have a good idea of the plans.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Looking at the chart which EI787 has kindly provided, I think there's no problem as far as the proximity of the cargo terminal is concerned, but there is very definitely a problem as far as the loss of widebody stands is concerned. The 10 stands in the middle of the field, parallel to Pier C will be lost, most Pier C stands will be lost - certainly widebody stands and you get only a few new ones. I think we will need to see proposals for new widebody parking stands.

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6273 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5778 times:

Quote:
Chicago Flight Operations Update

August 31, 2006 - 10:00 am ET

Aer Lingus flight EI124 from Chicago O'Hare to Dublin and Shannon on August 30th was cancelled due to technical reasons. Passengers will be accommodated on flight EI2126 today, August 31st, departing O'Hare airport at 6:30pm.

Aer Lingus are having some more trouble with the A330s.
Sorry if it had been mentioned before.


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5769 times:

Sorry about my post last night, i actually had a few drinks on my and was probably not the best time to be looking up A.net

but I'm looking up the picture from below, not only do i not recognise any of the structures to the left of the new terminal (i used to talk past them every day to and from the staff carpark) but also why wasn't pier D included?

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 9):
I do wish the DAA had included scale aircraft, so we could get a sense of the overall plan, as well as other buildings and taxiways.

http://www.dublinairportauthority.co...t.jpg



John Hancock
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5756 times:

Have a look at the chart which EI787 provided, above - one of the buildings appears to be the cargo terminal.

Don't worry about last night - you were actually very cogent! I doubt if anyone took offence.

It seems that Aer Lingus's problems are multiplying; as well as the A330 stuck in Chicago, they seem to have had a ground collision in Shannon.

However, they did have good news today; half year results are very good, despite the rise in oil prices. Short haul pax went up by 12% and transatlantic decreased by around 4% (but I wonder if a contributory factor there was the fact that t/a capacity was "diverted" to establish the DXB route.)

While investors will no doubt be heartened, they will want to make sure that the long haul operation will be able to expand. The Aer Lingus privatisation roadshow starts on Monday week, so it would be great if the govt were able to say before privatisation that long haul growth can go ahead as planned.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5748 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 16):
they seem to have had a ground collision in Shannon.

Phew! Only a ground vehicle collision; a minivan ran into a towbar. Ouch, but no airplane damaged.


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6273 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5748 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 16):
they seem to have had a ground collision in Shannon.

At least no aircraft were involved! That would have been bad news.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5700 times:

Are there any plans for Cityjet to expand? Maybe now that EI are leaving OW and KL and AF are tied up together, Cityjet might fly DUB-AMS on KL's behalf and ditch the EI codeshare? When are the first Avro's due for Cityjet?

User currently offlineShamrock330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5682 times:

Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 19):
When are the first Avro's due for Cityjet?

I think the first one is due for some time in November. Although, the difference will be minimal to the traveller. There may a bit more space overhead and slightly bigger overhead bins.

I was just looking at the maps on the DAA website. There is one that shows plans for Check in area 14. There will be a new drop off area for this basement check in just before the spiral structures, i believe where the rental car park used to be located.

It just amused me a bit because looking at the layout when terminal two is completed, that drop off area is going to be in a cul de sac if you like, between the new terminal and the current one. I have a feeling that it will delays when opened in December, for the departure ramp. I was dropped off yesterday at 6am and the traffic was all the way down to Corballis house with little movement so I got out and walked it.

Turned out that there was a minibus occupying two lanes while the group were sorting out their bags at snail pace oblivious to the delays they were causing.

Oh yea , there was no airport official there to keep the traffic flowing. It was laughable.


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1653 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5674 times:

Quoting Shamrock330 (Reply 20):
I think the first one is due for some time in November. Although, the difference will be minimal to the traveller. There may a bit more space overhead and slightly bigger overhead bins.

So there are no plans for new interiors? Still 3-3 configuration in economy? What about in business?


