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MH Quarterly Result Saw Zurich, Rome & LA To Stay  
User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8152 times:

Malaysia Airlines managed to better its own forecast for the second time this year by reporting for the three months ended June 30, a smaller net loss of MYR 177mil versus MYR 260mil projected earlier.

Full news can be found here http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.../31/business/15296065&sec=business

In the same event, MH also announced that it will keep its Zurich, Rome and Los Angeles routes despite an earlier plan to do away with these unprofitable routes.

In fact, the airline plans to increase flights to Los Angeles and even Paris as part of its network rationalisation scheme. But it has yet to decide whether to keep its Kuala Lumpur-Stockholm-New York route that currently suffers from low load factor.

(Spoiler: The Stockholm and New York routes were (almost) confirmed to be suspended post 15 January 2007. Full thread is here) Rumor MH Closing KUL-ARN-EWR? (by Sukhoi Aug 14 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Full news can be found here http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.../31/business/15296532&sec=business

To the 'fan' of MH's KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE route, unfortunately nothing being mentioned about the 'elusive' routes, which mean it will stay in MH's network.

[Edited 2006-08-31 07:59:46]

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25540 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

I can see how the LA flight has been a loss. MH has been stuck operating via notoriously lower yield Taipei after giving up their Japan-US rights as they were unable to get additional frequencies via Narita.
In addition much of MH LAX crowd consist of also lower yield Indian subcontinent and South Asia connection passengers.

MH regretfully is one of those carriers that has a poor rap and simply fails to get the appropriate credit for its decent product it offers, and is stuck playing secondary role to neighbors such as Singapore.



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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5344 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8092 times:

Rome was already said to be incresing to 5 weekly on this forum a while back.

LAX needs to be increased to daily and possibly via a new city, how about via KIX since JAL are dropping it, no one will be left on KIX-LAX.

I've heard before that ZRH yeilds aren't bad despite the low frequency, though with the plan to increase flights to Skyteam Hubs in Europe it wouldn't surprise me if it goes eventually. They would be daily to CDG already if they had the landing rights.

So no news on FRA then.

I think they should drop CPT-EZE but maybe continue KUL-JNB and change it to a 772 and increase flights, hopefully find a codeshare partner.

How about AKL and ADL, how are they doing? Since AKL is scheduled as a 5 weekly 772 over the Southern Summer compared to a daily 744 in the past.

Any news on the fleet? They need a few more 772's, they could probably get rid of 3-4 744's.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

As far as I know there were no recent plans to axe the KUL-FCO route. As a matter of fact, when the closing of MAN and VIE was announced, the airline stated that it wanted to focus its Europe operations on LHR and the Skyteam hubs AMS, CDG and FCO. At that time, MH announced at increase of FCO frequencies to 5 weekly. However, this reinforcement has so far not materialized.

Daily flights to CDG are a natural next step for MH, and although the French Government is notoriously stingy when it comes to giving out the rights, I would expect this increase to be facilitated by a possible future entrance of MH into Skyteam which might see AF condesharing on the CDG-KUL flights.

As for ZRH and FRA, they remain oddballs in the MH European network in terms of the airline's stated policies. FRA has seen a frequency decrease from daily to 5 weekly flights. I suspect that these routes will be evaluated on their individual performance, and might stay in the network if the contribution to the overall system is deemed satisfactory.

It looks a done deal by now that the KUL-ARN-EWR route will be axed soon, and I do not believe that MH is considering to keep ARN online either. Most Scandinavian destinations can be served easily through AMS via interline and codeshare agreements with KLM.

The axing of EWR might provoke additional frequencies into LAX, which seems like the right thing to do for MH. Daily flights into LAX might improve the yields, which have been suffering since the airline reduced its offerings there and gave up the NRT stopover.


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7896 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
after giving up their Japan-US rights as they were unable to get additional frequencies via Narita.



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
which have been suffering since the airline reduced its offerings there and gave up the NRT stopover.

Why did MH gave up their Japan-US right? Yes, I remember when I was a child, MH flew to Los Angeles via Tokyo. If I could recall they also flew to Honululu at that time.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
How about AKL and ADL, how are they doing?

ADL was being mentioned in this recent thread Malaysia Airlines - Virgin Blue Signs Partnership (by OdiE Aug 28 2006 in Civil Aviation)
"Malaysia Airlines and Virgin Blue yesterday signed a comprehensive interline agreement to provide travellers with seamless connectivity between 22 Australian cities and centres. Phase one included MH's international flights departing from and arriving at Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, followed by Adelaide and Perth, MH said in a statement on Aug 29."

Based on that, I suppose ADL will remain. The routes which were not being mentioned (FRA, AKL etc) will likely to remain.

The link to the news in the thread starter also mention that MH is in the midst of setting up A LOT of code sharing agreements. Excerp from the news,

"As part of the network rationalisation plan, MH has signed code share agreements with several airlines and the issue of low load factor will gradually diminish. The recent deal with Virgin Blue is a major development between a full service carrier and a low-cost carrier and allows for interlining.

MH's CEO, Jala said “a few more partnerships are in the pipeline.’’ He is looking at a similar arrangement with Italy’s Alitalia to ferry travellers into parts of Italy and vice versa. That is part of the hub and spoke concept that Jala has for the European sector.

Jala also wants to expand the partnership into China, India and South Africa. MH was likely to partner South African Airways for the African connection and China Southern for the China connectivity, sources said.

As for India, the ideal partner appears to be Jet Airways, a promising airline. But present regulations in India do not permit such an arrangement."

So basically, MH has made it public that it intended to sign a code share agreements with Alitalia, South African Airlines, China Southern Airlines and India's Jet Airways. Two days ago, a same agreement with Australia's Virgin Blue was realised.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
Any news on the fleet? They need a few more 772's, they could probably get rid of 3-4 744's.

In their inflight magazine, Going Places, the July issue stated they have 17 744s. In the August issue, the number was reduced to only 13. So there's 4 744s being pulled off from the fleet. Not sure if it was a typo.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7833 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 4):
"Malaysia Airlines and Virgin Blue yesterday signed a comprehensive interline agreement to provide travellers with seamless connectivity between 22 Australian cities and centres. Phase one included MH's international flights departing from and arriving at Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, followed by Adelaide and Perth, MH said in a statement on Aug 29."

Based on that, I suppose ADL will remain.

Not necessarily.
As I mentioned to you in another thread, don't believe everything you read.

While I'm not sure on the financial return of ADL services (i'm guessing loss making since SQ went daily, CX went to 4pw and QF went non-stop ADL-SIN),
geography and connectivity elsewhere may work against ADL.

Unlike MEL which is the hub for Tasmania, Canberra and Adelaide,, and Sydney which is hub for Canberra and Brisbane, Adelaide actually presents NO interlining options for DJ-MH.

Adelaide could be served as a one stop from KUL 34 times pw over BNE, SYD and MEL alone..


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25540 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7639 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 4):
Why did MH gave up their Japan-US right? Yes, I remember when I was a child, MH flew to Los Angeles via Tokyo

If I remember correctly, they were limited to either 3 or 4 weekly frequencies.

In a quest to offer daily LA service they had to find another point, at which time the TPE stop came into being.
Its certainly arguable they could have been better off keeping the Japan frequencies and only operate the additional flights via Taiwan, but they instead chose to run all flights via TPE.

The problem with Taiwan is that they go up against both EVA Air and China Airlines along with Singapore which routes a daily flight via TPE. There is often very heavy discounting in the market particularly in premium classes. MH due to its weaker brand awareness seems to always come last in peoples choice and often gets stuck with low yielding transfer traffic to places such as India on its LA services.

Speaking of old routes, some might remember MH used to also serve Mexico City via LAX. It was certainly a funny sight to see MH operate a low frequency 744 in a market that was dominated by narrow body carriers offering dozens of daily flights.



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User currently offlineVincewy From Taiwan, joined Oct 2005, 767 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7604 times:

Can MH reroute its LAX flight through PVG? Else another optoin is KIX

User currently offlineXA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7589 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
Malaysia Airlines managed to better its own forecast for the second time this year

Very happy to hear that MAS is on the way to achieve its turnaround. However, I believe there are still some operations that carefully need to be reviewed. The carrier´s management needs to clearly convey the message to the Malaysian government: MAS has to arrive to profitability ASAP and by all means !... It is war out there in the fields of the industry !

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 4):
Why did MH gave up their Japan-US right? Yes, I remember when I was a child, MH flew to Los Angeles via Tokyo

If I remember correctly, they were limited to either 3 or 4 weekly frequencies.