User currently offlineShamrock330 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5665 times:

Well don't quote me but i heard that it will still be 3-3 in economy and 3-3 in business with the middle seat blocked. The original seating plan was intended to be 3-2 in coach.

I've been in economy with Cityjet and while it is a squeeze , their overall performance was superb leaving me with a good impression and many recommendations to friends. ( Even if their prices are a bit steep!)


User currently offlineGh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5660 times:

Quoting EI787 (Reply 2):
Do you notice that in the first pic, there are two AC 744's

Two 747s? More Irish fictional stories!

The only 747s in Dublin will be Cargo, Maintenance and VIPs......and perhaps US Troops on the way to Iraq.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12322 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5618 times:

Interesting article in today's Irish Times. EI is saying to investors that the big growth area will be on short haul routes over over two hours, because this is where it believes that it has an advantage over FR; passengers will be more sensitive to service issues on longer flights (although they'll still have to pay for meals on such flights) than they would be on flights across to the UK, for example.

It seems to make sense; apparently, we can expect an announcement within the next few weeks about flights to Greece, so I guess we can also expect, next Summer, to hear about flights to Russia, Scandinavia, perhaps Turkey and Cyprus; the A320 has a transcontinental range (in US terms), so let's have a look at a range ring of 2600nm* ex DUB.

DUB&PATH-COLOR=&PATH-UNITS=mi&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=" target=_blank>http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=&...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=

The potential is certainly quite interesting - Keflavik, North Africa (Cairo, Casablanca, for example), Larnaca, Moscow/St. Petersburg, Kiev, Tel Aviv, and quite a few others.

Of course, don't expect FR to be daunted by this; they're already fighting EI on Riga and they'll be flying to Malta next year.

(*2600nm is the range I took from the database on this site, although it is based on CFM56s with 150 pax)