Well not only that. The Narita flights were limited to the sale of a certain number of seats per annum ex LAX and v v. You can imagine how costly it became for MAS to sustain this operation. MH held to Tokyo merely to retain the very valuable slots it had at Narita.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
Speaking of old routes, some might remember MH used to also serve Mexico City via LAX. It was certainly a funny sight to see MH operate a low frequency 744 in a market that was dominated by narrow body carriers offering dozens of daily flights.

I agree it was a low frequency, but I don´t agree in the part about being a funny sight. In the beginning it was a very hard flight to sell. Just when the MEX-LAX-MEX sectors had outperformed LAX-TYO v v in terms of generated revenue, and arrived to their break even point, the Mexican government terminates 5th freedom rights and kills MAS Mexico operations.

Flights in EYCL on the MEX-LAX run were observing a 90% PLF with 100% of cargo capacity taken, when in 2000 the carrier was forced out of this complicated market.

Best regards

P.S. We were always pushing for a third frequency that could have made our lives a lot easier at MAS , but the Mexican authorities never went for it.

[Edited 2006-08-31 17:20:57]


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7565 times:

9MMAR, any idea what the status of their twice weekly KUL-CAI-KUL B772 flights? Is the route profitable? Wouldn't 3x weekly A330 flights offering greater flexibility without overcapacity? MH have an edge over other Asian carriers serving CAI since their service is non-stop (SQ and KE flights route via DXB)

Also what's the make-up on these flights? I know their are many Malaysian students studying in Cairo and I know more Egyptians are visiting Kuala Lumpur for holidays, however I can't see how those 2 markets can sustain an operation unless there is something I'm missing.

Horus



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User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7503 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
Speaking of old routes, some might remember MH used to also serve Mexico City via LAX.

Yes, I remember it. I think it was somewhere in 1990, at that time MH is busy promoting two of its newest routes, Mexico City and Madrid, both of which were no longer in their network.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
Its certainly arguable they could have been better off keeping the Japan frequencies and only operate the additional flights via Taiwan,

If only one could turn back time.

Quoting Vincewy (Reply 7):
Can MH reroute its LAX flight through PVG? Else another optoin is KIX

I think this is where the 5th freedom right will take in place. Not all country can simply grant it to a foreign airline whislt each have their own flag carriers.

Quoting XA744 (Reply 8):
Just when the MEX-LAX-MEX sectors had outperformed LAX-TYO v v in terms of generated revenue, and arrived to their break even point, the Mexican government terminates 5th freedom rights and kills MAS Mexico operations.

I see. I have no idea about it. Thank you for the information. Do you somehow related with MH's operation in Mexico?

Quoting Horus (Reply 9):
any idea what the status of their twice weekly KUL-CAI-KUL B772 flights?

Horus, unfortunately I have no information about it. But I suppose for those routes which are not in the 'radar', they can be considered as safe and are likely to remain in MH's network. Cairo must be an important route as MH sent their 772 there. Even DXB is served by 330.


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 10):
Cairo must be an important route as MH sent their 772 there. Even DXB is served by 330.

I do not understand how a route that is operated with a mere twice weekly frequency can possibly be called important. If it were important, wouldn't MH rush to add frequencies? Sure enough, DXB is served with the A330, but does the deployment of a smaller aircraft represent smaller importance? Both the A330 and the B772 are 2-class aircraft, and CAI is served twice weekly whereas DXB receives 5 weekly flights. I think DXB is quite a bit more meaningful than CAI.

With regard to routes like CAI, IST and EZE, which are served twice weekly, I find it surprising that, in these days of increasing importance of reinforced frequencies in order to capture all important premium traffic, such routes could possibly be financially sustainable. Yet, MH apparently can make it work. Wouldn't they be better of to seek some interline or codeshare deal in the Middle East, whereby MH would fly to some gateway with acceptable frequency and subsequently route its passengers via this gateway to other Middle Eastern destinations.

Incidentally, whatever happened to the twice weekly BEY flights? Last thing I heard was that the route would be temporarily relocated to DAM, but nothing is to be found in the reservation systems, and also BEY seems to be off the schedule for the next season.