25 Kaitak : Has anyone been able to get into the Dublin Airport Forum? I haven't been able to get in since last night?
26 Pilot21 : Did another EI A330 go tech in ORD, or is the plane from Wednesday still stuck there? Yesterday the regular EI125 flight left DUB and arrived in ORD,
27 Kaitak : It gets worse unfortunately - have a look at the thread running on the A330 stuck in Chicago, which is running right now. Apparently, there is a 330 s
28 Pilot21 : Kaitak I just posted this on the ORD thread as well, when I looked earlier every flight was running ok, now things have changed Hang on, I think they'
29 Post contains links Legoguy : Maybe abit off the topic but the Northern Ireland International Airshow is on over this weekend in Portrush. Despite the weather looking abit poor, th
30 Kaitak : 2300 departure from SNN to BOS? Wow, that's a fun schedule! That means the return from BOS will leave at c.0200, arriving back in SNN at about 1230, g
31 Pilot21 : The SNN-BOS won't happen cos the return bit has already been cancelled, hence my feeling that they haven't hired in any extra aircraft, and the plane
32 Post contains links EI787 : Virtual Tours of the new terminal are now available!!!! http://www.dublinairportauthority.co.../media-centre/virtual_tour_t2.html Also, a very detaile
33 Pilot21 : It's not bad, but Kaitak will go nuts when he sees the current cargo area being represented as green fields in the video, and all the footage of pier
34 Smokeyrosco : I hope someone has the bright idea to build a dedicated road off of and on to the M1 for traffic. I still have no faith in this i have to say. it's to
35 Post contains links Kaitak : Interesting - the one thing that stood out for me was the cost; we're being told that the cost of the terminal is €395m, but this excludes Pier E! T
36 Smokeyrosco : Don't you know they'll throw something usless together at the last minute as they always do
37 Pilot21 : Got access to the Aero transport website, and after a bit of hunting around my suspicions on an extra A330 order by EI were correct. Apart from the 2
38 Kaitak : Interesting - and thanks for the info. That's going to be quite a significant fleet next year and it suggests that EI is more confident than it has sa
39 Pilot21 : While I completely agree that a 12yr old bird shouldn't be anywhere near retirement age, I wonder has the SNN stop-over had any effect here. Somebody
40 Kaitak : I put the rumour on the third 330 on the PPRUNE site, just to get some more info; it seems to be "warm" - and we should expect a raft of announcement
41 Pilot21 : mm..very interesting, but I'm not sure if it's in EI's best interests to go down the B777 route? They will have to fork out on crew training, hire a
42 Shamrock350 : Although I would love to see 777s in the Aer Lingus fleet, the idea of Aer Lingus introducing a whole new and very large aircraft into an all airbus
43 Kaitak : However, they may take the view that if they want to get into the cargo market in a big way, particularly on homebound flights, the 777 might be a bet
44 Post contains links Shamrock350 : In other news, Cork reaches 2 million passengers and the new Jack Lynch Executive Lounge is open to Aer Lingus Gold Circle and One World Alliance part
45 Post contains links and images Kaitak : Excel has announced its plans for its Dublin operation, to start next Summer with a single 737-800, although the airline is looking to expand. It will
46 Toulouse : EI have had problems this summer, but I'd tend to agree with what Pilot21 quoted below. Between the short hops between DUB and SNN, and the relativel
47 Humberside : In the UK at least 'mid haul' charter routes would be the likes of Egypt, (about 5-6 flying time) with Spain and Portugal being 'short haul' charter
48 Aerarann : SOURCE RTE.ie "Ryanair will launch three new routes from Dublin this February. The new destinations are to Malta, Stockholm and the Canary Islands. Th
49 Humberside : Sounds like another aircraft to be based at DUB. Any idea when FR will announce the expansion?
50 Shamrock350 : I heard that Aer Lingus will announce a service to Athens, Greece, can anyone confirm this as just a rumour or anything else?
51 Provance : Jeeze , FR are really out to get EI - they're mimicking all EI's routes - Bologna, Turin, Madrid, Berlin, Canaries. EI will have to act fast and deve
52 Shamrock350 : But Aer Lingus believe that they can do it whereas Ryanair has always said the only way to be profitable is to have many flights a day on each route
53 ABC9 : The cynic in me can't help but think this is deception on a grand scale, i.e. € 214m worth - all the coverage last week in the print and broadcast
54 Pe@rson : FR will be basing a further 3 738s at DUB this winter. FR will be operating a twice-daily frequency from DUB to CIA and SXF, while increasing DUB-AGP
55 Humberside : Are those the ones announced in August or an extra three based aircraft? The reason I ask is that the frequency increases to CIA, AGP, FAO, SXF weren