User currently offlineOdie From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7356 times:

Cairo, Istanbul, Dubai, Beirut, Stockholm, New York, and even Frankfurt are the last few destinations that are currently being reviewed by MH. It’s safe to say that Stockholm and New York are done with, unless they plan to re-route either these destinations via another city. Zurich is probably a high yield destination for MH as it is one of the first few destinations to receive NSD aircraft/service continuously. I would imagine that Zurich will be profitable if MH increases its frequencies to Zurich and attract more premium passengers on this route.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
With regard to routes like CAI, IST and EZE, which are served twice weekly, I find it surprising that, in these days of increasing importance of reinforced frequencies in order to capture all important premium traffic, such routes could possibly be financially sustainable.

I don’t think these routes are financially sustainable. The cost, especially crew cost, for operating twice weekly flights to Buenos Aires, Cairo and Istanbul is astronomical.


User currently offlineEconojetter From Malaysia, joined May 2001, 430 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
Daily flights to CDG are a natural next step for MH, and although the French Government is notoriously stingy when it comes to giving out the rights, I would expect this increase to be facilitated by a possible future entrance of MH into Skyteam which might see AF condesharing on the CDG-KUL flights.

Again I question, is MH still being blocked from flying daily into CDG? I recall (and iirc Odie also brought this up a few threads ago) that MH had 6x weekly in the system at some point (before the SARS outbreak in 2003?) but never actually flew the 6th frequency? Also, having AF codeshare on a daily MH-operated service before seeing AF metal in KUL makes sense, SkyTeam membership or not.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
It looks a done deal by now that the KUL-ARN-EWR route will be axed soon, and I do not believe that MH is considering to keep ARN online either. Most Scandinavian destinations can be served easily through AMS via interline and codeshare agreements with KLM.

I would guess that demand at the ARN station is very seasonal. Could MH consider running seasonal ARN-KUL charters?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 3):
The axing of EWR might provoke additional frequencies into LAX, which seems like the right thing to do for MH. Daily flights into LAX might improve the yields, which have been suffering since the airline reduced its offerings there and gave up the NRT stopover.

Even a daily LAX service would likely be an uphill task in a field that is already very crowded. Again, I think a MH-KE transpacific co-operation is worth exploring, and should help the case for SkyTeam membership.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
deployment of a smaller aircraft represent smaller importance? Both the A330 and the B772 are 2-class aircraft, and CAI is served twice weekly whereas DXB receives 5 weekly flights. I think DXB is quite a bit more meaningful than CAI

I guess the B772, when possible, would be chosen for routes that are considered more 'premium.' That said, CAI doesn't really come across as a station that sees a lot of business traffic. DXB does indeed seem meaningful, but MH has EK to contend with on that route. It seems noteworthy that after quite a number of years flying into KUL, EK's frequency is only at 9x weekly and there is no shortage of capacity (nice DXB hub analysis, by the way, HB-IWC).

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
possibly be financially sustainable. Yet, MH apparently can make it work. Wouldn't they be better of to seek some interline or codeshare deal in the Middle East, whereby MH would fly to some gateway with acceptable frequency and subsequently route its passengers via this gateway to other Middle Eastern destinations.

Hopefully, the new GF-codeshare will expand to address this in the future. BAH and MCT seem to be behind and weaker as hubs, compared to DXB, DOH and AUH, but a possibility nonetheless.

Quoting Odie (Reply 12):
these destinations via another city. Zurich is probably a high yield destination for MH as it is one of the first few destinations to receive NSD aircraft/service continuously. I would imagine that Zurich will be profitable if MH increases its frequencies to Zurich and attract more premium passengers on this route.

That's what I noticed as well. But then again, ZRH could be a favorite child due to some other reasons. What an unfortunate time for MH's European routes to suffer. In the good old days, MH had to worry mostly about SQ and TG. Today, there are additonal big and growing traffic hoovers - EK and QR - in the way.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 10):
Horus, unfortunately I have no information about it. But I suppose for those routes which are not in the 'radar', they can be considered as safe and are likely to remain in MH's network. Cairo must be an important route as MH sent their 772 there. Even DXB is served by 330.



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
Both the A330 and the B772 are 2-class aircraft, and CAI is served twice weekly whereas DXB receives 5 weekly flights. I think DXB is quite a bit more meaningful than CAI.



Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
With regard to routes like CAI, IST and EZE, which are served twice weekly, I find it surprising that, in these days of increasing importance of reinforced frequencies in order to capture all important premium traffic, such routes could possibly be financially sustainable. Yet, MH apparently can make it work. Wouldn't they be better of to seek some interline or codeshare deal in the Middle East, whereby MH would fly to some gateway with acceptable frequency and subsequently route its passengers via this gateway to other Middle Eastern destinations.