56 RyanairCRL : great news for FR.....but no so for EI. and no good news for Eirjet either. I'm sure there's gonna be some more delays. EI-DOZ (the newest one) was on
57 Kaitak : Athens is expected to be announced soon; I understand that there is a raft of announcements due in October, after privatisation, so expect DM to annou
58 Pe@rson : Yeah, those 3. Such is business.
59 EI787 : Seriously, this is going beyond a joke now: EI112 JFK - DUB due to leave New York at 1940 tonight arriving into SNN at 0700 tomorrow morning and the o
60 MRURUN : Particularly given the slackening in charter ops at this time of year, why havnt they got their sched back with use of leases?
61 EI321 : I think the sudden reliability issues may be a reflection of the effect that the Shannon stopover has on aircraft. Those A330s have nearly twice the
62 Shamrock350 : The -200s seem to be doing better than the A330-300s is this because they dont fly the Shannon stopover as much as the -300? LAX non-stop and DXB non-
63 Pilot21 : Well the 300's are that bit older as well, averaging 11-12yrs between them while the 200's are between 6-8yrs.
64 RyanairCRL : we can be happy that for the moment it seems that it's only minor problem, and that the planes just had to be grounded for service. just hope that the
65 Kaitak : They should not have to be grounded for servicing; this should be built into the schedule, or at least around it. You can hardly tell pax that "we're
66 Post contains links RyanairCRL : old 333 going tech all over...new ones being delayed...FR going straight at them with their new DUB route network and this is the latest : It's Offici
67 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : How many times is Airbus going to mess up airline plans. Aer Lingus need those A330s as soon as possible and I'm sure many of the airlines that ordere
68 Kaitak : Unfortunately, I think it's going to get an awful lot worse. What if FR started targeting investment houses/brokers which recommended EI share purchas
69 Post contains images RyanairCRL : i think that's fetching a bit too far. we don't have the aircrafts to do that. and even if he ordered some, it'd at least 10 years before we eventual
70 Pilot21 : Saw this today on PPRUNE as well, I'd be very doubtful on that rumour, especially as SQ, Lufthansa (apparently) and Qantas have all ordered A330's to
71 Shamrocka330 : What do people think is the way forward for EI - transatlantic or short haul? The figure above shows that transatlantic traffic has decreased by 4% a
72 Post contains links Legoguy : Just incase any on you Irish folk are interested, I took a trip to the |Portrush Airshow, and despite having been to airshows such as Farnborough and
73 EI321 : Ive seen tons of roumers like this on pprune over the years and none have ever actually happened. Theres no reason to believe this one. If airbus wer
74 RyanairCRL : especially with all the Airbus basher that are around, some seems to be living just for that kind of info. but even without this problem, when you se
75 Post contains images Toulouse : We're a bit touchey, aren't we today Shamrock350 Of course EI needs those a/c as soon as possible, and Airbus (as you know Shamrock350) will do their
76 Post contains links Shamrock330 : Yesterday on Pat Kenny Radio 1 there was a discussion about the floatation, with guests including none other than Dermot Mannion, a few economists and
77 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I was a bit but I seem to be fine now. It was probably the fact that I had to go to yet another exam the next day. I know Airbus are a great company
78 Kaitak : Any chance of a few bullet points of DM's comments? Did anyone else say anything remotely worthwhile? It still amazes me that people who claim to stan
79 Post contains images Pe@rson : But chances are it will be.
80 Toulouse : Hope the exams are going well. I try not to be "too" biased regarding manufacturer, despite living in Toulouse, yet I admit since joining a.net I hav
81 Post contains images Pe@rson : Just speaking the truth.   Let's have this discussion in 12 months.   It's humourous how everyone gets so worked up over it all. Anyway, I look for
82 Post contains images Toulouse : Wow, thanks Pe@rson for brigthening up my Thursday morning! I'll resist the invitation to the "EI is better than FR, no FR is better than EI..." disc
83 Post contains images Pe@rson : You're welcome. Me too. And the facts speak for themselves.
84 Post contains links Kaitak : OK, calm down guys ... look here, nice article about the Connie in today's Indo, just to remind us of yesteryear ... http://www.unison.ie/irish_indepe
85 Toulouse : Fully agree with you Kaitak, but don't worry, things are calm. Pe@arson seems to be a.nets resident FR No.1 fan and defender, and I've actually come
86 Pilot21 : Without putting too much of a dampener on proceedings, has anybody been watching the recent events between SIPTU and EI over the pension fund and the