Quoting Odie (Reply 12):
I don't think these routes are financially sustainable. The cost, especially crew cost, for operating twice weekly flights to Buenos Aires, Cairo and Istanbul is astronomical.



Quoting Econojetter (Reply 13):
I guess the B772, when possible, would be chosen for routes that are considered more 'premium.' That said, CAI doesn't really come across as a station that sees a lot of business traffic. DXB does indeed seem meaningful, but MH has EK to contend with on that route. It seems noteworthy that after quite a number of years flying into KUL, EK's frequency is only at 9x weekly and there is no shortage of capacity (nice DXB hub analysis, by the way, HB-IWC).

Well it's interesting to read the different accounts of how CAI is doing. It would be unfortunate for them to discontinue CAI because I think MH can make the route work if they aggressively market their non-stop Asian service (and consequently one-stop service to Australia). I must admit the use of the B777 as opposed to the A330 is a good sign but 3x weekly A330 flights would work better (both SQ(B773) and KE(A333) offer 3x weekly flights). Egyptair themselves were to launch KUL flights back in 2002. Flights were to start 09JUL02 operating CAI-KUL-SYD using A340s on Tuesdays and Fridays however the drop in passenger numbers following 9/11 followed by the SARS outbreak and Iraq War meant it never materialised. It does indicate the market is there though.


Horus



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User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7184 times:

I hope AKL does not go. MH are well respected here and they do offer such an amazing product. Unfortunately, like someone said earlier here in the thread, MH is over-shadowed by neighbour carriers like SQ and CX. The main thing MH need to do to get theirselves out there and more known, is to join an alliance. Skyteam would be good, but Oneworld should not be overlooked.

User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7152 times:

Quoting Econojetter (Reply 13):
Even a daily LAX service would likely be an uphill task in a field that is already very crowded. Again, I think a MH-KE transpacific co-operation is worth exploring, and should help the case for SkyTeam membership.



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 15):
is to join an alliance. Skyteam would be good, but Oneworld should not be overlooked.

but what if the big wigs at AF continue to say NON?

MH is already poising itself to become invaluable to Skyteam.

MH already code-shares on a variety of routes with KL. MH also code-shares with KE on the Malaysia-Seoul routes. I gather NW codes are also applied on some MH routes now.

As the latest reports suggest - Alitalia, Jet and China Southern code-shares are in the pipeline.

If you ask me MH is certainly looking for a back-door entrance into Skyteam which would see AF caving in to the demands of its fellow members to make MH their SEAsian link in the network - which does still remain a void at Skyteam...


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7095 times:
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MAS should concentrate on flying to the US West Coast. Flying to New York has been in vain for prestige. I think MAS should invest in 772LR and fly to LAX NONSTOP from KUL. Then the next stop should be SFO.

User currently offlineMH1402 From Malaysia, joined Jun 2006, 123 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6866 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 4):
In their inflight magazine, Going Places, the July issue stated they have 17 744s. In the August issue, the number was reduced to only 13. So there's 4 744s being pulled off from the fleet. Not sure if it was a typo.

It's ironic when Going Places says MH has only 13 B747 while MH website still show 17 B747, 17 B777, even 5 Twin Otter and 10 Fokker 50 as of August 10. 2006.



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User currently offlineOdiE From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6844 times:

Quoting MH1402 (Reply 18):
It's ironic when Going Places says MH has only 13 B747 while MH website still show 17 B747, 17 B777, even 5 Twin Otter and 10 Fokker 50 as of August 10. 2006.

MH is incapable of updating their website. They still haven't upload the new B772 and B744 configuration. Nothing new there.


User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6493 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
I think they should drop CPT-EZE

Because..? Reasons, explanation, numbers?



usadreamliner


User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6157 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 11):
I do not understand how a route that is operated with a mere twice weekly frequency can possibly be called important. If it were important, wouldn't MH rush to add frequencies? Sure enough, DXB is served with the A330, but does the deployment of a smaller aircraft represent smaller importance? Both the A330 and the B772 are 2-class aircraft, and CAI is served twice weekly whereas DXB receives 5 weekly flights. I think DXB is quite a bit more meaningful than CAI.