87 ABC9 : The dreaded Letters of Comfort Pilot21 - this one could run for a bit methinks. I asked Pe@rson on another thread this week if he is actually MO'L in
88 Kaitak : Wasn't there a legal case on the whole Letter of Comfort issue, which the employees lost? I don't think it's reasonable that they should try to block
89 Kaitak : I didn't realise that Mary Harney had resigned as PD leader when I wrote the above; she didn't bother to tell me first - tsk. Anyway, it will be inter
90 MRURUN : Well, if they do follow EI around the place, opening new routes to established EI airports (instead of BVA vs CDG) it will show that (a) They fear EI
91 Kaitak : DAA CEO Declan Collier has a piece in today's Irish Times, talking about the new terminal and associated developments. He still talks about the €395
92 Toulouse : Very true and well put post MRURUN, thanks!
93 Shamrock350 : Thanks! It's almost childish and not "business" and for those who think it is are very wrong. I've never been to the Portrush Airshow but I have seen
94 Shamrock350 : This may sound like a silly question but does Ryanair TV advertise like Aer Lingus in Ireland? I have seen the recent Aer Lingus adverts showing image
95 Shamrocka330 : I'm sure somebody will correct me here but I don't recall seeing any Ryanair TV adverts in Ireland....newspapers is their preferred way - and you alwa
96 Kaitak : I've never seen them advertise on TV since they went "low cost" in the mid-1990s. I do remember, about 20 years ago, when they had BAC111s and started
97 EI321 : There has been a few basic ones in the past. Nothing exciting.
98 Shamrock350 : Thanks for the info guys! This advert was pretty basic and nothing special but it showed the size of FR in Europe, the route map that is on ryanair.co
99 EI787 : Quick question: Does EI base an A320 at SNN? The reason I ask is that the only short-haul route out of SNN with an A320 is to LHR. If they don't base
100 MRURUN : I thought the Crew Base at SNN had been, or will be, closed. As far as I'm aware the late SNN/LHR operates to DUB the following morning, while a DUB b
101 Pilot21 : I see that EI109 (DUB-JFK) and the return flight EI108 were both cancelled yesterday, obviously the A333 fleet is still acting up!
102 EI321 : Any more info on the alledged Aer Lingus lease of a third A332 from CIT next year?
103 Pilot21 : Nothing new has been posted in the ATDB system I'm afraid, but I can tell you that the 2 aircraft that EI have ordered direct will be MSN 841 for the
104 Kaitak : Still wish they'd get something with longer legs than the -301! Interesting news yesterday in the Sunday Business Post; the Dept of Transport is to ap
105 Smokeyrosco : Anyone see the FR ad in the Irish indo today?
106 Legoguy : It is definately worth a day tri up. Especially if the weather is good. If you ever do go... go to the cliff on the left as the tip of the cliff is r
107 Post contains links EI787 : http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0912/aerlingus.html?rss
108 Provance : the EI site keeps crashing all morning - whats this all about ?? A tad annoying as they're having a fantastic seat sale
109 ABC9 : Therein lies the answer I suspect - can't handle the volume of hits
110 Kaitak : Reuters is saying the price will be around EUR2.40. At least the process is now virtually irreversible. It would take a major catastrophe to stop it n
111 Post contains links EI787 : Heads-up to watch Prime Time tonight: See http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/notices.php?notice=060911-primetime for the 'exchange of letters'.
112 Post contains images Shamrock350 : New York for €99! That's really low even with taxes and charges. No what did it say! Thanks for the tip Legoguy, it sounds like something different
113 Smokeyrosco : It was taking the mick out of Mary Harney a picture of her saying she needed a break (who of course stepped down as leader of the PD's) and under it a
114 Toulouse : Just an observation, and a positive one at that regarding the DAA (wow, I must be going mad). Took EI532 to TLS this morning from Dublin, it's the fir
115 EI321 : Ryder Cup is approaching, they dont want to embarass the country so I guess they have made sure the operation is ultra organised for it. On a differe
116 Pilot21 : Have been going through DUB a bit during August, and everytime the security line was long, but moved very quickly and efficiently. I think it wasn't
117 Toulouse : Could well be. Didn't see it but saw something about it today on rte.ie. You know this yet again just furthers and deepens my personal convictions re
118 EI787 : Does anyone know why GF24 to Bahrain was delayed for almost five hours today? It was due to depart at 0955 but didn't get going till 1438! I've never
119 Kaitak : Pity for passengers making connections at BAH. I think it's probably time to start a new thread as this one is taking ages to load (for us poor souls
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