I give my comment based on my point of view as a pessenger. MH's 772s were sent to 'important' routes like Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Europe. 330/2s were sent to less important (or maybe less glamourous I should say) like India, South Asia, Middle East (except for Jeddah and Cairo), South East Asia and some Chinese routes. MH would never sent their 330/332 to ADL or KIX for instance. It is a well known fact that 330/332s are less superior aircraft in term of product offerings. No ptvs, no IFE like in 772s and such. That's why when they sent their 772s to Cairo, I regard the route as important. They are the sole player on the route. MH is not a big player in the DXB-KUL route. EK conquers the market with their 9x per week service in 772/3s. MH offers 3x non stop per week and 2x per week with a stop over in Karachi, all on the 330/2s.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 21):
I give my comment based on my point of view as a pessenger. MH's 772s were sent to 'important' routes like Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Europe. 330/2s were sent to less important (or maybe less glamourous I should say) like India, South Asia, Middle East (except for Jeddah and Cairo), South East Asia and some Chinese routes. MH would never sent their 330/332 to ADL or KIX for instance. It is a well known fact that 330/332s are less superior aircraft in term of product offerings. No ptvs, no IFE like in 772s and such. That's why when they sent their 772s to Cairo, I regard the route as important. They are the sole player on the route. MH is not a big player in the DXB-KUL route. EK conquers the market with their 9x per week service in 772/3s. MH offers 3x non stop per week and 2x per week with a stop over in Karachi, all on the 330/2s.

Your A330/B772 argument seems to make sense if the product difference is that wide. And as you said none of MH's 5x weekly DXB flights are dedicated to the UAE market; 2 stop in KHI and 3 used to continue to BEY and soon DAM if A.net rumours are anything to go by. 9MMAR, in your personal opinion do you think CAI flights are safe for the foreseeable future?


Horus



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5993 times:

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 21):
It is a well known fact that 330/332s are less superior aircraft in term of product offerings. No ptvs, no IFE like in 772s and such.

The A332s are ex Sabena and Swissair aircraft and do offer PTVs and a 60 inch seat pitch, which is much roomier than the A333s which were originally delivered to MH.

As for the CAI route, the point remains that MH cannot possibly be capturing a lot of premium traffic on that route. A twice weekly service will simply not cut the cake to attract any frequency sensitive front cabin traffic.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5954 times:

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 23):
As for the CAI route, the point remains that MH cannot possibly be capturing a lot of premium traffic on that route. A twice weekly service will simply not cut the cake to attract any frequency sensitive front cabin traffic.

Not identical but certain Europe-Africa services (e.g CDG-LAD) lack frequency but are very lucrative. If demand on the route is high and capacity limited then this will drive up the average fare, even in Y (e.g. EK recently substituted some of their low-density 777 flights to CAI for high-density versions (i.e.loss of some premium cabin seats) because yields in Y were very high). I'm almost certain MH are restricted due to the Malaysia/Egypt bilateral agreement however this could be rectified if they agree to codeshare with MS on the route.


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25 Post contains images Robbie86 : Maybee they can change KUL-ARN-EWR to KUL-ARN-LAX?
26 ZK-NBT : Because low frequency and they could find a codeshare partner. I seriously doubt that it is profitable and a 2 stop service from KUL wouldn't be that
27 HB-IWC : The situation for flights to LAD, where it is impossible for the airlines involved to add frequencies because of government restrictions - AF, BA and
28 Post contains links 9MMAR : MH has already diverted its 3x per week KUL-DXB-BEY to DAM in July. I have posted a thread about this, which can be found here http://www.airliners.n
29 9MMAR : But that's in C class. If you do some search, there's a lot of negative comments about it as it didn't up to MH's reputation. I think they do not off
30 Zkpilot : I talked to a MH AKL rep today and they said that dropping down to 772 was the best thing that had happened to the route cost-wise and that 5x weekly
31 Laxintl : MH be nuts routing LAX over Europe. Routing ARN would be significantly a longer route then the current service via Taipei. KUL-TPE-LAX 8811mi KUL-ARN
32 XA744 : I concur. Both, Pax´s fatigue and aircraft utilization issues would never permit it !!! Best regards
33 Econojetter : The leased A330-200 (ex-SR, SN) airframes do have PTV in economy. The A330-300 (both leased and PMB-owned) airframes do not have PTV. Student traffic
34 HB-IWC : I think you are talking about the A333s, most of which were originally delivered to MH. The A332s, all originating at Swissair and Sabena, feature PT
35 Econojetter : And its application for membership would be much more persuasive if it would drop ZRH, FRA and utilize KLM connections via AMS. Likewise, LAX could b
36 ZK-NBT : Well I don't think there is much demand for F for MH to AKL so a 2 class 772 is fine though overall last year the daily 744's were very full so i'd n
37 9MMAR : Right. It's MH's 330. How about the Umrah bound travellers? It was all year round and CAI is definitely a popular destination for Ziarah, before or a
38 HB-IWC : Unfortunately?! While I have absolutely no problem that you restrict yourself to eating Halal food, you should not even consider to impose that on ot
39 Laxintl : Well instead of integrating with more Skyteam airlines or at least US partners, Delta announced that MH will no longer be a member of its Skymiles pro
40 Post contains images MH1402 : On the contrary Indonesia and Malaysia are Muslim countries. They have always been Muslim countries. In both country's Constitution also says both a
41 Post contains links 9MMAR : My oh my... The plaguing problem I meant is that 'a Muslim flying on SQ not knowing he/she had consumed non halal food onboard - much to the fact beca
42 HB-IWC : At least for Indonesia, where I currently work and live, the Constitution does not mention that the country is a Muslim State. It mentions a belief i
43 9MMAR : That is what I meant. I'll PM you about this matter. Again as I mentioned, it is not what I meant. If I were to make the statement, i.e. to discredit
44 777way : Newark and Stockholm being dropped from January.
45 Econojetter : I didn't know that. Are there other popular Ziarah destinations besides CAI? Are these high yielding fares or does MH offer a substantial discount fo
46 Bkkair : Sadly, 777way is correct. ARN & EWR are dropped. The availability in Amadeus has been zeroed out. I'm sure it was not an easy decision to drop a major
47 9MMAR : Yes, some other popular destinations are Istanbul and Amman (usually a destination where there are a lot of Islamic historical sites). Almost all Umr
48 Econojetter : Interesting information, thanks. I just read over at the Malaysian forums that CAI is going to be dropped early 2007, or at least there are such indi
49 Lutfi : Heh, I used to live in Indonesia, and am Muslim. And I used to eat and drink during the day during Ramadhan. If I want to be a bad muslim, that is bet
50 HB-IWC : I got it confirmed today straight from the horse's mouth that KUL-CAI will be suspended effective November 01. The last CAI departure will be MH158 o
51 ZKNBX : can someone please clarify the new configuration of MH 772 & 744 and confirm whether 772 is still 2+5+2?
52 TristarSteve : Yes B772 is 2 5 2
53 777way : Very curious to know more about this but your have withheld contact.
54 Horus : Disappointing to say the least but if it's a loss-making route then it's a sensible decision. Egyptair will now be the only carrier to offer non-stop
55 Post contains images 9MMAR : I have to check with Tabung Haji first. This may freak out some conservative depositors if they found out. Unlike PNB managed funds (the Amanah Saham
56 Horus : Well it's disappointing Egypt (largest Arab country) won't have links to South East Asia's 2 largest Muslim (or Muslim-majority) countries; Malaysia
57 ZK-NBT : Well CDG is now loaded as a daily 772 from October 28 2006. Also LAX is now loaded as 6 weekly 744's from October 28th 2006.
58 9MMAR : Now it's been officially announced. Malaysia Airlines has strengthened its international network by realigning its flight schedules to match aircraft
59 Post contains links LIPZ : MAS Eyes More Code-Sharing Partners KUALA LUMPUR, Sept 12 (Bernama) -- Malaysia Airlines (MAS), which will continue to make Zurich and Rome as its key
60 Post contains links LIPZ : MASkargo Sees RM60 Mln Revenue Reduction From Route Revamp From Farazira Amira Yusof CALGARY, Sept 14 (Bernama) - Malaysia Airlines Cargo Sdn Bhd (MAS
61 9MMAR : Apparently there is a news from New York relating to MH's suspension of Stockholm and New York. An interesting news. Concern over plan to discontinue
62 6thfreedom : Yep, a fatal decision! gimme a break... i can see MH going bankrupt by cutting this route! yeah right!
63 9MMAR : Looks like MH is following its "business" instict. Stockholm and New York will be axed together with Cairo. It's official.
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